Packers Huddle

go pak go wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2021 06:22

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 18:42

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 18:29

And the way I am thinking of it, (I mean I'm still poor now so but you will know what I mean....)

If I have a great burger, I won't get all twisted on if the chef charged me $5 or $6 because the burger was really good and the cost difference is minor.

JK was a waste of $6 because it was a sh*tty burger.
Bojo is $6 well spent because it's a good burger. Even if there is supposedly another restaruant in town (though unknown) that serves the same delicious for burger for $5.

If you have the great burger already, sure. But what if you don't know if it will be great or not. That's the issue with spending a 5th on a punter, you don't know if they will be good and you have just as good of odds with a free agent.

Swapping a 6th for a 7th for Bojo is not a bad deal at all. Scott in the 5th was a bad deal mostly because he was bad, but it was bad value too. If he was good, no one would really care about the bad value. It was just an unnecessary amount to spend though.

For the most part I can agree with that. And I think you and I are of the same mind in the end. I get where you're coming from for sure.

I too agree that a 5th was too early (unless he turned out top 3 punter), but the overall value of 5th and especially 6th and 7th rounders are pretty low that in the end if I get a good player I won't be complaining about draft capital to get it. I'm just happy we got Bojo and it seems we may finally have a punter.

Cdragon wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 10:18

go pak go wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2021 06:22

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 18:42

If you have the great burger already, sure. But what if you don't know if it will be great or not. That's the issue with spending a 5th on a punter, you don't know if they will be good and you have just as good of odds with a free agent.

Swapping a 6th for a 7th for Bojo is not a bad deal at all. Scott in the 5th was a bad deal mostly because he was bad, but it was bad value too. If he was good, no one would really care about the bad value. It was just an unnecessary amount to spend though.

For the most part I can agree with that. And I think you and I are of the same mind in the end. I get where you're coming from for sure.

I too agree that a 5th was too early (unless he turned out top 3 punter), but the overall value of 5th and especially 6th and 7th rounders are pretty low that in the end if I get a good player I won't be complaining about draft capital to get it. I'm just happy we got Bojo and it seems we may finally have a punter.

It is a lot easier to spit out a free burger and try something else. Once you pay for a burger, it becomes something you gave value for. So you are reluctant to give up on perceived value. You start saying, "Well, it's okay." instead of, 'this sucks." It gets tougher to spit out the more you paid for it.

go pak go wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 10:25

Cdragon wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 10:18

go pak go wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2021 06:22

For the most part I can agree with that. And I think you and I are of the same mind in the end. I get where you're coming from for sure.

I too agree that a 5th was too early (unless he turned out top 3 punter), but the overall value of 5th and especially 6th and 7th rounders are pretty low that in the end if I get a good player I won't be complaining about draft capital to get it. I'm just happy we got Bojo and it seems we may finally have a punter.

It is a lot easier to spit out a free burger and try something else. Once you pay for a burger, it becomes something you gave value for. So you are reluctant to give up on perceived value. You start saying, "Well, it's okay." instead of, 'this sucks." It gets tougher to spit out the more you paid for it.

Ah the burger analogies.

There is a cost to everything. Even if you only pay for the week's salary of the punter, you still have the cost of having a sh*tty punter while you were figuring out he was a sh*tty punter.

So for burger analogy, let's say you only have limited calories because you are on a fixed diet. Are you gonna waste all your bites trying to decide if that burger is good? Or do you want you limited bites to be a good burger regardless?

Again. My biggest thing is I don't care how we got there. The fact is we have probably the best punter in my lifetime. So I am not complaining at all.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 10:55

Baja Blaster is showing us how bad 5th round pick JK Scott really was.

