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I might be able to tag along, I put it on my work calendar, I should know later in the week if I can actually get out.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑01 Aug 2022 17:56I am planning to take off of work on Thursday to attend Training Camp on August 4th. Anyone I should meet up with from this fantastic forum?
Does Bogey work on Training Camp days?
GO PACK GO !!
My god, it was day one with pads. And we had a top 10 defense last year and added Jaire Alexander, Quay Walker, Davonte Wyatt, and Jarran Reed to it without losing anyone but Chandon Sullivan.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑01 Aug 2022 17:22
My concerns with this team fall almost entirely on OL depth and health, and edge/secondary depth.
Those are our only holes in my view. WR has some experience questions, but tons of capable players. The cream will rise to the top. I’m not worried about it.
I'm not worried about our WR room either. I honestly never was and am feeling even better after hearing the swag of Doubs.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑01 Aug 2022 17:22Yeah. I’m actually pretty stoked on the WR room, but it would be difficult for me not to be given that my plan to fix the room was to sign Sammy Watkins and draft Christian Watson and a couple mid round guys and that’s what we did. Plus Doubs is proving mature beyond his experience.Drj820 wrote: ↑01 Aug 2022 16:10I don’t take anything as gospel that I see or hear of in camp practices. Every year there are Camp stars that do nothing once the season rolls around. I continue to think the offense is extremely thin at tackle, has one of the leagues best QBs, has one of the leagues best RB units, and has a bottom 5 WR unit.
My concerns with this team fall almost entirely on OL depth and health, and edge/secondary depth.
Those are our only holes in my view. WR has some experience questions, but tons of capable players. The cream will rise to the top. I’m not worried about it.
Just let me know. I should be able to access this forum on Thursday morning via my cell phone to identify a meeting place near Nitschke Field. I'll be easy to spot ....... older white male, no hat, wearing a Packers shirt.BF004 wrote: ↑01 Aug 2022 19:10I might be able to tag along, I put it on my work calendar, I should know later in the week if I can actually get out.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑01 Aug 2022 17:56I am planning to take off of work on Thursday to attend Training Camp on August 4th. Anyone I should meet up with from this fantastic forum?
Does Bogey work on Training Camp days?
GO PACK GO !!
Although it is possible neither Bakh nor Jenkins starts on day 1, it is also possible both do. It is probable 1 does. There is nothing wrong with the Oline if both start, in fact it will be one of the best in the NFL.go pak go wrote: ↑01 Aug 2022 20:44I'm not worried about our WR room either. I honestly never was and am feeling even better after hearing the swag of Doubs.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑01 Aug 2022 17:22Yeah. I’m actually pretty stoked on the WR room, but it would be difficult for me not to be given that my plan to fix the room was to sign Sammy Watkins and draft Christian Watson and a couple mid round guys and that’s what we did. Plus Doubs is proving mature beyond his experience.Drj820 wrote: ↑01 Aug 2022 16:10I don’t take anything as gospel that I see or hear of in camp practices. Every year there are Camp stars that do nothing once the season rolls around. I continue to think the offense is extremely thin at tackle, has one of the leagues best QBs, has one of the leagues best RB units, and has a bottom 5 WR unit.
My concerns with this team fall almost entirely on OL depth and health, and edge/secondary depth.
Those are our only holes in my view. WR has some experience questions, but tons of capable players. The cream will rise to the top. I’m not worried about it.
It's the Oline for me. If we don't have our two highest graded players, I get concerned what this Oline. Runyan is awesome but everyone else I think was overstated in performance based on expectations rather than actual performance.
This defense looks really freaking good though. The defensive line sounds to be ridiculous which is allowing our ILBs to make plays and our secondary is just glue.
I think we could be seeing a 17 point average per game type season this year from the defense.
I would be very surprised if either Bakh or Jenkins starts Week 1. Pleasantly surprised but surprised nonetheless. I am of the background of ACL's take time and it is best to let them fully heal before pushing it too early.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022 02:58Although it is possible neither Bakh nor Jenkins starts on day 1, it is also possible both do. It is probable 1 does. There is nothing wrong with the Oline if both start, in fact it will be one of the best in the NFL.go pak go wrote: ↑01 Aug 2022 20:44I'm not worried about our WR room either. I honestly never was and am feeling even better after hearing the swag of Doubs.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑01 Aug 2022 17:22
Yeah. I’m actually pretty stoked on the WR room, but it would be difficult for me not to be given that my plan to fix the room was to sign Sammy Watkins and draft Christian Watson and a couple mid round guys and that’s what we did. Plus Doubs is proving mature beyond his experience.
