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go pak go wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2020 19:40

I mean when we drafted Blake, his biggest strength or attraction was his coverage skills in college.

some of us commented about this a couple years ago.

imo and just my opinion,it's the way both Capers and Pettine use our Mike lber, they plant him in the middle of that zone and his first responsibility is to spy the QB or attack against the run, and our weakside backer (hybrid Willie) defend the pass, versus both ILB's having over lapping tasks depending on the flow of the play, how often have we all seen Blake standing pat as a TE went running right by him, catch a pass for a first down, or go for a big gainer.

Marty even mentioned some of this after he was released, it also fits with our attempts to down play the importance of the position, I use to support the use of the 3 safety scheme and the hybrid lber versus the real deal bigger, but usually slower true ILB simply because of coverage demands.

however imo what where seeing now is college producing more tweener type ILB's with speed and weight to play all 3 downs, as offenses revert to more small ball and uptempo short passing the ILB position can no longer take a second seat to other defensive positions, our past draft priority's concerning this have to change, as well as how we use them.

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21 Nov 2020 06:46

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20 Nov 2020 20:04

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2020 15:44

To be fair Shannon even said at his induction speech that he’s the first member of his family to be in the HOF and the 2nd best player in his family. Sterling, as unfortunate as it is, didn’t have the longevity.

I can’t see the media pushing for Wilson with as many INTs as he’s had. Right now the undeniable favorite is Mahomes. He’s got more talent around him than Rodgers but watching the games there’s no doubt in my mind this is the best player in the league. Honestly Mahomes is still underpaid.

Anytime somebody says, Sterling didn't play long enough, I reply, what about Terrell Davis? If he's in the HOF because he was on 2 Superbowl winning teams, then why not put Marv Fleming in there?

Different positions have different considerations for getting into the hall. Pro Football Ref has a HOF stat with most guys who get in scoring around 100. Sterling hits 71, 37th among WRs. Terrell Davis is at 99, 11th among RBs. Shannon Sharpe is at 113, 3rd among TEs. Marv Fleming is at 19, 66th among TEs. Russell Wilson is at 66, 29th among QBs. AR is currently at 141, 6th among QBs. Troy Aikman is in with only 64. He never would have been in without being a cowboy and the SBs. Favre is at 178, 3rd among QBs.

Leroy Butler has a better case than I thought according to this. 97, 20th among DBs.

As with any hall of fame now, it's all about the favorites. 99% of the people who vote on membership have zero clue about the players they vote for.
And putting players in based on position is absolutely retarded. A great football player is a great player regardless of position.
Whatever measurements are being used can be fudged to make somebody look better than they actually are.
Perfect example is Steve Atwater being in and LeRoy Butler is not. The criteria used to to elevate Atwater over Butler is flawed.

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$%@# A DUCK!!! Football Outsiders went completely pay wall now... All I want is 3rd down and 3 and out!

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

23 Nov 2020 10:58

$%@# A DUCK!!! Football Outsiders went completely pay wall now... All I want is 3rd down and 3 and out!

Tear down this wall!

Christo wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2020 20:04

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2020 15:44

Christo wrote: ↑

16 Nov 2020 11:13

Maybe, but I still think the media will push Wilson for MVP. As far as what idiots like Sharpe and Bayless say, when have they been correct on anything?
All Bayless does is jerk off to the Cowboys and Sharpe just talks louder than Bayless.
And the fact that Shannon is in the hall of fame and Sterling isn't, is a crime.

To be fair Shannon even said at his induction speech that he’s the first member of his family to be in the HOF and the 2nd best player in his family. Sterling, as unfortunate as it is, didn’t have the longevity.

I can’t see the media pushing for Wilson with as many INTs as he’s had. Right now the undeniable favorite is Mahomes. He’s got more talent around him than Rodgers but watching the games there’s no doubt in my mind this is the best player in the league. Honestly Mahomes is still underpaid.

Anytime somebody says, Sterling didn't play long enough, I reply, what about Terrell Davis? If he's in the HOF because he was on 2 Superbowl winning teams, then why not put Marv Fleming in there?

I’ll agree with you there. I never understood how Davis got in. He had four good years with one of those being all time great. Only 7 players are in the 2k club after all. Still not enough for me. Whoever was pulling for Davis really sold him well to make it.

