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Posted: **21 Jul 2022 13:37**

Yoop wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 12:09

Drj820 wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 11:48
Rodgers plays tight in playoff games. Lafleur also tightens up and his brain doesn’t work as well. The rest of the team senses that and doesn’t play as well. Rodgers is an all time great talent, but also his personality isn’t best for team sports.
well it's the GM's fault then for not trading him, urrrrr
reality is that most teams play conservative in big games because a mistake often decides who wins, does Rodgers become ultra conservative? possibly at times, depending on the flow of the game, lis go rewatch 2021, he didn't seem over conservative then, and look at all the tight windows he threw through to Adams, IMO he's conservative throwing to receivers he doesn't trust.

go rewatch games when he Had a better group of receivers, I've heard every complaint with Rodgers, when held up to scrutiny most are not so accurate.

Why you look so paradoxical is that when AR had better WRs, historically great WR groups, he still didn't win more SBs. He has probably had the best overall OL quality in the league for the duration of his career. The teams he's been with have had all kinds of strengths and weaknesses.

But it doesn't matter, you simply will never run out of excuses for him. It's been the WRs, OL, injuries, D, STs, coaches, scheme, whatever. ANYTHING but AR himself.

By doing so, you are not defending Aaron Rodgers. You are unintentionally diminishing him. You are treating him as a damsel in distress, instead of a player with power to impact the team's fortunes.

By stripping all accountability off AR, you are also unintentionally painting AR as a player who has little impact on the success and failure of the team. It's as if when it comes to winning SBs, AR has just been an innocent victim of natural disasters in the years without SB titles. By your logic, the one SB win was a win by the rest of the team, and AR just happened to there along for the ride...

As if our MVP QB was just a passenger on a Packers ship.

You treat AR as a helpless victim of circumstances, with no agency of his own. If the ship sinks from under him, you just look for others to blame. "If we woulda had better X or the rest of the team or the coaches had saved him, he coulda won it all!"

I don't think AR should be treated like a damsel in distress, but rather as the first mate of a ship. He may not have control over the shipping company, architecture or build of the ship, nor have formal command of the ship, but he sure as &%$@ has had control and responsibility for a lot of the things that happen on a ship, especially at crucial times.

Posted: **21 Jul 2022 14:12**

Aaron Rodgers should brush up on his golf game and join the LIV Tour

Posted: **21 Jul 2022 14:19**

NCF wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 10:13

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 10:07
Comments/Remarks?
Take your pills.

I doubt pills will do anything if the record is broken.

Posted: **21 Jul 2022 16:26**

salmar80 wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 13:37
Why you look so paradoxical is that when AR had better WRs, historically great WR groups, he still didn't win more SBs. He has probably had the best overall OL quality in the league for the duration of his career. The teams he's been with have had all kinds of strengths and weaknesses.

our defense could not protect a lead, the st's sucked, yet Rodgers gets the blame according to you because he and the good group of receivers couldn't over come those issues.

the rest of your rant is more made up comments to reflect on me defending the best QB the team ever had, and my position hasn't changed, 10 years ago the offenses is the only part of the team that worked, after 2015 it's been Rodgers, Adams, Jones and Dillon, just go look at the resources dumped into the defense the last 10 years, a good portion aren't even playing football any more.

AR should be treated the same way other active HOF QB's are treated, other teams that have them actually go out and get quality WR's, we draft the 3 stooges, when Rodgers complains, he's snubbed and the GM drafts his replacement.

people wonder why Rodgers wont take a pay cut so the team can afford UFA, why the hell would he do that, he's gotten the short end of talent additions for half a decade, Gute has snubbed him ever since taking over, why do you think he threatened to hold out? duhhhhhh.

If I would have been Rodgers I would have left 4 or 5 years ago, when it was obvious Ted could not do his Job, and McCarthy would not listen to common sense, course Murphy offered him the moon not to leave, and a year later brought in Lafluer a coach with common sense, the threat of a holdout made Gute listen to what Rodgers had to say, how stupid that Rodgers had to do that to be taken seriously.

Posted: **21 Jul 2022 16:51**

Yoop wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 16:26

salmar80 wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 13:37
Why you look so paradoxical is that when AR had better WRs, historically great WR groups, he still didn't win more SBs. He has probably had the best overall OL quality in the league for the duration of his career. The teams he's been with have had all kinds of strengths and weaknesses.
our defense could not protect a lead, the st's sucked, yet Rodgers gets the blame according to you because he and the good group of receivers couldn't over come those issues.

the rest of your rant is more made up comments to reflect on me defending the best QB the team ever had, and my position hasn't changed, 10 years ago the offenses is the only part of the team that worked, after 2015 it's been Rodgers, Adams, Jones and Dillon, just go look at the resources dumped into the defense the last 10 years, a good portion aren't even playing football any more.

So when the offense was amazing...it was the defense's fault on why we lost.

When the defense is amazing....it is the supporting offensive supporting cast on why we lost.

Honestly you can and always will be able to justify a position if you want to in football due to the pure amount of variables in the game. But when every discussion is always slanted toward defending one person, it starts to show a bias agenda rather than wanting to have a serious conversation.

