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Yoop is a veritable Rodgers Excuse Machine. 14 years as a starter at the most impactful position in football, and for 13 of those years, someone else than Rodgers blew it. Not even once could he have done anything better... Everyone else should be held accountable, he should be automatically pardoned.
Take your pills.
I was new to football in the last years of Favre, so am I wrong at recalling that Favre didn't have an excuse for every playoff loss like AR seems to have? I think there were years he didn't have the best coaching or the best WR corps in the league, but I don't remember there being a "yoop" in his corner, who would not place even a milligram of accountability on Favre. There were fervent Favre fans, but even they called bad throws bad throws.
GREEN BAY, Wis. – The Green Bay Packers signed one of the four players they worked out this week but it wasn’t receiver John Brown.
Instead, according to a team source, they signed tight end Sal Cannella, who recently was selected to the all-USFL team.
Listed by the New Orleans Breakers as 6-foot-5 and 230 pounds, he ranked sixth overall and first among tight ends in the USFL with 34 receptions, which he turned into 368 yards and two touchdowns.
Cannella played at Auburn from 2017 through 2019 and caught 25 passes during those three seasons. He went undrafted and unsigned in 2020. He was selected in the 34th round of the USFL Draft.
only because he's the first blamed around here for not winning PO games, and all you people do is defend the receivers and blame Rodgers every time one is open Rodgers didn't see, and it was the same with Favre, who actually did blow it big time in PO losses, again whether you care to believe it or not, I don't care, Rodgers has needed more help then he's been given, and has played well enough for us to have won a lot of PO games we've lost.salmar80 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2022 09:26Yoop is a veritable Rodgers Excuse Machine. 14 years as a starter at the most impactful position in football, and for 13 of those years, someone else than Rodgers blew it. Not even once could he have done anything better... Everyone else should be held accountable, he should be automatically pardoned.
I sure hope I'll someday find a wife that will similarly blame any lack of success of mine on ANYTHING else but on me.
you call me out for defending a couple QB's that are and will be remembered as two of the very best we've ever had, I defend these people because I know how difficult it is to be a great NFL QB , you and the other dweebs here look for any excuse to expose any fault they've had, as though others don't have short comings, people just like you hated Favre in the end just as they do Rodgers and blame him for every loss.salmar80 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2022 10:35I was new to football in the last years of Favre, so am I wrong at recalling that Favre didn't have an excuse for every playoff loss like AR seems to have? I think there were years he didn't have the best coaching or the best WR corps in the league, but I don't remember there being a "yoop" in his corner, who would not place even a milligram of accountability on Favre. There were fervent Favre fans, but even they called bad throws bad throws.
Even tho Favre had bad games in some of the losses, he sure was loved and revered, as is Rodgers. I just don't think AR needs the excuses. He's a fantastic QB, a generational talent. No one blames the playoff losses all on him. Many just wish he had better games at a few crucial moments.
My point is that with Nick Collins, we wouldn't have had a historically bad defense. It obviously was not going to be top 5 (pretty sure I stated that already) but it wasn't going to be number 32. And it most likely would have been good enough to keep the Giants well under what they put up at Lambeau in the Divisional Round and would have given us a much better chance to win even with some of the offensive gaffes.Yoop wrote: ↑20 Jul 2022 17:19we had the 32nd ranked defense in the league, even the all pro Nick Collins couldn't fix that.Acrobat wrote: ↑20 Jul 2022 11:22Right, but you could argue that 2 of the Giants' TD's may not have happened if we had one of the best safeties in Packers history back there. Could have completely changed the course of that game and not forced the Packers to be so one dimensional in the 2nd half.Yoop wrote: ↑20 Jul 2022 10:43
It wasn't just Collins or the defenses, we couldn't over come cover two coverage, we didn't have a running attack,so pass rushers didn't have to worry about us running, no short up tempo schemes, Rodgers had to sit and wait for the deep routes to open, which they rarely did, and the Giants pass rush was to good, he had to scramble or take the sack, we had a one dimensional offense.
We won 15 games on the strength of our deep strike passing attack, I don't know what the ranking of ST's was that year ( probably at best average) the defense sucked and we didn't run the ball, our team was considered over rated and 1 dimensional.
Change Canella to Manella and he has the best name in sports.salmar80 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2022 10:40In actual Packers News, here's Sal breaking the news that we have signed Sal!
TE Sal Cannella
Must be the first time ever the Packers have signed a 34th round pick
SI.com:GREEN BAY, Wis. – The Green Bay Packers signed one of the four players they worked out this week but it wasn’t receiver John Brown.
Instead, according to a team source, they signed tight end Sal Cannella, who recently was selected to the all-USFL team.
Listed by the New Orleans Breakers as 6-foot-5 and 230 pounds, he ranked sixth overall and first among tight ends in the USFL with 34 receptions, which he turned into 368 yards and two touchdowns.
Cannella played at Auburn from 2017 through 2019 and caught 25 passes during those three seasons. He went undrafted and unsigned in 2020. He was selected in the 34th round of the USFL Draft.
Funnily your attitude reminds me of Superman.Yoop wrote: ↑21 Jul 2022 10:58you call me out for defending a couple QB's that are and will be remembered as two of the very best we've ever had, I defend these people because I know how difficult it is to be a great NFL QB , you and the other dweebs here look for any excuse to expose any fault they've had, as though others don't have short comings, people just like you hated Favre in the end just as they do Rodgers and blame him for every loss.salmar80 wrote: ↑21 Jul 2022 10:35I was new to football in the last years of Favre, so am I wrong at recalling that Favre didn't have an excuse for every playoff loss like AR seems to have? I think there were years he didn't have the best coaching or the best WR corps in the league, but I don't remember there being a "yoop" in his corner, who would not place even a milligram of accountability on Favre. There were fervent Favre fans, but even they called bad throws bad throws.