I never got to watch Fleming play. I can’t comment much but as the TE position has changed and become more flashy I would say based on the numbers he doesn’t deserve it either.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2020 03:19

Christo wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2020 20:04

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2020 15:44

To be fair Shannon even said at his induction speech that he’s the first member of his family to be in the HOF and the 2nd best player in his family. Sterling, as unfortunate as it is, didn’t have the longevity.

I can’t see the media pushing for Wilson with as many INTs as he’s had. Right now the undeniable favorite is Mahomes. He’s got more talent around him than Rodgers but watching the games there’s no doubt in my mind this is the best player in the league. Honestly Mahomes is still underpaid.

Anytime somebody says, Sterling didn't play long enough, I reply, what about Terrell Davis? If he's in the HOF because he was on 2 Superbowl winning teams, then why not put Marv Fleming in there?

I’ll agree with you there. I never understood how Davis got in. He had four good years with one of those being all time great. Only 7 players are in the 2k club after all. Still not enough for me. Whoever was pulling for Davis really sold him well to make it.

I never got to watch Fleming play. I can’t comment much but as the TE position has changed and become more flashy I would say based on the numbers he doesn’t deserve it either.

In all fairness, I was being a bit sarcastic bringing up Fleming because the only reason for Davis being in the HOF is playing on 2 super bowl winning teams.
Fleming played on multiple super bowl winning teams, 4 rings total.
Add that Sterling Sharpe played at an outstanding level until his neck injury and you can see the hypocrisy of the HOF selection committee.

Kenny Stills was released. If he makes it through waivers, he could be a target. Was a popular name after Will Fuller at the trade deadline.

paco wrote: ↑

27 Nov 2020 16:21

Kenny Stills was released. If he makes it through waivers, he could be a target. Was a popular name after Will Fuller at the trade deadline.

Good call, but he's coming off a quad injury. Who knows how long until he's 100%

Labrev wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2020 10:18

Yoop wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2020 09:34

this is the same ol stuff Capers dealt with, a revolving door of inadequate talent at several positions and poor play from other players

I was the rare fan who actually did not blame Capers for our woes on defense, even defended him quite a bit for quite some time (got some heat for it from his detractors, too). Even now in retrospect, I am not convinced it was anything more than a lack of talent (on TT's part) that made those defenses bad.

I only agreed with letting him go when we did because we missed the playoffs that year, which gave us an opportunity to start interviewing for new DCs right away -- an opportunity we did not usually get, because we usually did not miss the playoffs. And the guy was old so we had to do it sooner or later. But even the year we let him go, the defense was better than the offense that year, so if you were going to let him go, you may as well have also let Mac go (I don't accept Hundley as an excuse for our offense being THAT bad that year).

I do not have that same stance towards Pettine. Our talent on D is more than adequate; this is a coaching failure.

Trust me, Capers was definitely blamable many times. Had you been at the Buccaneers - Packers game in 2011 ...... Josh Freeman threw for over 300 yards ...... Capers' D had no answers for Freeman that day. In the end the Packers got a couple of turnovers and won the game. But again ........... Capers' D made Freeman look like Joe Montana. It was unbelievably difficult to sit through.

go pak go wrote: ↑

18 Nov 2020 08:47

Just win your games. If we are 13-3 Rodgers, it will be down to Mahomes and Rodgers and both will be very deserving.

They could be co-MVPs.

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

27 Nov 2020 18:31

Labrev wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2020 10:18

Yoop wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2020 09:34

this is the same ol stuff Capers dealt with, a revolving door of inadequate talent at several positions and poor play from other players

I was the rare fan who actually did not blame Capers for our woes on defense, even defended him quite a bit for quite some time (got some heat for it from his detractors, too). Even now in retrospect, I am not convinced it was anything more than a lack of talent (on TT's part) that made those defenses bad.

I only agreed with letting him go when we did because we missed the playoffs that year, which gave us an opportunity to start interviewing for new DCs right away -- an opportunity we did not usually get, because we usually did not miss the playoffs. And the guy was old so we had to do it sooner or later. But even the year we let him go, the defense was better than the offense that year, so if you were going to let him go, you may as well have also let Mac go (I don't accept Hundley as an excuse for our offense being THAT bad that year).