To me, you can use a 5th on a punter if you want...you just better not miss. Like it has to be over 90% chance that the guy will be awesome. Scott never had that sort of guarantee as he was a smaller guy who punted in warm weather. We had no idea how the small guy would punt in the cold, so it was an awful pick. When you do waste a 5th on a bad punter it becomes a stain on your resume. Gutey has a few stains, most GMs have a few..but using a 5th on a bad punter certainly counts as a stain.

Yoop wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 11:43

Drj820 wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 10:55

Baja Blaster is showing us how bad 5th round pick JK Scott really was.

To me, you can use a 5th on a punter if you want...you just better not miss. Like it has to be over 90% chance that the guy will be awesome. Scott never had that sort of guarantee as he was a smaller guy who punted in warm weather. We had no idea how the small guy would punt in the cold, so it was an awful pick. When you do waste a 5th on a bad punter it becomes a stain on your resume. Gutey has a few stains, most GMs have a few..but using a 5th on a bad punter certainly counts as a stain.

so missing on a 5th rounde punter is worse then missing on the `thousands of other players GM's use 5th round picks on?

I disagree J, GM's don't think like fans do, if a GM likes a punter they wont let them get to UDFA, they will take them if they think another GM will beat them to the guy, same with a kicker, sure it's possible to miss, but in round 5 about 80% of the picks are misses anyway.

we just had a convo topic of both Jacks and Jaylon Smith being taken high round two when the GM's that took them new they would not play for a season, or if they would ever be as good again, my point is that when a GM is enamored with a player the round they take them is less of a concern, talent is talent in there eyes, they have to have a glass half full mentality, or they wouldn't draft anyone.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 11:53

The crazy thing to me is the people complaining about drafting a punter at all when we traded a draft pick for our current punter. So we are ok with trading a pick for a punter but we arent ok using a pick for a punter? Its basically the same thing.

go pak go wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 11:45

Yoop wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 11:43

Drj820 wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 10:55

Baja Blaster is showing us how bad 5th round pick JK Scott really was.

To me, you can use a 5th on a punter if you want...you just better not miss. Like it has to be over 90% chance that the guy will be awesome. Scott never had that sort of guarantee as he was a smaller guy who punted in warm weather. We had no idea how the small guy would punt in the cold, so it was an awful pick. When you do waste a 5th on a bad punter it becomes a stain on your resume. Gutey has a few stains, most GMs have a few..but using a 5th on a bad punter certainly counts as a stain.

so missing on a 5th rounde punter is worse then missing on the `thousands of other players GM's use 5th round picks on?

I disagree J, GM's don't think like fans do, if a GM likes a punter they wont let them get to UDFA, they will take them if they think another GM will beat them to the guy, same with a kicker, sure it's possible to miss, but in round 5 about 80% of the picks are misses anyway.

we just had a convo topic of both Jacks and Jaylon Smith being taken high round two when the GM's that took them new they would not play for a season, or if they would ever be as good again, my point is that when a GM is enamored with a player the round they take them is less of a concern, talent is talent in there eyes, they have to have a glass half full mentality, or they wouldn't draft anyone.

Yoop you are getting a lot of love from people who disagree with you often.

At the end of the day, a miss on a 5th is a miss on a 5th.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 11:58

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 11:53

The crazy thing to me is the people complaining about drafting a punter at all when we traded a draft pick for our current punter. So we are ok with trading a pick for a punter but we arent ok using a pick for a punter? Its basically the same thing.

Im not against drafting a punter, i just think you need to be more sure that he is going to be great than we were with Scott.

That said, to your point, it is different to trade than to draft because when you trade you absolutely are more sure of what you are getting. You have game film of punts at the NFL level that you are offering loot for. This is less risk than using a draft pick for a lesser known commodity.

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 13:14

Aaron Jones was drafted in the 5th round.

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 13:14

Aaron Jones was drafted in the 5th round.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 13:20

TheSkeptic wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2021 13:14

Aaron Jones was drafted in the 5th round.

if 5th rounders are so worthless I wish we would have just donated one to the pats and acquired Gilmore for the year