I just love Steve Smith. Loved him as a player. Love him as an analyst. Love him for his honesty and willingness to speak his truth.
Agreed. I love watching him on the NFLN. Honestly I think the NFLN does a really good job with game broadcasting. They seem to try new things and not the old way of broadcasting.
And Steve Smith is such a great asset to that. Their pre-game, halftime and post-game are just on a another level compared to the Network Television broadcasts. (I'm looking at you FOX)
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2023
Posted: 12 Oct 2023 21:39
by lupedafiasco
Steve Smith is a true alpha. Just call a bitch a bitch and go on about your day. It’s hard to do that now a days without other betas defending other betas.
You're right, I forgot the Panthers traded away next year's first round pick to the Bears. That's one more reason they won't be buyers at the trade deadline though.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2023
Posted: 15 Oct 2023 09:13
by Yoop
not sure if others saw this, I know it was talked about some, Peters did get a fine for the horse collar TD saving tackle, imo Watson should have been awarded the TD, course my bias and that we probably/may have won the game sticks out like a sore thumb, short so I brought all of it.
Marcus Peters is fined $13,378
Raiders defensive back Marcus Peters will surely consider the $13,378 money well spent.
That was the price of the fine for pulling Packers receiver Christian Watson down from behind with a horse-collar tackle, as Watson was heading for the end zone on what would have been a long touchdown that would have given his team a 17-10 lead.
Peters drew a foul for the maneuver, which moved the ball from the six to the three for Green Bay. After the game, Raiders coach Josh McDaniels praised Peters for making a "really smart play."
The Packers did not score a touchdown, settling instead for a field goal. And the final score was 17-13, Raiders.
There's a separate question as to whether it would be smart for the league to make it clear that, in such situations, a touchdown will be awarded. The horse-collar tackle entails very real safety risks; that's why it was prohibited nearly 20 years ago.
Does the NFL want teams to tell defensive players than, when all else fails, pull the offensive player down by the back of his collar, even if it results in a broken leg?
It's unclear whether the league will prioritize this subject for offseason discussions regarding potential rule changes. If the league truly cares about player safety, it will at least have the conversation. If the league's concern for keeping players safe is just lip service and/or window dressing, it won't be raised at all.
That's the ultimate litmus test, frankly, as to whether the league truly cares about safety — or whether the league simply pretends to care because it would be bad for business not to.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2023
Posted: 15 Oct 2023 13:56
by musclestang
To me, that wasn’t a horse collar. When it was introduced as a penalty, it had the element where players where bending the torso back and then hanging their weight off and landing on the runners legs and ankles pinning them underneath.
Peters didn’t do that. To me, it was just a tackle.
To me, that wasn’t a horse collar. When it was introduced as a penalty, it had the element where players where bending the torso back and then hanging their weight off and landing on the runners legs and ankles pinning them underneath.
Peters didn’t do that. To me, it was just a tackle.
well to me the rule states Horse collar because the shoulder pads resemble a horse harness,( I know, quite obvious) so when Peters grabs the shoulder pad like that it has the ability to snap the neck, Peters swung Watson 360 degrees holding that collar, gonna get called every time, and in that situation shouldn't be allowed to prevent a TD, we just lost a game because of it.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2023
Posted: 15 Oct 2023 15:36
by wallyuwl
By rule it was a horse collar tackle. It came about because of TO getting dragged down and rolled up on from behind by the tackler. But the rule is you can't grab inside of back of jersey opening or inside of shoulderpad and pull (no rolling up on legs required).
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2023
Posted: 15 Oct 2023 20:01
by musclestang
I know it was by the rule, it they put the rule in for a specific set of circumstances that was causing injuries. I still remember Roy Williams breaking Terrell’s leg and that bringing about the rule
But it is my opinion, what happened to Watson was just a tackle without the dangerous part. As it had been up until 05 or 6 whatever it was that brought about the rule.