I do not have that same stance towards Pettine. Our talent on D is more than adequate; this is a coaching failure.

Trust me, Capers was definitely blamable many times. Had you been at the Buccaneers - Packers game in 2011 ...... Josh Freeman threw for over 300 yards ...... Capers' D had no answers for Freeman that day. In the end the Packers got a couple of turnovers and won the game. But again ........... Capers' D made Freeman look like Joe Montana. It was unbelievably difficult to sit through.

Watching what Pettine calls defense is unbelievably painful. His ideas are old and obsolete. The Packers went out on a limb and picked MLF to be the head coach. At least as far as offense goes. After this year is over, let him pick his own staff. No more, you gotta keep this guy nonsense.

I can't think of anybody that jumps out as far as replacing Pettine. But damn, start looking now.

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

27 Nov 2020 18:28

paco wrote: ↑

27 Nov 2020 16:21

Kenny Stills was released. If he makes it through waivers, he could be a target. Was a popular name after Will Fuller at the trade deadline.

Good call, but he's coming off a quad injury. Who knows how long until he's 100%

Did not know that. Didn't actually read into it at all. Still worth a look if not too bad.

Stills, if healthy, would be a great signing. Might possibly be our 2nd best WR second he walks through the door.

Lions fire GM and HC.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

28 Nov 2020 14:07

Lions fire GM and HC.

Took them long enough.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

28 Nov 2020 14:07

Lions fire GM and HC.

Bummer.

Damn, was really hoping he's pull...ahh who am I joking.

Christo wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2020 08:01

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2020 03:19

Christo wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2020 20:04

Anytime somebody says, Sterling didn't play long enough, I reply, what about Terrell Davis? If he's in the HOF because he was on 2 Superbowl winning teams, then why not put Marv Fleming in there?

I’ll agree with you there. I never understood how Davis got in. He had four good years with one of those being all time great. Only 7 players are in the 2k club after all. Still not enough for me. Whoever was pulling for Davis really sold him well to make it.

I never got to watch Fleming play. I can’t comment much but as the TE position has changed and become more flashy I would say based on the numbers he doesn’t deserve it either.

In all fairness, I was being a bit sarcastic bringing up Fleming because the only reason for Davis being in the HOF is playing on 2 super bowl winning teams.
Fleming played on multiple super bowl winning teams, 4 rings total.
Add that Sterling Sharpe played at an outstanding level until his neck injury and you can see the hypocrisy of the HOF selection committee.

We've talked about this subject at length previously on the old board......this longevity argument should have been squelched the day Gale Sayers was voted in. Sterling Sharpe's situation is very similar......... people! Think people think! Sayers --> 7 seasons. 5 times All-Pro, 5 times Pro Bowl. 5 productive seasons total. Sharpe --> 7 seasons. 3 times All-Pro, 5 times Pro Bowl, 7 productive seasons total. Then look at Harold Carmichael who just got in...........never All-Pro, 4 Pro Bowls, never more than 67 receptions in a season. Bob Hayes ..... 2 times All-Pro and 3 Pro Bowls, never more than 64 receptions. Isaac Bruce --> ZERO All-Pros, 4 Pro Bowls. Think people think!

The Steve Atwater over Leroy Butler selection makes no sense either. Someone has an affinity toward the Broncos for some reason.

If Terrell Davis got in then let's champion for John Brockington (which admittedly makes little sense too). Brockington had three 1,000 yard seasons and 4 productive seasons overall (one time All-Pro and 3 Pro Bowls) . Terrell Davis had 4 productive seasons overall (All-Pro 3 times and 3 Pro Bowls).

They finally let Bobby Dillon in (4 times All-Pro). Look at this stats.........they're amazing. Besides Leroy Butler.........I am still waiting for Gale Gillingham to get in as well. Bill Forester was All-Pro 3 times........4 Pro Bowls. Roger Wehrli got in with 3 All-Pro selections and 6 Pro Bowls. Donnie Shell got in with 3 All-Pros and 5 Pro Bowls. Leroy Butler has 4 All-Pros and 4 Pro Bowls. C'mon people.........please think think think.

Denver has no QBs for this week's game. Covid exposure.