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Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 10:34
by Drj820
Labrev wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 10:06
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 09:14
e likes the wiley vet that can read his mind and knows the game. He would rather have less physical traits and more mental traits (cobb) than speed and no brain. Its why he also likes Lazard and like Whitewater Jesus so much. So to enter the year with the two vets who cant stay on the field and a cast of rookies was always a disaster waiting to happen.
We would still be in this situation if we traded up for a 1st round receiver.
Yeah, and I would call that a Rodgers problem, not a GM problem.
He likes slow JAGs, well good for him; we still need a guy like MVS or Christian Watson on the field in some situations, even if they are not 95% reliable.
He was not-so-subtly implying we needed to cut Doubs's reps after last week. And take our most dynamic WR off the field, when we have no one else with remotely as much ability?
The guy just didn't understand the task before him when he returned knowing Adams would be gone. We had to "do more with less" to make it work this season. If he wasn't up for that, he shouldn't have come back to this team.
But hey, he's being paid a lot of money to !@#$ the season away so... good for him.
it is a rodgers problem, but its also a GM problem because Rodgers has been on the team for over 15 years AND everyone knows how he is. So the GM needs to field a team that compliments the 50m dollar man.
Additionally, while I agree no rookie would be a veteran on day 1, there were options that could help quickly that werent FCS projects with good measurables. Honestly Watson is the Rashan Gary of WRs. We can hope by about year 3 his elite traits shine and he becomes elite. Problem is that with Gary we had the Smiths, with Watson, we had no one up ahead.
I would have traded a 1 and 2 to get further up in draft, but at worst I loved George Pickens. He was NFL ready. We passed on him for a chior boy because George sprayed a water bottle on an opponent.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 10:37
by Drj820
go pak go wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 10:27
Labrev wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 10:06
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 09:14
We would still be in this situation if we traded up for a 1st round receiver.
Yeah, and I would call that a Rodgers problem, not a GM problem.
He likes slow JAGs, well good for him; we still need a guy like MVS or Christian Watson on the field in some situations, even if they are not 95% reliable.
He was not-so-subtly implying we needed to cut Doubs's reps after last week. And take our most dynamic WR off the field, when we have no one else with remotely as much ability?
The guy just didn't understand the task before him when he returned knowing Adams would be gone. We had to "do more with less" to make it work this season. If he wasn't up for that, he shouldn't have come back to this team.
But hey, he's being paid a lot of money to !@#$ the season away so... good for him.
This is a very good post.
it is a good post, but everyone knows how rodgers is. The GM should especially know. The GM who paid the guy 50m should not have paid him if he cant put guys around him who compliment his style. It should be easy enough anyways. These old slow vets are cheap
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 10:39
by Yoop
Labrev wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 10:06
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 09:14
e likes the wiley vet that can read his mind and knows the game. He would rather have less physical traits and more mental traits (cobb) than speed and no brain. Its why he also likes Lazard and like Whitewater Jesus so much. So to enter the year with the two vets who cant stay on the field and a cast of rookies was always a disaster waiting to happen.
We would still be in this situation if we traded up for a 1st round receiver.
Yeah, and I would call that a Rodgers problem, not a GM problem.
He likes slow JAGs, well good for him; we still need a guy like MVS or Christian Watson on the field in some situations, even if they are not 95% reliable.
He was not-so-subtly implying we needed to cut Doubs's reps after last week. And take our most dynamic WR off the field, when we have no one else with remotely as much ability?
The guy just didn't understand the task before him when he returned knowing Adams would be gone. We had to "do more with less" to make it work this season. If he wasn't up for that, he shouldn't have come back to this team.
But hey, he's being paid a lot of money to !@#$ the season away so... good for him.
sorry Labrev, I don't agree, Rodgers wants good receivers, it's just that simple, since 2018 he's been given very very raw prospects ( three stooges), basically same thing this year, and he probably wanted AJ Brown over the oft injured Watkins, probably the biggest reason we didn't trade him was because Guty new Rodgers would maybe !@#$ and moan, but that would be it, after all look at the BS WR situation he's put up with for half a decade simply to get his wish to retire as a GB Packer, what this FO has done to Rodgers I don't think Brady, and some other top guys would stand for, one quality receiver the last 6 years, in my opinion that is QB abuse to put it civilly .
