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In my opinion this is the case. I would be shocked if we went Edge first round, unless someone really falls.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:03
He usually doesn't outright lie, so it may be the case that EDGE just isn't a draft priority, but I'd imagine we get some somewhere along the line.
I'm so torn, because I think if the right one falls, Gute still pulls the trigger. Aside from that, though, I struggle to see a value pick that will be available to us. Unless they really like Harmon or Grant or one of the CB's, where else do they go (and I don't think the answer is WR)? Trade down? I'd be fine with that, but even then, what is the next pocket of talent you are trying to target?Pckfn23 wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:06In my opinion this is the case. I would be shocked if we went Edge first round, unless someone really falls.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:03
He usually doesn't outright lie, so it may be the case that EDGE just isn't a draft priority, but I'd imagine we get some somewhere along the line.
I remember hearing this right after The Combine. There were some media guys who were very loudly critical of that process.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:15So usually I go with combine measurements, but this year I'm taking the arms from Pro Days where available.
Tiers. Gutekunst will have his tiers and I think EDGE will be one of the lower prioritized positions in the first round. So unless his highest tier consists of EDGE, Safety, RB, and QB when we pick, I think EDGE isn't the pick in round 1. From listening to the talk this off season, watching the improvement throughout the year, and knowing what we have compared to what we need, I see it as a lower priority early on.NCF wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:29I'm so torn, because I think if the right one falls, Gute still pulls the trigger. Aside from that, though, I struggle to see a value pick that will be available to us. Unless they really like Harmon or Grant or one of the CB's, where else do they go (and I don't think the answer is WR)? Trade down? I'd be fine with that, but even then, what is the next pocket of talent you are trying to target?Pckfn23 wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:06In my opinion this is the case. I would be shocked if we went Edge first round, unless someone really falls.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:03
He usually doesn't outright lie, so it may be the case that EDGE just isn't a draft priority, but I'd imagine we get some somewhere along the line.
I feel like we're going to draft like Trey Amos or Benjamin Morrison and everyone is going to be like "WHAT?! WHO? WHAT A REACH!!" and then Kiper and McShay and Daniel Jeremiah and Dane Brugler will be like "he's a solid outside starting corner and I'd been hearing rumblings he was moving into round one, so this isn't that much of a surprise" even though none of them mentioned it and then we all talk ourselves into it and he's a perfectly good corner for us.NCF wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:29I'm so torn, because I think if the right one falls, Gute still pulls the trigger. Aside from that, though, I struggle to see a value pick that will be available to us. Unless they really like Harmon or Grant or one of the CB's, where else do they go (and I don't think the answer is WR)? Trade down? I'd be fine with that, but even then, what is the next pocket of talent you are trying to target?
You are probably right, but Amos would definitely buck the trend in the 1st-round, being 23 years old. Davonte Wyatt is really the only "old" outlier there. Azareye'h Thomas is someone I could see and yes, I would absolutely flip my &%$@ in the moment before settling in 5 minutes later like always.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:36I feel like we're going to draft like Trey Amos or Benjamin Morrison and everyone is going to be like "WHAT?! WHO? WHAT A REACH!!" and then Kiper and McShay and Daniel Jeremiah and Dane Brugler will be like "he's a solid outside starting corner and I'd been hearing rumblings he was moving into round one, so this isn't that much of a surprise" even though none of them mentioned it and then we all talk ourselves into it and he's a perfectly good corner for us.NCF wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:29I'm so torn, because I think if the right one falls, Gute still pulls the trigger. Aside from that, though, I struggle to see a value pick that will be available to us. Unless they really like Harmon or Grant or one of the CB's, where else do they go (and I don't think the answer is WR)? Trade down? I'd be fine with that, but even then, what is the next pocket of talent you are trying to target?