But he did grab and drop his weight and drag him down from behind, which is not what happened to Watson.
Regardless, if they start awarding TDs because they deem it so, though none was scored. I’ll happily leave this game for the fantasy players and gamblers to enjoy. I’ll be done.
not sure if others saw this, I know it was talked about some, Peters did get a fine for the horse collar TD saving tackle, imo Watson should have been awarded the TD, course my bias and that we probably/may have won the game sticks out like a sore thumb, short so I brought all of it.
Marcus Peters is fined $13,378
Raiders defensive back Marcus Peters will surely consider the $13,378 money well spent.
That was the price of the fine for pulling Packers receiver Christian Watson down from behind with a horse-collar tackle, as Watson was heading for the end zone on what would have been a long touchdown that would have given his team a 17-10 lead.
Peters drew a foul for the maneuver, which moved the ball from the six to the three for Green Bay. After the game, Raiders coach Josh McDaniels praised Peters for making a "really smart play."
The Packers did not score a touchdown, settling instead for a field goal. And the final score was 17-13, Raiders.
There's a separate question as to whether it would be smart for the league to make it clear that, in such situations, a touchdown will be awarded. The horse-collar tackle entails very real safety risks; that's why it was prohibited nearly 20 years ago.
Does the NFL want teams to tell defensive players than, when all else fails, pull the offensive player down by the back of his collar, even if it results in a broken leg?
It's unclear whether the league will prioritize this subject for offseason discussions regarding potential rule changes. If the league truly cares about player safety, it will at least have the conversation. If the league's concern for keeping players safe is just lip service and/or window dressing, it won't be raised at all.
That's the ultimate litmus test, frankly, as to whether the league truly cares about safety — or whether the league simply pretends to care because it would be bad for business not to.
I definitely don't want the league to award a touchdown in those situations either. The Packers had four downs to score from the three yard line but didn't get it done. That's solely on them.
not sure if others saw this, I know it was talked about some, Peters did get a fine for the horse collar TD saving tackle, imo Watson should have been awarded the TD, course my bias and that we probably/may have won the game sticks out like a sore thumb, short so I brought all of it.
Marcus Peters is fined $13,378
Raiders defensive back Marcus Peters will surely consider the $13,378 money well spent.
That was the price of the fine for pulling Packers receiver Christian Watson down from behind with a horse-collar tackle, as Watson was heading for the end zone on what would have been a long touchdown that would have given his team a 17-10 lead.
Peters drew a foul for the maneuver, which moved the ball from the six to the three for Green Bay. After the game, Raiders coach Josh McDaniels praised Peters for making a "really smart play."
The Packers did not score a touchdown, settling instead for a field goal. And the final score was 17-13, Raiders.
There's a separate question as to whether it would be smart for the league to make it clear that, in such situations, a touchdown will be awarded. The horse-collar tackle entails very real safety risks; that's why it was prohibited nearly 20 years ago.
Does the NFL want teams to tell defensive players than, when all else fails, pull the offensive player down by the back of his collar, even if it results in a broken leg?
It's unclear whether the league will prioritize this subject for offseason discussions regarding potential rule changes. If the league truly cares about player safety, it will at least have the conversation. If the league's concern for keeping players safe is just lip service and/or window dressing, it won't be raised at all.
That's the ultimate litmus test, frankly, as to whether the league truly cares about safety — or whether the league simply pretends to care because it would be bad for business not to.
I definitely don't want the league to award a touchdown in those situations either. The Packers had four downs to score from the three yard line but didn't get it done. That's solely on them.
I do for the simple reason that Watson most likely scores minus that tackle.
another change I want is to stop the pushing the runner/QB on short yardage runs, just as with the tackle, alternative actions lead to the result, something wrong should never benefit those doing it.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2023
Posted: 16 Oct 2023 21:22
by RingoCStarrQB
I hope Jordan evolves into a Justin Herbert clone. I really like Herbert's poise. Both wear #10.
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