I can't think of anyone who blames Rodgers for every PO loss. But there is absolutely a middle ground.

09 - I can't blame Rodgers for this. That was on the defense.
10 - Rodgers was great in two games, okay in one and bad in the other
11 - Lots of offensive issues
12 - not Rodgers fault
13 - Any PO loss where the opponent is held to less than 17 points by the end of regulation is bad. I do put this one on the offense (and Rodgers is a big part of that)
14 - Same
15 - Honestly we played above where we should have been
16 - Honestly we played above where we should have been
19 - Total team collapse. Including the offense
20 - He didn't lose it. But he didn't win it either
21 - Yes I think the offensive production was very disappointing and a huge variable for not winning that game.

There are 10 seasons with PO losses.

2 of these losses are not on the offense. (09, 12)
2 of these losses the team had no real business being in the game (15, 16)
1 loss was a total team collapse (19)
1 loss where it was marginal offensive production but he didn't take it when it was there (20)
3 losses were due to the offense just not doing enough when the defense did. (13, 14, 15)
1 loss was where the offense had a terrible day and the defense did what we expected them to do (11)

So it's about an even split of "fault" pointing.

Posted: **21 Jul 2022 17:06**

go pak go wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 16:51

Yoop wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 16:26

salmar80 wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 13:37
Why you look so paradoxical is that when AR had better WRs, historically great WR groups, he still didn't win more SBs. He has probably had the best overall OL quality in the league for the duration of his career. The teams he's been with have had all kinds of strengths and weaknesses.
our defense could not protect a lead, the st's sucked, yet Rodgers gets the blame according to you because he and the good group of receivers couldn't over come those issues.

the rest of your rant is more made up comments to reflect on me defending the best QB the team ever had, and my position hasn't changed, 10 years ago the offenses is the only part of the team that worked, after 2015 it's been Rodgers, Adams, Jones and Dillon, just go look at the resources dumped into the defense the last 10 years, a good portion aren't even playing football any more.
So when the offense was amazing...it was the defense's fault on why we lost.

When the defense is amazing....it is the supporting offensive supporting cast on why we lost.

Honestly you can and always will be able to justify a position if you want to in football due to the pure amount of variables in the game. But when every discussion is always slanted toward defending one person, it starts to show a bias agenda rather than wanting to have a serious conversation.

I can't think of anyone who blames Rodgers for every PO loss. But there is absolutely a middle ground.

09 - I can't blame Rodgers for this. That was on the defense.
10 - Rodgers was great in two games, okay in one and bad in the other
11 - Lots of offensive issues
12 - not Rodgers fault
13 - Any PO loss where the opponent is held to less than 17 points by the end of regulation is bad. I do put this one on the offense (and Rodgers is a big part of that)
14 - Same
15 - Honestly we played above where we should have been
16 - Honestly we played above where we should have been
19 - Total team collapse. Including the offense
20 - He didn't lose it. But he didn't win it either
21 - Yes I think the offensive production was very disappointing and a huge variable for not winning that game.

There are 10 seasons with PO losses.

2 of these losses are not on the offense. (09, 12)
2 of these losses the team had no real business being in the game (15, 16)
1 loss was a total team collapse (19)
1 loss where it was marginal offensive production but he didn't take it when it was there (20)
3 losses were due to the offense just not doing enough when the defense did. (13, 14, 15)
1 loss was where the offense had a terrible day and the defense did what we expected them to do (11)

So it's about an even split of "fault" pointing.

I wont do your tit for tat, by simply having another top level receiver the whole complexion of the offense changes, and you know it does, yet you'll argue against that as though it doesn't, and I never said Rodgers played perfectly, the reason I defend him is because he is the first guy most of you guys blame, so it ends up magnified because I'am arguing with most people here that just want to blame Rodgers.

like I told Salmar, you people have to be the most spoiled fans I know, I could give a crap less if we ever win another SB, and after Rodgers is gone we may never win another, keep dreaming that we'll do it with great defense and running the ball, the shelf life of keeping that working is ten fold harder then simply supplying Rodgers with quality receivers, which is a major reason we've lost lately, but hey it's easier to just blame Rodgers and defend building a great defense, thats about all we've done the last decade is attempt to build a great defense, and you wonder why we've lost PO games, simple we use all our draft picks on defense.

Posted: **21 Jul 2022 18:52**

Yoop we get it.

More elite players makes your team better. That is effectively your argument here. Except the Packers have a ton of elite players. At the tops of the league. When we had the elite WRs it came to the cost of the defense and RBs. Now we have an elite defense and running attack at the cost of the WRs.

What you are asking for is both. Though it would be great to have...it just doesn't happen.

It's easy to point out a weakness. Every team has one. But what team building is about is finding the acceptable position to be weak. We have a team with an elite QB, elite Pass rush, elite secondary and elite Running backs. We can also have an elite Oline if healthy. We also have a WR group that is likely below average but does have upside.

That is a beautiful way to build a roster. We have exactly what we need. We had it last year too.