My concerns with this team fall almost entirely on OL depth and health, and edge/secondary depth.
Those are our only holes in my view. WR has some experience questions, but tons of capable players. The cream will rise to the top. I’m not worried about it.
It's the Oline for me. If we don't have our two highest graded players, I get concerned what this Oline. Runyan is awesome but everyone else I think was overstated in performance based on expectations rather than actual performance.
This defense looks really freaking good though. The defensive line sounds to be ridiculous which is allowing our ILBs to make plays and our secondary is just glue.
I think we could be seeing a 17 point average per game type season this year from the defense.
I also think that you are massively underestimating Myers. He was a rookie last year and he missed the middle of the season with an injury. He is huge for a center and he is plenty quick enough. He does not make mistakes. The only problem was that he was a rookie. Problem fixed.
It's pretty well documented???? why do people always feel the need to to add qualifiers to there comments, it's not as though anyone here wouldn't already know your stance concerning most thingsgo pak go wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022 07:25I would be very surprised if either Bakh or Jenkins starts Week 1. Pleasantly surprised but surprised nonetheless. I am of the background of ACL's take time and it is best to let them fully heal before pushing it too early.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022 02:58Although it is possible neither Bakh nor Jenkins starts on day 1, it is also possible both do. It is probable 1 does. There is nothing wrong with the Oline if both start, in fact it will be one of the best in the NFL.go pak go wrote: ↑01 Aug 2022 20:44
I'm not worried about our WR room either. I honestly never was and am feeling even better after hearing the swag of Doubs.
It's the Oline for me. If we don't have our two highest graded players, I get concerned what this Oline. Runyan is awesome but everyone else I think was overstated in performance based on expectations rather than actual performance.
This defense looks really freaking good though. The defensive line sounds to be ridiculous which is allowing our ILBs to make plays and our secondary is just glue.
I think we could be seeing a 17 point average per game type season this year from the defense.
I also think that you are massively underestimating Myers. He was a rookie last year and he missed the middle of the season with an injury. He is huge for a center and he is plenty quick enough. He does not make mistakes. The only problem was that he was a rookie. Problem fixed.
As for Meyers, I am definitely in a "wait and see" mode. Football fans in general are very, very forgiving to players with an "he is young" excuse. We are very much about potential and use this potential to forgive immediate shortcomings. My classic examples are Marshal Newhouse and Don Barclay. Both were fan favorites early....until we realized their play just sucked and stop forgiving their crappy play.
Make no mistake, there was a significant drop-off from center play from 2020 to 2021. And I also don't think there was a significant drop in play on the Packers overall when Meyers wasn't in the game.
It is pretty well documented how I am a huge believer in all Packers players. But also try to say it how I see it. The potential is there, but we haven't seen it yet. Hopefully we see that 2nd year jump.
The Oline has potential to be a top unit in the league. But it also has a likelihood of really struggling.
Creed Humphrey was taken immediately after Meyers. And yes, the Meyers draft pick should be compared to Humphrey in the long run. Humphrey was the bonafied media favorite 1st Center to go. He was a 1st rounder in most mocks.Yoop wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022 08:05It's pretty well documented???? why do people always feel the need to to add qualifiers to there comments, it's not as though anyone here wouldn't already know your stance concerning most thingsgo pak go wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022 07:25I would be very surprised if either Bakh or Jenkins starts Week 1. Pleasantly surprised but surprised nonetheless. I am of the background of ACL's take time and it is best to let them fully heal before pushing it too early.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022 02:58
Although it is possible neither Bakh nor Jenkins starts on day 1, it is also possible both do. It is probable 1 does. There is nothing wrong with the Oline if both start, in fact it will be one of the best in the NFL.
I also think that you are massively underestimating Myers. He was a rookie last year and he missed the middle of the season with an injury. He is huge for a center and he is plenty quick enough. He does not make mistakes. The only problem was that he was a rookie. Problem fixed.
As for Meyers, I am definitely in a "wait and see" mode. Football fans in general are very, very forgiving to players with an "he is young" excuse. We are very much about potential and use this potential to forgive immediate shortcomings. My classic examples are Marshal Newhouse and Don Barclay. Both were fan favorites early....until we realized their play just sucked and stop forgiving their crappy play.
Make no mistake, there was a significant drop-off from center play from 2020 to 2021. And I also don't think there was a significant drop in play on the Packers overall when Meyers wasn't in the game.
It is pretty well documented how I am a huge believer in all Packers players. But also try to say it how I see it. The potential is there, but we haven't seen it yet. Hopefully we see that 2nd year jump.
