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Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 21 Apr 2020 15:55
by Yoop
BF004 wrote: ↑20 Apr 2020 13:56
Rumors of the Chiefs trading up for Ruggs.
First reaction, yikes.
After thinking about it, let them double down on the speed at one position and waste several valuable picks not restocking other areas of their team with currently no cap space and a QB on a rookie contract about to get 40 million per.
Just a matter of time where you will start losing talent on the OL and D due to lack of money and picks when the piper comes a piping.
Andy knows how to treat a stud QB
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 21 Apr 2020 16:02
by BF004
Yoop wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020 15:55
BF004 wrote: ↑20 Apr 2020 13:56
Rumors of the Chiefs trading up for Ruggs.
First reaction, yikes.
After thinking about it, let them double down on the speed at one position and waste several valuable picks not restocking other areas of their team with currently no cap space and a QB on a rookie contract about to get 40 million per.
Just a matter of time where you will start losing talent on the OL and D due to lack of money and picks when the piper comes a piping.
Andy knows how to treat a stud QB
We did that too, we had a historically good offense, 2nd rounder in Nelson, Jennings, Murphy, Cobb, 3rd rounders in Finley and Jones. We had a crap D. Can't win without a D, won't blame Ted for trying, just couldn't pick the right guys.
We won the Super Bowl with a top 5 D. Tom Brady has NEVER won a Super Bowl without a top 5 defense.
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 21 Apr 2020 22:23
by Pugger
salmar80 wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020 15:46
TheGreenMan wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020 15:34
Have we seen anything that indicates that Gronk is coming back? Or is Tampa just trading for the rights? I haven't seen anything, but I have to imagine Tampa wouldn't do this unless they knew for certain.
PFT telling Gronk said he'd only return to play with the Bucs and Brady:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... with-bucs/
BTW, imagine being the Bucs and having the gall to demand a 7th rounder to go with Gronk... That's a GM who'll never say "keep the change" (or one fond of subtle middle fingers).
I find it really curious that 2 of the cornerstones of the Patriots' offensive juggernaut are now gone practically signalling the end of an era. You have to wonder what is going on in Foxborough. It was different when Favre left because we had somebody in the wings to replace him with. NE is going to have to scramble and try to move up to get one of the top QBs in the draft this weekend.
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 22 Apr 2020 07:40
by APB
Man, on paper the Buc's roster looks pretty impressive.
Brady, Gronk, Howard, Brate, Godwin, and Evans on offense. Barrett, Pierre-Paul, Suh, and Vea up front on defense. A capable Bruce Arians as HC.
Lot of big albeit aging names mixed with some young talent. It'll be interesting to see if there is enough in the tank for them to collectively make a run.
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 22 Apr 2020 08:32
by NCF
APB wrote: ↑22 Apr 2020 07:40
Man, on paper the Buc's roster looks pretty impressive.
Brady, Gronk, Howard, Brate, Godwin, and Evans on offense. Barrett, Pierre-Paul, Suh, and Vea up front on defense. A capable Bruce Arians as HC.
Lot of big albeit aging names mixed with some young talent. It'll be interesting to see if there is enough in the tank for them to collectively make a run.
4-12. Watch them crash and burn.
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 22 Apr 2020 08:52
by NCF
BF004 wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020 15:20
Meh, only care if we get OJ Howard as a result.
Just happened to check out Howard's numbers, again, and was reminded that at 6'6", he somehow managed a vertical jump of only 30".
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 22 Apr 2020 09:02
by Yoop
NCF wrote: ↑22 Apr 2020 08:52
BF004 wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020 15:20
Meh, only care if we get OJ Howard as a result.
Just happened to check out Howard's numbers, again, and was reminded that at 6'6", he somehow managed a vertical jump of only 30".
uhh I dont get the ONLY part, 78" + 30" = 108 " add another 30 plus and the tip of his fingers are over 12 foot, that still a very big catch radius
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 22 Apr 2020 09:36
by NCF
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Apr 2020 09:02
NCF wrote: ↑22 Apr 2020 08:52
BF004 wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020 15:20
Meh, only care if we get OJ Howard as a result.
Just happened to check out Howard's numbers, again, and was reminded that at 6'6", he somehow managed a vertical jump of only 30".
uhh I dont get the ONLY part, 78" + 30" = 108 " add another 30 plus and the tip of his fingers are over 12 foot, that still a very big catch radius
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/oj-howard
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 22 Apr 2020 09:43
by salmar80
Pugger wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020 22:23
I find it really curious that 2 of the cornerstones of the Patriots' offensive juggernaut are now gone practically signalling the end of an era. You have to wonder what is going on in Foxborough. It was different when Favre left because we had somebody in the wings to replace him with. NE is going to have to scramble and try to move up to get one of the top QBs in the draft this weekend.
That and the Buccaneers' season will have some GREAT storylines.
Belichick has plenty enough job security to do whatever he wants from totally tanking it to actually trying to make it work with Stidham, a draft pick, or a after draft QB signing. This season will be so different from before, that the fan base should be excited with anything new after years and years of "boring" expected success with TB12.