Posted: **21 Jul 2022 18:57**

Yoop wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 17:06

like I told Salmar, you people have to be the most spoiled fans I know, I could give a crap less if we ever win another SB, and after Rodgers is gone we may never win another, keep dreaming that we'll do it with great defense and running the ball, the shelf life of keeping that working is ten fold harder then simply supplying Rodgers with quality receivers, which is a major reason we've lost lately, but hey it's easier to just blame Rodgers and defend building a great defense, thats about all we've done the last decade is attempt to build a great defense, and you wonder why we've lost PO games, simple we use all our draft picks on defense.

This paragraph blows my mind.

Spoiled fans? All you do is bring up a grievance of no WR or another weakness of a position gruop in every thread and how it has cost us SBs. For someone who isn't spoiled and doesn't care about not winning SB's....you certainly talk about it a lot.

The 2020 - 2022 has been an absolutely incredible roster. And it has been a pure joy watching it get assembled and executed on the field. Minus poor execution in Lambeau Field in January.

Posted: **21 Jul 2022 20:37**

Posted: **21 Jul 2022 20:56**

go pak go wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 18:57

Yoop wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 17:06

like I told Salmar, you people have to be the most spoiled fans I know, I could give a crap less if we ever win another SB, and after Rodgers is gone we may never win another, keep dreaming that we'll do it with great defense and running the ball, the shelf life of keeping that working is ten fold harder then simply supplying Rodgers with quality receivers, which is a major reason we've lost lately, but hey it's easier to just blame Rodgers and defend building a great defense, thats about all we've done the last decade is attempt to build a great defense, and you wonder why we've lost PO games, simple we use all our draft picks on defense.
This paragraph blows my mind.

Spoiled fans? All you do is bring up a grievance of no WR or another weakness of a position gruop in every thread and how it has cost us SBs. For someone who isn't spoiled and doesn't care about not winning SB's....you certainly talk about it a lot.

The 2020 - 2022 has been an absolutely incredible roster. And it has been a pure joy watching it get assembled and executed on the field. Minus poor execution in Lambeau Field in January.

imagine that, I point out weak positions when we have weak positions, and the WR position has consisted of Adams, and wishful disappointments, finally Gute devoted resources to improve the position, and if they don't step to the plate, we'll watch the best QB the team ever had leave having 1 very good receiver the last 5 years of his career, if thats not QB abuse I don't know what is lol.

It's a great defense, but just look at the resources over the years to produce it, I love it, but it came at the expense of offense and ST's, we needed another receiver, cept we had to take a CB because we missed on King, and Jackson, and thats how it's went for years, I try to defend Ted because mostly we draft at the end of every round, but he's sure missed on a lot of defensive picks.

Posted: **21 Jul 2022 20:59**

paco wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 20:37

Good news, we don't know the condition or ability of both starters, Welcome back Brian.

Posted: **21 Jul 2022 21:57**

Bulaga in for a visit...hopefully bahk isn’t retiring

Posted: **21 Jul 2022 22:03**

Guys. Bulaga isn't signing. Love the guy. But no.

Posted: **21 Jul 2022 22:05**

Drj820 wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 21:57
Bulaga in for a visit...hopefully bahk isn’t retiring

Posted: **22 Jul 2022 13:00**

go pak go wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 18:52
We also have a WR group that is likely below average but does have upside.

Don't want to put words in Yoop's mouth but I think you're mischaracterizing part of his argument. This WR group last year, sans Adams, was not just below average- they were one of the worst in the league. You're right- every team has weaknesses. But being one of the worst in the league in any facet of the game is going to be difficult to overcome against a top-tier team. The 49ers had a good game plan for us. They knew Rodgers and his tendencies very well. They knew that he is, first and foremost, a protector of the football. For better or worse that trait is etched into his DNA. They're an elite defense facing an offense with one receiver who can get open. So again, regarding position groups, the argument isn't that we need to be elite everywhere, it's just don't suck anywhere. And unfortunately we sucked at WR.

Posted: **22 Jul 2022 19:27**

Very weird to see folks playing football with their feet at Lambeau Field...

Also: How much to hire a reserve goalie for FG blocking duties?

Posted: **23 Jul 2022 15:43**

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑
21 Jul 2022 10:07
Just wait until Aaron Rodgers breaks Brett Favre's record for playoff losses. Would enjoy seeing that posted as Press-Gazette and Journal-Sentinel sports page headlines.

RODGERS BREAKS ANOTHER FAVRE RECORD

The pressure's really on to run the table now.

Comments/Remarks? Questions? Prognostications?

Favre is 12-10 in the playoffs as a Packer. Rodgers is 11-10 in the playoffs as a Packer.

Posted: **23 Jul 2022 15:55**

Worst QBs ever! 10 playoff losses, that's inconceivable! Fire Murphy.

Posted: **23 Jul 2022 17:11**

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑
23 Jul 2022 15:55
What QBs ever! 10 playoff losses, that's inconceivable! Fire Murphy.

Exactly!!

Posted: **24 Jul 2022 10:32**

Brady has 12 playoff losses, what a bum.

Peyton Manning had 13. Joker.

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