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 10:41
by BF004
Yeah, I'm pist at everyone.
Hated, despised the Love pick. Totally agree we are simultaneously going all in and planning for the future. I'm all for keeping a very strong eye on the future, but that was dumb.
Our WR position has been obvious for years. We've been trade deadline and 1st round candidates for a WR since like 2019, we did nothing for 3 years, then didn't resign Davante, MVS, or even EQ. Kind of an embarrassment from Gute, really. Like what could you possibly think would happen?
We have so much talent on D, we should be playing much better. Production wise they aren't awful, and they are getting zero help from the O, but they just keep getting beat by the same thing, no change or adjustments, very limited turnovers. This unit can be and should be better.
The &%$@ luck we've had on OL. Again, we have a ton of talent there. Even still when Bak is out there, he's been amazing. Can't get Elgton back healthy and playing where he should be. I mean those are your two guys you need out there every snap. Thank gosh they finally put Newman on the bench. I think its been obvious Tom hasn't been completely ready to go, but I still applaud the change. But again, another unit that needs to play better.
Last two issues fall a ton of coaching, short of Newman, maybe Dean Lowry and Savage, I don't think we have bad players anywhere. Nothing like we've had to deal with in the past to better success. Coaches gotta find a way to hide these guys and keep them in favorable positions. They need to make the sum greater than the parts, and our parts are quite good.
Pist at Aaron, stupid offseason drama, taking a bajillion dollars then then act disappointed we don't add a FA or make a big trade. Skip offseason activities then complain there is no chemistry in September.
And then this year, we have some bad luck, &%$@ penalties, just a dumb turnovers, special teams gaffes, awful referee calls.
I don't know, other than the WR mismanagement and drafting Love, its mostly just a lot of small things, some in our control, some not. But a lot of smaller things all adding up to create a disaster.
Guess I just can't get behind to assign all, or a majority of the blame to just one of the FO, coaches, players or QB. It's definitely all of them contributing to a bad situation.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 10:54
by LombardiTime
Labrev wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 10:06
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 09:14
e likes the wiley vet that can read his mind and knows the game. He would rather have less physical traits and more mental traits (cobb) than speed and no brain. Its why he also likes Lazard and like Whitewater Jesus so much. So to enter the year with the two vets who cant stay on the field and a cast of rookies was always a disaster waiting to happen.
We would still be in this situation if we traded up for a 1st round receiver.
Yeah, and I would call that a Rodgers problem, not a GM problem.
He likes slow JAGs, well good for him; we still need a guy like MVS or Christian Watson on the field in some situations, even if they are not 95% reliable.
He was not-so-subtly implying we needed to cut Doubs's reps after last week. And take our most dynamic WR off the field, when we have no one else with remotely as much ability?
The guy just didn't understand the task before him when he returned knowing Adams would be gone. We had to "do more with less" to make it work this season. If he wasn't up for that, he shouldn't have come back to this team.
But hey, he's being paid a lot of money to !@#$ the season away so... good for him.
If, as you assert and I don't disagree, Rodgers and his contract are a problem, how is the GM (or maybe Murphy if you think he made the call) not also a problem given that the GM is the one who just inked Rodgers to a huge new contract?
Blaming Rodgers while absolving the GM, who made the decision in 2022 for Rodgers to be the Packer QB going forward, makes about as much sense to me as absolving Matt Lafleur for Joe Barry's poor coaching despite the fact Matt is the one who hired him.
No one put a gun to Gute's head to sign Rodgers (and plenty of Packer fans including myself wanted him traded) just like no one put a gun to Lafleur's head to hired Joe Barry.
Gute and Lafleur are responsible for those decisions and it is time to stop passing the buck.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 11:00
by Yoop
BF004 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 10:41
Yeah, I'm pist at everyone.
Hated, despised the Love pick. Totally agree we are simultaneously going all in and planning for the future. I'm all for keeping a very strong eye on the future, but that was dumb.
Our WR position has been obvious for years. We've been trade deadline and 1st round candidates for a WR since like 2019, we did nothing for 3 years, then didn't resign Davante, MVS, or even EQ. Kind of an embarrassment from Gute, really. Like what could you possibly think would happen?
We have so much talent on D, we should be playing much better. Production wise they aren't awful, and they are getting zero help from the O, but they just keep getting beat by the same thing, no change or adjustments, very limited turnovers. This unit can be and should be better.