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 22 Apr 2020 11:40
by APB
NCF wrote: ↑22 Apr 2020 08:52
BF004 wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020 15:20
Meh, only care if we get OJ Howard as a result.
Just happened to check out Howard's numbers, again, and was reminded that at 6'6", he somehow managed a vertical jump of only 30".
His other "burst" numbers seem more in line with the athlete many thought he was/is. I wonder if his vertical measure is more a result of bad technique or random poor test outlier?
Code: Select all
Measurable Measurement %tile
Height 6' 6" 87
Weight 251 lbs 39
Arm Length 33¾" 77
Hand Size 10" 59
40 Yard Dash 4.51s 96
Vertical Jump 30" 18
Broad Jump 121" 84
3-Cone Drill 6.85s 92
20 Yard Shuttle 4.16s 89
60 Yard Shuttle 11.46s 94
Bench Press 22 reps 66
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 22 Apr 2020 11:53
by BF004
I checked and he chose not to jump at his proday but did workout.
So guessing that might just be his range rather than an outlier.
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 22 Apr 2020 12:53
by Yoop
NCF wrote: ↑22 Apr 2020 09:36
Yoop wrote: ↑22 Apr 2020 09:02
NCF wrote: ↑22 Apr 2020 08:52
Just happened to check out Howard's numbers, again, and was reminded that at 6'6", he somehow managed a vertical jump of only 30".
uhh I dont get the ONLY part, 78" + 30" = 108 " add another 30 plus and the tip of his fingers are over 12 foot, that still a very big catch radius
https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/oj-howard
thanks, when ya compare 30" is about 3 under average, I still don't think it really says much, Kelce, Witten, a few others are only 32" and there pretty good, sometimes I think the numbers can be mis leading.
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 23 Apr 2020 11:34
by YoHoChecko
Trey Burton signed with the Colts and I am sad. Would have been a really nice fit for us.
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 24 Apr 2020 08:38
by APB
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑23 Apr 2020 11:34
Trey Burton signed with the Colts and I am sad. Would have been a really nice fit for us.
Yeah, I was really high on him when he was with the Eagles. I'm not quite as high on him anymore but would have still liked to have him on our roster.
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 24 Apr 2020 14:02
by paco
Laremy Tunsil
3 years, $66M, $50M guaranteed, $40M due at signing.
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 24 Apr 2020 14:06
by YoHoChecko
paco wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020 14:02
Laremy Tunsil
3 years, $66M, $50M guaranteed, $40M due at signing.
Plus, the pick that was used to draft Jordan Love was included in that deal!
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 11:10
by paco
Trent Williams is being traded to the 49ers. 5th this year, 3rd next year.
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 12:22
by TheGreenMan
paco wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020 14:02
Laremy Tunsil
3 years, $66M, $50M guaranteed, $40M due at signing.
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 13:01
by NCF
paco wrote: ↑24 Apr 2020 14:02
Laremy Tunsil
3 years, $66M, $50M guaranteed, $40M due at signing.
Adds another interesting layer to our negotiations with Bak.
Re: Cheese Curds - 2020 - News Around The League
Posted: 25 Apr 2020 14:12
by Waldo
APB wrote: ↑22 Apr 2020 11:40
NCF wrote: ↑22 Apr 2020 08:52
BF004 wrote: ↑21 Apr 2020 15:20
Meh, only care if we get OJ Howard as a result.
Just happened to check out Howard's numbers, again, and was reminded that at 6'6", he somehow managed a vertical jump of only 30".
His other "burst" numbers seem more in line with the athlete many thought he was/is. I wonder if his vertical measure is more a result of bad technique or random poor test outlier?
Code: Select all
Measurable Measurement %tile
Height 6' 6" 87
Weight 251 lbs 39
Arm Length 33¾" 77
Hand Size 10" 59
40 Yard Dash 4.51s 96
Vertical Jump 30" 18
Broad Jump 121" 84
3-Cone Drill 6.85s 92
20 Yard Shuttle 4.16s 89
60 Yard Shuttle 11.46s 94
Bench Press 22 reps 66
Bit late, but it looks like a technique issue to be.
The broad jump and vertical jump largely measure the same thing, leg explosion. The broad jump is a 45 degree vertical jump and uses a bit more posterior strength (deadlift) than quad strength (squat). But there is logically and actually a very strong relationship between them; a 10' broad jump typically coresponds to a 35" vertical. Outliers at either tend to point to technique issues moreso than anything.
Tho its said that white dudes can't jump and its not atypical for white guys to have a worse vertical than their broad jump would suggest.
There is also a S&C program element, some programs produce crappy jumpers for some reason (poor explosion training possibly? dunno). LSU was a classic example back when I paid a lot of attention to the draft in the mid-00's.
The 10 yd split is also typically closely correlated with vertical and broad. Its another measure of the same thing albeit with different technique.