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Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 14:22
by Drj820
So how do we think this hiring process is going?
-100% lafleurs call top to bottom?
-Mostly Lafleurs call but final approval from Gute?
-Mostly lafleurs call but final approbal from Murphy?
-Total 3 way collaboration?
--Collaboration between Lafleur and Gute, with Gute having final say?
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 14:30
by LombardiTime
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 14:10
Labrev wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 14:06
Cut the crap with these greenhorns, Matt. We are not a rebuilding team. Get a guy who has been around the block.
Get an up and comer!
Yeah, I'd hate for Green Bay to be saddled with a young defensive coordinator like 36 year old Mike Macdonald in Baltimore.
https://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/co ... -macdonald
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 14:31
by NCF
I don't care if he has coached for one season or twenty. Get the best guy for the job.
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 14:32
by MY_TAKE
I honestly don't care as long as were better. I am not qualified to even have an opinion (not saying anyone here isn't) about who the new DC is. Any applicant or person being considered has had success somewhere it seems, and as too why, I am not sure. Of course, I have thoughts and some simple opinions, but thats all they are. In my perfect pipedream fantasy world where all contestants would be happy I would make Belichick the new Packer head coach and run the defense. MLF would control everything offensively as OC and QB whisperer, and Gute and company can keep on building a high end roster. LOL
Yes I have read the entire topic posts and have enjoyed it very much.
Go Pack Go
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 14:32
by Drj820
Not suggesting someone is only getting interviewed because they are minority, just saying that im pretty sure we have to interview a certain amount of minority candidates...so its not like we can just have one interview and call it a day.
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 14:38
by Pckfn23
Drj820 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 14:32
Not suggesting someone is only getting interviewed because they are minority, just saying that im pretty sure we have to interview a certain amount of minority candidates...so its not like we can just have one interview and call it a day.
No, they don't. The Rooney Rule does not apply to position under head coach.
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 14:39
by Madcity_matt
Drj820 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 14:32
Not suggesting someone is only getting interviewed because they are minority, just saying that im pretty sure we have to interview a certain amount of minority candidates...so its not like we can just have one interview and call it a day.
For coordinator it's one external minority candidate. Head coach requires two.
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 14:41
by Pckfn23
Madcity_matt wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 14:39
Drj820 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 14:32
Not suggesting someone is only getting interviewed because they are minority, just saying that im pretty sure we have to interview a certain amount of minority candidates...so its not like we can just have one interview and call it a day.
For coordinator it's one external minority candidate. Head coach requires two.
I stand corrected. Thank you. They updated it in 2021 to include coordinators and 2022 with QB coaches.
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 14:50
by Drj820
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 14:38
Drj820 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 14:32
Not suggesting someone is only getting interviewed because they are minority, just saying that im pretty sure we have to interview a certain amount of minority candidates...so its not like we can just have one interview and call it a day.
No, they don't. The Rooney Rule does not apply to position under head coach.
yes they do. its why the fangio to Philly hire wasnt immediately official.
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 15:15
by Labrev
LombardiTime wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 14:30
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 14:10
Labrev wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 14:06
Cut the crap with these greenhorns, Matt. We are not a rebuilding team. Get a guy who has been around the block.
Get an up and comer!
Yeah, I'd hate for Green Bay to be saddled with a young defensive coordinator like 36 year old Mike Macdonald in Baltimore.
https://www.baltimoreravens.com/team/co ... -macdonald
I'm not talking about young/old. I'm talking about
experience. Guys who have a modicum of experience doing anything remotely like being a coordinator, ideally actually being D-Coord themselves but if not, then run-game coordinator, pass-game coordinator, playcalling.
If none of those, then at least someone who has been doing it for a while and exposed to lots of different coaching minds/schemes.
The example you gave is a guy who was D-Coord at a big college football program before he was hired.
These guys are just position-coaches, and have been for a very short time.
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 15:20
by BF004
Yoop wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 14:06
BF004 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 13:21
Looks initially like Matt sticking with the quadragenarian club.
I think I'am a bit biased and tired of base 4 pass rush and cushion coverage Fangio concepts,
I don't know that he's bad but also don't know that he's good. He was DC for 1 year. The Rams were good for that 1 year but they were trending that way before he got there and stayed good after he left.
DVOA
2018: 16th
2019: 7th
2020 (Staley): 3rd
2021: 3rd
He went on to be a head coach that presided over a horrific defense.
Beyond that I don't think we've seen a Fangio disciple in the top 10 of defenses since 2021 when Raheem Morris had the Rams 3rd but they fell to 18th the next year.