The &%$@ luck we've had on OL. Again, we have a ton of talent there. Even still when Bak is out there, he's been amazing. Can't get Elgton back healthy and playing where he should be. I mean those are your two guys you need out there every snap. Thank gosh they finally put Newman on the bench. I think its been obvious Tom hasn't been completely ready to go, but I still applaud the change. But again, another unit that needs to play better.
Last two issues fall a ton of coaching, short of Newman, maybe Dean Lowry and Savage, I don't think we have bad players anywhere. Nothing like we've had to deal with in the past to better success. Coaches gotta find a way to hide these guys and keep them in favorable positions. They need to make the sum greater than the parts, and our parts are quite good.
Pist at Aaron, stupid offseason drama, taking a bajillion dollars then then act disappointed we don't add a FA or make a big trade. Skip offseason activities then complain there is no chemistry in September.
And then this year, we have some bad luck, &%$@ penalties, just a dumb turnovers, special teams gaffes, awful referee calls.
I don't know, other than the WR mismanagement and drafting Love, its mostly just a lot of small things, some in our control, some not. But a lot of smaller things all adding up to create a disaster.
Guess I can't get behind to assign all, or a majority of the blame, to the FO, coaches, players or QB. It's definitely all of them contributing to a bad situation.
Great post, I agree, and I'am a broken record concerning receivers so I wont harp further on that.
I think the decision to pay a little extra for a proven ST's cord was a wiser decision then bringing in a assistant lbers coach with a track record of failure his other two times as a DC and saving a buck, I know a 34 scheme is dependent on the play of the lbers, but Berry puts to much stress on ours, prior we didn't have 2 that could stay on the field for 3rd down, and we where run on, now Berry's D fronts make it near impossible for our lbers to stay clean and make tackles, so even though we have two very good ILBs watch how slow they are late in games, Berry has to go back to being just a position assistant, I'd promote Gray tomorrow, and show him some money
I was shocked we didn't go after a WR yesterday, DR J nailed Watson as a Gary drafted clone, two years from now, after Rodgers is gone, WAtson may become a all pro.
the 2nd half against the Bills looked better, but the Bills in the first half played diffeently then they did the 2nd half, Detroit has been feisty, we'll have to see how we do against them.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 11:08
by Pckfn23
BF004 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 10:41
Yeah, I'm pist at everyone.
Hated, despised the Love pick. Totally agree we are simultaneously going all in and planning for the future. I'm all for keeping a very strong eye on the future, but that was dumb.
Our WR position has been obvious for years. We've been trade deadline and 1st round candidates for a WR since like 2019, we did nothing for 3 years, then didn't resign Davante, MVS, or even EQ. Kind of an embarrassment from Gute, really. Like what could you possibly think would happen?
We have so much talent on D, we should be playing much better. Production wise they aren't awful, and they are getting zero help from the O, but they just keep getting beat by the same thing, no change or adjustments, very limited turnovers. This unit can be and should be better.
The &%$@ luck we've had on OL. Again, we have a ton of talent there. Even still when Bak is out there, he's been amazing. Can't get Elgton back healthy and playing where he should be. I mean those are your two guys you need out there every snap. Thank gosh they finally put Newman on the bench. I think its been obvious Tom hasn't been completely ready to go, but I still applaud the change. But again, another unit that needs to play better.
Last two issues fall a ton of coaching, short of Newman, maybe Dean Lowry and Savage, I don't think we have bad players anywhere. Nothing like we've had to deal with in the past to better success. Coaches gotta find a way to hide these guys and keep them in favorable positions. They need to make the sum greater than the parts, and our parts are quite good.
Pist at Aaron, stupid offseason drama, taking a bajillion dollars then then act disappointed we don't add a FA or make a big trade. Skip offseason activities then complain there is no chemistry in September.
And then this year, we have some bad luck, &%$@ penalties, just a dumb turnovers, special teams gaffes, awful referee calls.
I don't know, other than the WR mismanagement and drafting Love, its mostly just a lot of small things, some in our control, some not. But a lot of smaller things all adding up to create a disaster.
Guess I just can't get behind to assign all, or a majority of the blame to just one of the FO, coaches, players or QB. It's definitely all of them contributing to a bad situation.