Even tho Favre had bad games in some of the losses, he sure was loved and revered, as is Rodgers. I just don't think AR needs the excuses. He's a fantastic QB, a generational talent. No one blames the playoff losses all on him. Many just wish he had better games at a few crucial moments.
I called out Favre and also Rodgers, what I wont do is cave to opinions from people like you.
I tend to agree with this. I understand the desire to have an offense that is built to run the ball in cold weather. But it couldn't have hurt to have a WR besides Adams that could get some separation. My impression of Lazard has always been that he has good hands but isn't very good at getting open. Too many of his highlights are Rodgers threading a tiny needle, which is extra hard to do in subzero temps.Yoop wrote: ↑21 Jul 2022 08:49last years SF loss should make this obvious to all, we had a great defense and lost because we ran out of skill position players, go ahead and blame it on one missed pass to Lazard, Lewis fumble or any other issue ( sucky ST's) that tend to happen in every game, ya overcome short comings like that when ya have more then just a couple good receivers, specially when one of em is your RB.
Rodgers can't throw and also run down and catch his passes, why don't you actually rewatch our 2021 loss, 5 or 6 dropped passes, Rodgers can't run the routes for these jag receivers, he can't block for Oliners who can't, yet all I here from YOU and others is how Rodgers missed a open Lazard, or took a sack, or any number of mis cues that happen to every other QB on a weekly basis.Labrev wrote: ↑21 Jul 2022 11:19Nobody here is saying Rodgers is 100% to blame for any given loss; it's a team sport. We know this.
Yet the reality is, the QB position has outsized importance and has more of a hand in losses (and wins, by the way) than any other.
If anyone is guilty of not appreciating this, it would be the Rodgers Defense Force.
yep, unless you have about 3 skill position players that a DC has to game plan to stop, the good ones you do have will be blanketed with double coverage, it actually does become a numbers thing, most teams play nickel or dime against us, thats 5 DB's to our Adams, Jones and the jags, sure we can blame Rodgers for being selective, but theres a reason for that, he doesn't fully trust the others to do there part.Captain_Ben wrote: ↑21 Jul 2022 11:36I tend to agree with this. I understand the desire to have an offense that is built to run the ball in cold weather. But it couldn't have hurt to have a WR besides Adams that could get some separation. My impression of Lazard has always been that he has good hands but isn't very good at getting open. Too many of his highlights are Rodgers threading a tiny needle, which is extra hard to do in subzero temps.Yoop wrote: ↑21 Jul 2022 08:49last years SF loss should make this obvious to all, we had a great defense and lost because we ran out of skill position players, go ahead and blame it on one missed pass to Lazard, Lewis fumble or any other issue ( sucky ST's) that tend to happen in every game, ya overcome short comings like that when ya have more then just a couple good receivers, specially when one of em is your RB.
I'm starting to believe that the teams most likely to win Super Bowls are those which are void of any obvious weaknesses to be exploited. It's not as much about having one or two position groups that are dominant forces (sure it helps), but just don't have any group that sucks. Our WR corps sucked and we paid the price.
well it's the GM's fault then for not trading him, urrrrr
I have such a slam-dunk response to this but now it's getting to feel a bit excessive.Yoop wrote: ↑21 Jul 2022 11:39Rodgers can't throw and also run down and catch his passes, why don't you actually rewatch our 2021 loss, 5 or 6 dropped passes, Rodgers can't run the routes for these jag receivers, he can't block for Oliners who can't, yet all I here from YOU and others is how Rodgers missed a open Lazard, or took a sack, or any number of mis cues that happen to every other QB on a weekly basis.Labrev wrote: ↑21 Jul 2022 11:19Nobody here is saying Rodgers is 100% to blame for any given loss; it's a team sport. We know this.
Yet the reality is, the QB position has outsized importance and has more of a hand in losses (and wins, by the way) than any other.
If anyone is guilty of not appreciating this, it would be the Rodgers Defense Force.
I hope I'am around for post Rodgers, if you think you have something to whine about now, just what, it aint going to get better, what the Packers have are a bunch of spoiled fans, I actually was hoping we'd trade him, I may not be around long enough to hear all the wailing
Labrev wrote: ↑21 Jul 2022 12:29Yoop wrote: ↑21 Jul 2022 11:39I have such a slam-dunk response to this but now it's getting to feel a bit excessive.Labrev wrote: ↑21 Jul 2022 11:19Nobody here is saying Rodgers is 100% to blame for any given loss; it's a team sport. We know this.
Yet the reality is, the QB position has outsized importance and has more of a hand in losses (and wins, by the way) than any other.
If anyone is guilty of not appreciating this, it would be the Rodgers Defense Force.
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Rodgers can't throw and also run down and catch his passes, why don't you actually rewatch our 2021 loss, 5 or 6 dropped passes, Rodgers can't run the routes for these jag receivers, he can't block for Oliners who can't, yet all I here from YOU and others is how Rodgers missed a open Lazard, or took a sack, or any number of mis cues that happen to every other QB on a weekly basis.
I hope I'am around for post Rodgers, if you think you have something to whine about now, just what, it aint going to get better, what the Packers have are a bunch of spoiled fans, I actually was hoping we'd trade him, I may not be around long enough to hear all the wailing
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whats excessive is blaming Rodgers for every PO loss, It's ignorant to say the importance of his position requires him to play perfect on every play, but thats what you and other here do, all to defend the ignorant bs thats went on here at the WR position for half a freaking decade
laugh now, cry later.