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Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 08:29

2018 OSU Defense - 53rd, 25.5 points per game
2019 OSU Defense - 4th, 13.7 points per game
2020 OSU Defense - 44th, 25.8 points per game

2019 Boston College Defense - 101st, 32.2 points per game
2020 Boston College Defense - 60th, 28.4 points per game
2021 Boston College Defense - 31st, 22.2 points per game
2022 Boston College Defense - 100th, 30.3 points per game
2023 Boston College Defense - 86th, 28.3 points per game

What are we showing?

BF004 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 08:56

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 08:29

2018 OSU Defense - 53rd, 25.5 points per game
2019 OSU Defense - 4th, 13.7 points per game
2020 OSU Defense - 44th, 25.8 points per game

2019 Boston College Defense - 101st, 32.2 points per game
2020 Boston College Defense - 60th, 28.4 points per game
2021 Boston College Defense - 31st, 22.2 points per game
2022 Boston College Defense - 100th, 30.3 points per game
2023 Boston College Defense - 86th, 28.3 points per game

What are we showing?

reason to not like the Hafley hire

Boston College is obviously not a great place to make a name for a coach, could say it's a coach ruin er, so dependent on luring in very average national talent, sleepers actually, he still took it to respectability in 2021, at OSU they had a respectable defense his 2nd season, to me when he had talent he produced results, no one can minus talent.

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:09

What are we showing?

reason to not like the Hafley hire

I don’t think that is the case.

BF004 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:35

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:09

What are we showing?

reason to not like the Hafley hire

I don’t think that is the case.

That is not the case. He's just

His 1 year at OSU was their best defensive year by far.
His first 2 years at BC saw vast improvement, then fell off. I wonder if the 3rd year he was less involved in the D as he had talked about in interviews or what the reasoning was.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:40

BF004 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:35

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:09

reason to not like the Hafley hire

I don’t think that is the case.

That is not the case. He's just

It may have not been your intention, but thats how it's perceived, 2 solid defensive seasons out of 8, most fans jump to poor hire when seeing stats like this, are you going to deny that, and right back at you

if your going to bring stats like that and it's not your intention to bad paint a guy then say so, give reasons for bringing his coaching record, or anyone would say what I did.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:40

BF004 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:35

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:09

reason to not like the Hafley hire

I don’t think that is the case.

That is not the case. He's just

His 1 year at OSU was their best defensive year by far.
His first 2 years at BC saw vast improvement, then fell off. I wonder if the 3rd year he was less involved in the D as he had talked about in interviews or what the reasoning was.

Sounds like head coaches aren't really involved in coaching anymore period since the transfer portal and NIL. It was bad enough before with just recruiting high school kids.

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:47

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:40

BF004 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:35

I don’t think that is the case.

That is not the case. He's just

It may have not been your intention, but thats how it's perceived, 2 solid defensive seasons out of 8, most fans jump to poor hire when seeing stats like this, are you going to deny that, and right back at you

if your going to bring stats like that and it's not your intention to bad paint a guy then say so, give reasons for bringing his coaching record, or anyone would say what I did.

It was asked by YoHo and BF earlier in this thread:

1. What were OSU's defensive rankings before and after Hafley left?
2. Same for BC's stats

Pckfn23 simply brought in the data. Yes Pckfn23 should have had better headings on his data which lead to BF's questioning of the data. But you also answered a question you clearly didn't know which led to more confusion.

go pak go wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:56

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:47

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:40

That is not the case. He's just

It may have not been your intention, but thats how it's perceived, 2 solid defensive seasons out of 8, most fans jump to poor hire when seeing stats like this, are you going to deny that, and right back at you

if your going to bring stats like that and it's not your intention to bad paint a guy then say so, give reasons for bringing his coaching record, or anyone would say what I did.

It was asked by YoHo and BF earlier in this thread:

1. What were OSU's defensive rankings before and after Hafley left?
2. Same for BC's stats

Pckfn23 simply brought in the data. Yes Pckfn23 should have had better headings on his data which lead to BF's questioning of the data. But you also answered a question you clearly didn't know which led to more confusion.

when, 2 days ago? we all read how he's struggled at other stops in his career, and mostly do to lack of talent, I simply answered 004's question in the most obvious manor. and 23 didn't clarify till after my response, and the record points towards failure to the unobservant fan, it was not my intent to insult 23, yet he likes to throw haymakers my way

see none of this stuff means a hill of beans to anyone with knowledge of how college ball works these last 10 or so years, (Wally) or to a person such as myself that realizes the evolution of offense limits even more the ability to hide a weak position, OC burn midnight oil deep diving into every player in the up coming game each week, devising schemes to explore them.

the point is that Hafley was behind the 8-ball attempting to polish mostly turds 6 of those 8 seasons, I mean isn't that obvious to all of us? sure is me, those records imo don't mean to much

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:47

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:40

BF004 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:35

I don’t think that is the case.