Also want to speak to the injury situation at WR. Putting our eggs in the basket of Watkins and Cobb wasn't smart, but being down Watkins, Cobb, and Watson put an already thin position in a very bad spot.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 11:15
by go pak go
BF004 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 10:41
Yeah, I'm pist at everyone.
Hated, despised the Love pick. Totally agree we are simultaneously going all in and planning for the future. I'm all for keeping a very strong eye on the future, but that was dumb.
Our WR position has been obvious for years. We've been trade deadline and 1st round candidates for a WR since like 2019, we did nothing for 3 years, then didn't resign Davante, MVS, or even EQ. Kind of an embarrassment from Gute, really. Like what could you possibly think would happen?
We have so much talent on D, we should be playing much better. Production wise they aren't awful, and they are getting zero help from the O, but they just keep getting beat by the same thing, no change or adjustments, very limited turnovers. This unit can be and should be better.
The &%$@ luck we've had on OL. Again, we have a ton of talent there. Even still when Bak is out there, he's been amazing. Can't get Elgton back healthy and playing where he should be. I mean those are your two guys you need out there every snap. Thank gosh they finally put Newman on the bench. I think its been obvious Tom hasn't been completely ready to go, but I still applaud the change. But again, another unit that needs to play better.
Last two issues fall a ton of coaching, short of Newman, maybe Dean Lowry and Savage, I don't think we have bad players anywhere. Nothing like we've had to deal with in the past to better success. Coaches gotta find a way to hide these guys and keep them in favorable positions. They need to make the sum greater than the parts, and our parts are quite good.
Pist at Aaron, stupid offseason drama, taking a bajillion dollars then then act disappointed we don't add a FA or make a big trade. Skip offseason activities then complain there is no chemistry in September.
And then this year, we have some bad luck, &%$@ penalties, just a dumb turnovers, special teams gaffes, awful referee calls.
I don't know, other than the WR mismanagement and drafting Love, its mostly just a lot of small things, some in our control, some not. But a lot of smaller things all adding up to create a disaster.
Guess I just can't get behind to assign all, or a majority of the blame to just one of the FO, coaches, players or QB. It's definitely all of them contributing to a bad situation.
How dare you. I want simple answers.
FIRE GUTE!!! been sayin' it for years.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 11:17
by go pak go
Another thing I can't get over is watching Z Smith be awesome in MN. I can't help but link the 2021 Rodgers drama to not extending Smith at the right time.
So seeing MN flourish with Z Smith is a tough pill to swallow.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 11:37
by Labrev
Yoop wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 10:39
Rodgers wants good receivers, it's just that simple
Yes, him and every other QB ever.
what this FO has done to Rodgers I don't think Brady, and some other top guys would stand for, one quality receiver the last 6 years,
Brady took this group to a SuperBowl and won: Danny Amendola, Julian Edelman, Michael Floyd, Chris Hogan, Malcolm Mitchell, Matthew Slater (Special Teams-only WR), Martellus Bennett (TE), Matt Lengel (TE); Gronk was on IR.
Literally, one quality receiver. And it's an undersized slot guy at that, not a prototype WR1 ala Adams as Rodgers has had for years. That's why Brady is the GOAT and the more talented Rodgers isn't.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 11:47
by Drj820
BF004 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 10:41
Yeah, I'm pist at everyone.
Hated, despised the Love pick. Totally agree we are simultaneously going all in and planning for the future. I'm all for keeping a very strong eye on the future, but that was dumb.
Our WR position has been obvious for years. We've been trade deadline and 1st round candidates for a WR since like 2019, we did nothing for 3 years, then didn't resign Davante, MVS, or even EQ. Kind of an embarrassment from Gute, really. Like what could you possibly think would happen?
We have so much talent on D, we should be playing much better. Production wise they aren't awful, and they are getting zero help from the O, but they just keep getting beat by the same thing, no change or adjustments, very limited turnovers. This unit can be and should be better.
The &%$@ luck we've had on OL. Again, we have a ton of talent there. Even still when Bak is out there, he's been amazing. Can't get Elgton back healthy and playing where he should be. I mean those are your two guys you need out there every snap. Thank gosh they finally put Newman on the bench. I think its been obvious Tom hasn't been completely ready to go, but I still applaud the change. But again, another unit that needs to play better.
