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Right. But Savage isn't a good player.
And inconsistent lack of desire.Papa John wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 17:33I am willing to compromise and retain him as a reserve player, but honestly, if an NFL safety struggles that much in Cover 1, why the hell is he a safety? I've always wondered this.Yoop wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 16:55how about right after the 60 plus yard pick 6 against dallas, that way he wouldn't have been around for that pick drop against the niners, just saying good players drop easy catches too, how about tae's drop in the ez of a po game? no one id perfect, and Savage is a better player then Brady allowed him to be, last season under Pettine he was one of the best last part of season.
just struggles in cover 1
I am becoming more convinced that football IQ, and not measurables, is the primary determining factor in whether an NFL safety will be successful. Doesn't matter how fast or quick twitch the guy is, if he is too slow upstairs, that extra second he will have to take to process information in real time is going to negate any physical advantage that he had.
This applies to Savage IMO, I just think he lacks the football IQ to succeed in this league.
Let's pretend like I hold players' play accountable like you hold position of round drafted according to "yoop's needs list" accountable.
Don't worry .......... be happy. Hafley will fix all of this before the regular season starts.Papa John wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 17:33I am willing to compromise and retain him as a reserve player, but honestly, if an NFL safety struggles that much in Cover 1, why the hell is he a safety? I've always wondered this.Yoop wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 16:55how about right after the 60 plus yard pick 6 against dallas, that way he wouldn't have been around for that pick drop against the niners, just saying good players drop easy catches too, how about tae's drop in the ez of a po game? no one id perfect, and Savage is a better player then Brady allowed him to be, last season under Pettine he was one of the best last part of season.
just struggles in cover 1
I am becoming more convinced that football IQ, and not measurables, is the primary determining factor in whether an NFL safety will be successful. Doesn't matter how fast or quick twitch the guy is, if he is too slow upstairs, that extra second he will have to take to process information in real time is going to negate any physical advantage that he had.
This applies to Savage IMO, I just think he lacks the football IQ to succeed in this league.
In most situations, I don't buy the "whoever wants it more" theory. I think in general, obviously "wanting it more" can help drive motivation which can allow someone to practice and prepare for a greater period of time than they otherwise would, but when it comes to key plays like that, I don't think "wanting it more" is much of a factor. If anything, "wanting it more" can set people up to be overly aggressive in the moment or choke under the pressure.go pak go wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 19:06And inconsistent lack of desire.Papa John wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 17:33I am willing to compromise and retain him as a reserve player, but honestly, if an NFL safety struggles that much in Cover 1, why the hell is he a safety? I've always wondered this.Yoop wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 16:55
how about right after the 60 plus yard pick 6 against dallas, that way he wouldn't have been around for that pick drop against the niners, just saying good players drop easy catches too, how about tae's drop in the ez of a po game? no one id perfect, and Savage is a better player then Brady allowed him to be, last season under Pettine he was one of the best last part of season.
just struggles in cover 1
I am becoming more convinced that football IQ, and not measurables, is the primary determining factor in whether an NFL safety will be successful. Doesn't matter how fast or quick twitch the guy is, if he is too slow upstairs, that extra second he will have to take to process information in real time is going to negate any physical advantage that he had.
This applies to Savage IMO, I just think he lacks the football IQ to succeed in this league.
The Falcons deep throw that Savage should have picked in Atlanta this year Week 2 was RIGHT in from of me. I thought that ball was picked. It was a dumb throw. Savage was in position. I started jumping while the ball was in the air. Everyone saw it.
Except Savage pussy footed it. It was one of the worst plays I have ever seen. He just didn't want the ball. I couldn't believe it. He was over for me right in that moment.
And I loved Savage. I loved the pick. I rooted hard for him. But he just doesn't want it consistently. I saw flashes the 2nd half of the year but the dropped pick was the final swing. I lean towards moving on.
Again, we’re talking about a maximum of like C 40%, not a full time thing.lake shark wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 19:28If we are going to play man single high would the second safety basically be playing slot CB against spread formations? I feel like the offense would try to iso the weak link and that’d be Savage or Stokes.
well imo most safety's struggle in single high, thats why their in such high demand, thats why we see so much cover 2 or quarters defense, Savage got a 25 ranking this season, out of probably 50 safety's that played enough snaps to be ranked, and will possibly be the highest ranked UFA Safety this off season, why people think he'll sign a vet minimum contract doesn't make sense to me, with Pettine in 2 high safety Savage did well.Papa John wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 17:33I am willing to compromise and retain him as a reserve player, but honestly, if an NFL safety struggles that much in Cover 1, why the hell is he a safety? I've always wondered this.Yoop wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 16:55how about right after the 60 plus yard pick 6 against dallas, that way he wouldn't have been around for that pick drop against the niners, just saying good players drop easy catches too, how about tae's drop in the ez of a po game? no one id perfect, and Savage is a better player then Brady allowed him to be, last season under Pettine he was one of the best last part of season.