The Oline has potential to be a top unit in the league. But it also has a likelihood of really struggling.
the best center in the draft was taken a few slots after Myers, at least according to his rookie campaign, so we'll have to wait and see how Myers does.
unless a person pays particular attention to O lineman and even then it's really hard to predict how well they'll pan out, we hope, we guess they'll be good, who here saw Bahktiari coming, or Jenkins, etc. it often takes OL a year or two to show just how good they are, and we think they suck prior, nature of the beast.
Doubs was taken in the 4th. He was well regarded and probably would have gone much sooner if there w was rnt so many excellent WRs this draft. Toure was taken in the 7th.Drj820 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022 07:53I think the WR room is currently a mess and can grow into adequate. I think it’s going to be rough for about half the season, but the NFCN is bad enough that we can still win the division. I could see the young boys and the rookies coming into their own mid year and the group being fine by playoff time. But I expect growing pains.
I don’t trust Sammy’s health. I don’t trust Cobbs health. I don’t think Amari is very good. Watson sounds like he just had a knee surgery. And doubes is a hyped up 7th rounder. I guess I can have some faith in the guys by the end of the year that I expect to be healthy?
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Cobb should have made my list. Although declining athletically at this point, he has a ton of experience with AR and can be counted on for a few receptions per game.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022 09:21BOOOOOOOOO
I genuinely don't understand why so many people think unproven = limited.
Our WR room is stacked with possibilities. We might have two full on DUDES by the end of the season. We might have none. We're definitely spreading the ball more, but like 28 of 32 teams spread the ball more than we have the past two years--and Rodgers has spread the ball around more in his career than he has the past couple years.
To say we know what we have there is the only take on the room I think I could certifiably disagree with
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Related, and as for the video in the thread (which I admittedly skimmed and skipped through), Amari Rodgers is the greatest unknown to me. He was swimming in the mental game and had some physical limitations last year.
He has slimmed down and trained up and focused on his deficits, and he has started to catch up to the speed of the game. That could make him a reliable Randall Cobb type with some gimmick options for his career.... or he could be a replaceable skillset who gets beaten out by Samari Toure for the slot of the future after Cobb moves on.
I mean of course we could have 'dudes', but we also don't have one, really anything close to one. If Sammy Watkins is your best player, short of having OROY at WR, its gunna be a limited group, very limited.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022 09:21BOOOOOOOOO
I genuinely don't understand why so many people think unproven = limited.
Our WR room is stacked with possibilities. We might have two full on DUDES by the end of the season. We might have none. We're definitely spreading the ball more, but like 28 of 32 teams spread the ball more than we have the past two years--and Rodgers has spread the ball around more in his career than he has the past couple years.
I do think it's funny that the ESPN and NFL Network talking heads' main question is always "its 3rd down, who does Rodgers look to/trust" and like RANDALL COBB HAS BEEN THAT GUY SO MANY TIMES. Like they forget that Rodgers asked the team to trade for his best friend who has a long, long history of clutch plays from Rodgers. He's not the Davante replacement at all even a little. But it's not like we're lacking a guy Rodgers trusts in a tricky spot.AmishMafia wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022 09:28Cobb should have made my list. Although declining athletically at this point, he has a ton of experience with AR and can be counted on for a few receptions per game.
I guess this is exactly what I'm talking about. You point to the downside and call it "real life." As if you know for some kind of fact that the reality is that we don't have talented players at the position. As if the upside options are "fantasy" but the downside options are "realistic."BF004 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022 09:30I mean of course we could have 'dudes', but we also don't have one, really anything close to one. If Sammy Watkins is your best player, short of having OROY at WR, its gunna be a limited group, very limited.
We also could have had dudes going into the season with Ladarius Gunter and Quinten Rollins and Damarious Randall and the young Kevin King and Josh Hawkins. But real life sunk in during the season.
Like I think that is exactly how probabilistic outcomes happen.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022 09:40I guess this is exactly what I'm talking about. You point to the downside and call it "real life." As if you know for some kind of fact that the reality is that we don't have talented players at the position. As if the upside options are "fantasy" but the downside options are "realistic."BF004 wrote: ↑02 Aug 2022 09:30I mean of course we could have 'dudes', but we also don't have one, really anything close to one. If Sammy Watkins is your best player, short of having OROY at WR, its gunna be a limited group, very limited.
We also could have had dudes going into the season with Ladarius Gunter and Quinten Rollins and Damarious Randall and the young Kevin King and Josh Hawkins. But real life sunk in during the season.
That's just not how probabilistic outcomes work.