Last two issues fall a ton of coaching, short of Newman, maybe Dean Lowry and Savage, I don't think we have bad players anywhere. Nothing like we've had to deal with in the past to better success. Coaches gotta find a way to hide these guys and keep them in favorable positions. They need to make the sum greater than the parts, and our parts are quite good.
Pist at Aaron, stupid offseason drama, taking a bajillion dollars then then act disappointed we don't add a FA or make a big trade. Skip offseason activities then complain there is no chemistry in September.
And then this year, we have some bad luck, &%$@ penalties, just a dumb turnovers, special teams gaffes, awful referee calls.
I don't know, other than the WR mismanagement and drafting Love, its mostly just a lot of small things, some in our control, some not. But a lot of smaller things all adding up to create a disaster.
Guess I just can't get behind to assign all, or a majority of the blame to just one of the FO, coaches, players or QB. It's definitely all of them contributing to a bad situation.
Great post and we found points to agree on
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 11:50
by lupedafiasco
Labrev wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 11:37
Yoop wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 10:39
Rodgers wants good receivers, it's just that simple
Yes, him and every other QB ever.
what this FO has done to Rodgers I don't think Brady, and some other top guys would stand for, one quality receiver the last 6 years,
Brady took this group to a SuperBowl and won: Danny Amendola, Julian Edelman, Michael Floyd, Chris Hogan, Malcolm Mitchell, Matthew Slater (Special Teams-only WR), Martellus Bennett (TE), Matt Lengel (TE); Gronk was on IR.
Literally, one quality receiver. And it's an undersized slot guy at that, not a prototype WR1 ala Adams as Rodgers has had for years. That's why Brady is the GOAT and the more talented Rodgers isn't.
First of all that group of receivers is considerably better than what we have. Bennett is better than Tonyan. Edelman and Amendola are both better than anything we have to offer.
The other thing is Brady’s defenses were all significantly better and allowed him to stick around in close games or play with a lead. This team gives away points on early drives and then wears down in the second half.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 11:50
by Drj820
LombardiTime wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 10:54
Labrev wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 10:06
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 09:14
We would still be in this situation if we traded up for a 1st round receiver.
Yeah, and I would call that a Rodgers problem, not a GM problem.
He likes slow JAGs, well good for him; we still need a guy like MVS or Christian Watson on the field in some situations, even if they are not 95% reliable.
He was not-so-subtly implying we needed to cut Doubs's reps after last week. And take our most dynamic WR off the field, when we have no one else with remotely as much ability?
The guy just didn't understand the task before him when he returned knowing Adams would be gone. We had to "do more with less" to make it work this season. If he wasn't up for that, he shouldn't have come back to this team.
But hey, he's being paid a lot of money to !@#$ the season away so... good for him.
If, as you assert and I don't disagree, Rodgers and his contract are a problem, how is the GM (or maybe Murphy if you think he made the call) not also a problem given that the GM is the one who just inked Rodgers to a huge new contract?
Blaming Rodgers while absolving the GM, who made the decision in 2022 for Rodgers to be the Packer QB going forward, makes about as much sense to me as absolving Matt Lafleur for Joe Barry's poor coaching despite the fact Matt is the one who hired him.
No one put a gun to Gute's head to sign Rodgers (and plenty of Packer fans including myself wanted him traded) just like no one put a gun to Lafleur's head to hired Joe Barry.
Gute and Lafleur are responsible for those decisions and it is time to stop passing the buck.
Bingo. The choice is either pay the man knowing his faults and find him some old vets to help him succeed, or move on because of his faults and use that money elsewhere.
Both GM decisions.
Paying him and then asking him to do what we know he’s not built for is just dumb
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 11:55
by Yoop
Labrev wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 11:37
Yoop wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 10:39
Rodgers wants good receivers, it's just that simple
Yes, him and every other QB ever.
what this FO has done to Rodgers I don't think Brady, and some other top guys would stand for, one quality receiver the last 6 years,
Brady took this group to a SuperBowl and won: Danny Amendola, Julian Edelman, Michael Floyd, Chris Hogan, Malcolm Mitchell, Matthew Slater (Special Teams-only WR), Martellus Bennett (TE), Matt Lengel (TE); Gronk was on IR.