In 2023 the Fangio defenses that I'm aware of were
Miami (Fangio): 19th
Rams (Morris): 22nd
Panthers (Evero): 25th
Chargers (Ansley): 26th
Packers (Barry): 27th
Eagles (Desai): 29th
Don't forget the Vikings were 24th with Donatell because they wanted a Fangio guy and after 1 year decided to move on to Flores and jumped to 11th.
The Fangio defense may have had it's day.
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 15:30
by packman114
That Parker dude is only a year older than Preston! I love that they are talking to some young guys. I'm all for giving a guy his chance if you like what he is trying to do. You can't be experienced unless someone has given you an opportunity. I think these kids today need someone they can relate to instead of a father figure. Probably why Bellichick and Carroll are not hired yet.
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 15:33
by Drj820
Going young is fine, Lafleur just needs to know that this team is in a Super Bowl window and there will be no time to “learn on the job”. There are other locations around the league to do that.
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 15:52
by Chilli
Drj820 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 15:33
Going young is fine, Lafleur just needs to know that this team is in a Super Bowl window and there will be no time to “learn on the job”. There are other locations around the league to do that.
Precisely what LaFleur did previously, leaning with the more experienced Barry when we had the Rodgers superbowl window.
In doing so we missed out on a talent coordinator in Evero who proved himself just one year later.
What you're saying is essentially asking us to repeat our mistake.
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 15:52
by Yoop
BF004 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 15:20
In 2023 the Fangio defenses that I'm aware of were
Miami (Fangio): 19th
Rams (Morris): 22nd
Panthers (Evero): 25th
Chargers (Ansley): 26th
Packers (Barry): 27th
Eagles (Desai): 29th
Don't forget the Vikings were 24th with Donatell because they wanted a Fangio guy and after 1 year decided to move on to Flores and jumped to 11th.
The Fangio defense may have had it's day.
thanks
Mistake free offenses are killing the sit back and bring it to me Fangio models, those stats bare that out, thats why I lean towards a more aggressive pass rush and more man coverage, but doesn't everybody
offenses are so well coached, mistake free, long marches are the thing, just don't know what to think a guy like Staley would bring we havn't already seen from Barry, we'll see, this just started, probably drag out till the first round of interviews, hope he's thorough.
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 15:56
by Drj820
Chilli wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 15:52
Drj820 wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 15:33
Going young is fine, Lafleur just needs to know that this team is in a Super Bowl window and there will be no time to “learn on the job”. There are other locations around the league to do that.
Precisely what LaFleur did previously, leaning with the more experienced Barry when we had the Rodgers superbowl window.
In doing so we missed out on a talent coordinator in Evero who proved himself just one year later.
What you're saying is essentially asking us to repeat our mistake.
Not at all.
1) Barry had a proven track record..and it was one that was not impressive. Barry performed exactly as his track record indicated he would!
2) I’m not saying the new hire can’t be young, I’m saying his plan and vision must be crystal clear and ready to execute, because he wont have time for trial and error
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 15:58
by Labrev
Chilli wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 15:52
Precisely what LaFleur did previously, leaning with the more experienced Barry when we had the Rodgers superbowl window.
In doing so we missed out on a talent coordinator in Evero who proved himself just one year later.
Barry was not the only experienced candidate then, and there are even more such options now. Just because Barry was an experienced hire that was not up to par means all experienced hires are a bad idea.
Also, Evero was LA's passing game coordinator, not just a position coach.
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 16:11
by Scott4Pack
I want a guy who isn't 35+ years in the saddle. Want a guy who makes a great system that can work with most of what we already have, yet with the intention to mix it up and bring pressure more often. Find a guy that you think will have hunches of when to make certain play calls.
If past form holds, they'll probably find a guy who operates a scheme they really lean toward and knocks the ball out of the part on the interview. Then, they work to get him hired before he leaves the building. That's what I'd keep my ears on the ground to listen for. Maybe by next week at this time?
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 16:20
by TheSkeptic
Labrev wrote: ↑26 Jan 2024 14:06
Cut the crap with these greenhorns, Matt. We are not a rebuilding team. Get a guy who has been around the block.
I totally disagree with this. A man's ability to inspire and his ability to devise new schemes or disguise old schemes are not reserved to failed head coaches and recycled DC's. If they have been around the block and now are available it means they have been a failure at their latest position. The Packers need someone with fresh ideas. A 60+ year old recycled DC is not going to inspire a young team either.
Barry had been around the block, might as well have kept him if that is the prime requirement.
Interview a lot of candidates, don't write off everyone without DC experience.
Re: Packers DC Search
Posted: 26 Jan 2024 16:36
by paco