just struggles in cover 1
I am becoming more convinced that football IQ, and not measurables, is the primary determining factor in whether an NFL safety will be successful. Doesn't matter how fast or quick twitch the guy is, if he is too slow upstairs, that extra second he will have to take to process information in real time is going to negate any physical advantage that he had.
This applies to Savage IMO, I just think he lacks the football IQ to succeed in this league.
and you think taking plays off or passive play was unique to just Savage this season? imo it was a constant with a few different players, which includes Gary, Clark, Alexander, Smith, I'am sure there are morego pak go wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 19:06And inconsistent lack of desire.Papa John wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 17:33I am willing to compromise and retain him as a reserve player, but honestly, if an NFL safety struggles that much in Cover 1, why the hell is he a safety? I've always wondered this.Yoop wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 16:55
how about right after the 60 plus yard pick 6 against dallas, that way he wouldn't have been around for that pick drop against the niners, just saying good players drop easy catches too, how about tae's drop in the ez of a po game? no one id perfect, and Savage is a better player then Brady allowed him to be, last season under Pettine he was one of the best last part of season.
just struggles in cover 1
I am becoming more convinced that football IQ, and not measurables, is the primary determining factor in whether an NFL safety will be successful. Doesn't matter how fast or quick twitch the guy is, if he is too slow upstairs, that extra second he will have to take to process information in real time is going to negate any physical advantage that he had.
This applies to Savage IMO, I just think he lacks the football IQ to succeed in this league.
The Falcons deep throw that Savage should have picked in Atlanta this year Week 2 was RIGHT in from of me. I thought that ball was picked. It was a dumb throw. Savage was in position. I started jumping while the ball was in the air. Everyone saw it.
Except Savage pussy footed it. It was one of the worst plays I have ever seen. He just didn't want the ball. I couldn't believe it. He was over for me right in that moment.
And I loved Savage. I loved the pick. I rooted hard for him. But he just doesn't want it consistently. I saw flashes the 2nd half of the year but the dropped pick was the final swing. I lean towards moving on.
I think Savage will get $5M.flapackfan wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 20:36Savage is getting a higher than vet minimum contract from some GM/HC who thinks he can be a better player in a different system. He will have option(s).
He's getting $5+ million from us cause we pushed some money out to him. So for the first year he could take minimum and then whatever he thinks he could get after. Might be interested in doing a 2 year deal with a 3rd year option for him. Food for thought.flapackfan wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 20:36Savage is getting a higher than vet minimum contract from some GM/HC who thinks he can be a better player in a different system. He will have option(s).
That's a really good point. He's going to cost almost $5.5 on the 2024 cap if he isn't on the roster.Trudge wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 20:52He's getting $5+ million from us cause we pushed some money out to him. So for the first year he could take minimum and then whatever he thinks he could get after. Might be interested in doing a 2 year deal with a 3rd year option for him. Food for thought.flapackfan wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 20:36Savage is getting a higher than vet minimum contract from some GM/HC who thinks he can be a better player in a different system. He will have option(s).
Another bad contract by Gute. He said today he has no problem back loading contracts for big cap hits later. We'll, now Bak and Savage alone will cost like $25 million against the cap and not even be on the team.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 21:04That's a really good point. He's going to cost almost $5.5 on the 2024 cap if he isn't on the roster.Trudge wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 20:52He's getting $5+ million from us cause we pushed some money out to him. So for the first year he could take minimum and then whatever he thinks he could get after. Might be interested in doing a 2 year deal with a 3rd year option for him. Food for thought.flapackfan wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 20:36Savage is getting a higher than vet minimum contract from some GM/HC who thinks he can be a better player in a different system. He will have option(s).
What we owe him has already been paid to him in a prorated signing bonus.Trudge wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 20:52He's getting $5+ million from us cause we pushed some money out to him. So for the first year he could take minimum and then whatever he thinks he could get after. Might be interested in doing a 2 year deal with a 3rd year option for him. Food for thought.flapackfan wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024 20:36Savage is getting a higher than vet minimum contract from some GM/HC who thinks he can be a better player in a different system. He will have option(s).