Literally, one quality receiver. And it's an undersized slot guy at that, not a prototype WR1 ala Adams as Rodgers has had for years. That's why Brady is the GOAT and the more talented Rodgers isn't.
apples to oranges, Amendola, Edelman and the rest fit the schemes NE used, it was the same with Gronk and Hernandez, Rodgers has had Adams and thats been about it, and we use more WC scheme, ya have to have more then just one receiver that excels in the schemes used.
I get you hate Rodgers and his contract, but ya better get used to it, and he didn't lose our PO games, in 2020 PO loss Adams and the other receiver dropped 7 passes, Rodger has become a go to scape goat for the negligence of our GM.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 11:59
by Drj820
go pak go wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 11:17
Another thing I can't get over is watching Z Smith be awesome in MN. I can't help but link the 2021 Rodgers drama to not extending Smith at the right time.
So seeing MN flourish with Z Smith is a tough pill to swallow.
I agree. But all this has to fall on the FO. They should have told rodgers to kick rocks, but they couldn’t because they whiffed on Love. They know they whiffed on him even if some here don’t know that yet. If they thought Love had “it”, they would have been in position to trade 12.
I firmly believe the uncertainty of rodgers drama and us delaying the contract talks with adams also cost us Adams. So all that cost us at least adams and Z. Z was a great Packer, we cut him like he sucked.
No way In hell do I think it’s all on the GM. It’s coaching, SOME bad luck, but not really…I mean every team has injuries and we’ve been VERY lucky in that dept under Lafleur.
But a lot of it comes down to having to bend the knee to 12 because of the love whiff, and paying a qb as if you are all in…while still holding onto picks for the future and even worse…drafting for the future.
The lack of direction and hedge to the future was terrible management
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 12:02
by Pckfn23
Drj820 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 11:59
I mean every team has injuries and we’ve been VERY lucky in that dept under Lafleur.
Except for last year and this year...
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 12:18
by Drj820
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 12:02
Drj820 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 11:59
I mean every team has injuries and we’ve been VERY lucky in that dept under Lafleur.
Except for last year and this year...
I still think overall weve been pretty lucky compared to the McCarthy years. I remember times it felt like half the starters were missing in those days.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 12:19
by Labrev
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 11:50
First of all that group of receivers is considerably better than what we have. Bennett is better than Tonyan. Edelman and Amendola are both better than anything we have to offer.
The other thing is Brady’s defenses were all significantly better and allowed him to stick around in close games or play with a lead. This team gives away points on early drives and then wears down in the second half.
I was responding to the idea that Brady would bitch at the FO if he was only given one quality receiver. Yet he basically only had one receiver in 2016.
And no, he did not bellyache to his boss about the lack of weapons and point the finger at everywhere but himself (like Rodgers), he just decided to nut up and make it work.
Edelman, a slot receiver, is not the difference between winning a SuperBowl and being sub-.500. The QB is. Rodgers had way better than that for years in Adams.
Rodgers can't hold Brady's jockstrap.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 12:22
by Labrev
Also significant, the Pats made up for their lack of weapons at WR how? They employed a heavy rotation of RBs and involved them a lot in the passing game. The sad part is, despite rostering many RBs that year, all of them combined are not even close to as talented as Jones and Dillon alone, much less if you add Hill to the mix.
If we really want to go player-for-player though....
-- Amendola, pfft, decent undersized shifty receiver who's made out of glass. We have that in Cobb.
-- Lazard is a starter on that team over Hogan.
-- Mitchell was a young, inexperienced guy; Doubs is way more talented.
-- Floyd was a scrub by that point.
-- Bennett better than Tonyan, who cares? TE is to Rodgers what X receiver is to Favre, position they never throw to because it didn't fit their playing style (Favre liked to throw over the middle; Rodgers does not). Rodgers got to play with Bennett and didn't make much use him. Belichick/Brady probably would have made Tonyan look like a ProBowler.
Re: Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022
Posted: 02 Nov 2022 12:32
by Pckfn23
Drj820 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 12:18
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 12:02
Drj820 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2022 11:59
I mean every team has injuries and we’ve been VERY lucky in that dept under Lafleur.
Except for last year and this year...
I still think overall weve been pretty lucky compared to the McCarthy years. I remember times it felt like half the starters were missing in those days.
In 2019 and 2020, absolutely. The past year and a half, not so much. A lot of starter time lost.