And it's going to happen with, like, Mykell Williams and Luther Burden on the board
hahaha, I literally went through this exact thought process after posting it. Like "Amos was a bad example; probably should have used Thomas" literally went through my headNCF wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:44You are probably right, but Amos would definitely buck the trend in the 1st-round, being 23 years old. Davonte Wyatt is really the only "old" outlier there. Azareye'h Thomas is someone I could see and yes, I would absolutely flip my &%$@ in the moment before settling in 5 minutes later like always.
I think the main concern with a more undersized DE is how they will hold up in the run.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:03As for weight, like, I could imagine a scenario where, like, arm length, and testing numbers like the broad jump and the shuttles matter a lot and it has resulted in bigger players, but then you get a guy from BC where the tape is great, the arms are 34", the broad is in the Gary/LVN/Enegbare range (119 inches compared to 118 and 120 for those guys) and it actually is still "a fit" even though the height and weight don't align.
Now, I'm imagining that scenario because I want it to be true, not because I have any evidence that it is. But still, I could imagine it.
Like, if you only look at THIS part of the chart, without height, names, and weights (Ezeiruaku didn't run), doesn't he fit right in?
Enegbare and Mosby are Mathews, size 6.3 250 or thereabout. Going big at the edge is old school 4-3. We drafted Gary during a 4-3 hybrid conversion, which, in my opinion, was to better contain the run.
production is that kids middle nameeveryone is so worried about stopping the run????? Better tackling is what we got last year which is why our run stopping ability improved, both Gary and LVN had about the same totals as the previous year and the year prior to that, we are so enamored with size, and it really hasn't changed stopping the run, and our pass rush has declined, unless we increased off ball production.Labrev wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 11:03I think the main concern with a more undersized DE is how they will hold up in the run.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:03As for weight, like, I could imagine a scenario where, like, arm length, and testing numbers like the broad jump and the shuttles matter a lot and it has resulted in bigger players, but then you get a guy from BC where the tape is great, the arms are 34", the broad is in the Gary/LVN/Enegbare range (119 inches compared to 118 and 120 for those guys) and it actually is still "a fit" even though the height and weight don't align.
Now, I'm imagining that scenario because I want it to be true, not because I have any evidence that it is. But still, I could imagine it.
Like, if you only look at THIS part of the chart, without height, names, and weights (Ezeiruaku didn't run), doesn't he fit right in?
On that note, his tape is certainly great in terms of the pass-rush artistry on display, but on the specific issue they will probably be concerned about (his reps vs the run) I think the tape will actually be a point against him.
Fun player, I respect the mastery of his craft for a young guy, but the fit for us? I'm just not seeing it.
Indeed he doesYoHoChecko wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:03Like, if you only look at THIS part of the chart, without height, names, and weights (Ezeiruaku didn't run), doesn't he fit right in?
Holy crap! Yes.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 11:59Anyway, Chimere Dike. One of my favorite sleepers. Not even mentioned on a lot of draftnik boards, but Dane Brugler has him in the 4th-5th round and the PFF boys like him. He went to Florida, which I'll excuse. He seems like an EXCELLENT fit for us. He needs to work on route running refinement.
my fav guy after Jalon Walker, he gets it, doesn't matter how good the OT is, Ezeiruaku will find a way around him and he's a great tackler, like Walker, he's a team leader and causes havoc, imho far more important than grooming up a player as raw as Stewart, jmo.Bogey wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 12:01Indeed he doesYoHoChecko wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025 10:03Like, if you only look at THIS part of the chart, without height, names, and weights (Ezeiruaku didn't run), doesn't he fit right in?
As it should be. Stopping the run is fundamental to good defense.
I think it was more than just better tackling. Haf got our DEs to play with much better discipline in setting the edge. That was a huge change from when Barry was DC.Better tackling is what we got last year which is why our run stopping ability improved, both Gary and LVN had about the same totals as the previous year and the year prior to that, we are so enamored with size, and it really hasn't changed stopping the run, and our pass rush has declined, unless we increased off ball production.
I see Horton was in Green Bay today for a visit.