That is not the case. He's just

It may have not been your intention, but thats how it's perceived, 2 solid defensive seasons out of 8, most fans jump to poor hire when seeing stats like this, are you going to deny that, and right back at you

if your going to bring stats like that and it's not your intention to bad paint a guy then say so, give reasons for bringing his coaching record, or anyone would say what I did.

For 1, only 5 of those 8 years did Hafley coach at those schools. I falsely assumed people by now new that he coached at OSU in 2019 and then BC from 2020 to 2023. You perceived it the way because you like to .

Unlike you, I don't usually jump to conclusion. I like to look at data, look at examples and ask questions. Unfortunately, you think questions are offensive.

I brought the defensive points per game rankings for his tenures and the years immediately before and after him. It's for conversation and I almost always share the things I look up and ponder over. If I am going to do the work, I might as well share it out.

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 10:20

the point is that Hafley was behind the 8-ball attempting to polish mostly turds 6 of those 8 seasons, I mean isn't that obvious to all of us? sure is me, those records imo don't mean to much

Wrong again. Might want to understand what you are looking at before making conclusions. That would help IMMENSELY.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 10:51

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 10:20

the point is that Hafley was behind the 8-ball attempting to polish mostly turds 6 of those 8 seasons, I mean isn't that obvious to all of us? sure is me, those records imo don't mean to much

Wrong again. Might want to understand what you are looking at before making conclusions. That would help IMMENSELY.

bo ho, what would help EMMENSELY is for you to bring stats that show what they claim to, I admit to overlooking that he's marked down at coaching for both in 2019, so why bring a stat showing he did?

as to your questions, typically there condescending, mostly to provoke a argument, that much I understand, and I sure as hell don't know what any of this exposes about our new DC other then what I already said.

again I simply answered 004 with what appeared obvious answer

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 11:08

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 10:51

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 10:20

the point is that Hafley was behind the 8-ball attempting to polish mostly turds 6 of those 8 seasons, I mean isn't that obvious to all of us? sure is me, those records imo don't mean to much

Wrong again. Might want to understand what you are looking at before making conclusions. That would help IMMENSELY.

bo ho, what would help EMMENSELY is for you to bring stats that show what they claim to, I admit to overlooking that he's marked down at coaching for both in 2019, so why bring a stat showing he did?

as to your questions, typically there condescending, mostly to provoke a argument, that much I understand, and I sure as hell don't know what any of this exposes about our new DC other then what I already said.

again I simply answered 004 with what appeared obvious answer

What claim? I didn't claim anything.

I didn't bring a stat that showed he coached for both in 2019... Wow... I brought stats showing defensive points per game for both schools while he was there and the years just before and after. Again, please try to understand what you are looking at before making conclusions. You shouldn't have to have had this spelled out for you at this point.

Questions are used to clarify. Your perceptions hold you back from having good conversations.

It wasn't the obvious answer because you had no idea what you were looking at. And you made a conclusion off that. [mention]BF004[/mention] asked a clarifying question. I didn't take offense. His question was answered.

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 11:08

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 10:51

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 10:20

the point is that Hafley was behind the 8-ball attempting to polish mostly turds 6 of those 8 seasons, I mean isn't that obvious to all of us? sure is me, those records imo don't mean to much

Wrong again. Might want to understand what you are looking at before making conclusions. That would help IMMENSELY.

bo ho, what would help EMMENSELY is for you to bring stats that show what they claim to, I admit to overlooking that he's marked down at coaching for both in 2019, so why bring a stat showing he did?

Read posts and you would know the answer.

go pak go wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:56

It was asked by YoHo and BF earlier in this thread:

1. What were OSU's defensive rankings before and after Hafley left?
2. Same for BC's stats

Pckfn23 simply brought in the data. Yes Pckfn23 should have had better headings on his data which lead to BF's questioning of the data. But you also answered a question you clearly didn't know which led to more confusion.

The whole point was to show the program's results before, during, and after Hafley was there. That way you can see what impact Hafley had on the results.

Was his defense good at Ohio State becuase it is Ohio State? Or did Hafley make Ohio State better or worse than normal during his time there?

Same question for BC which is what Pckfn23 brought to help spark conversation.

y Pckfn23 » Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:29 am

2018 OSU Defense - 53rd, 25.5 points per game
2019 OSU Defense - 4th, 13.7 points per game
2020 OSU Defense - 44th, 25.8 points per game

2019 Boston College Defense - 101st, 32.2 points per game
2020 Boston College Defense - 60th, 28.4 points per game
2021 Boston College Defense - 31st, 22.2 points per game
2022 Boston College Defense - 100th, 30.3 points per game
2023 Boston College Defense - 86th, 28.3 points per game


this left a lot to the imagination, it doesn't explain any of your intentions about anything, just maybe a little clarity would help

go pak go wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 11:21

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 11:08

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 10:51

Wrong again. Might want to understand what you are looking at before making conclusions. That would help IMMENSELY.

bo ho, what would help EMMENSELY is for you to bring stats that show what they claim to, I admit to overlooking that he's marked down at coaching for both in 2019, so why bring a stat showing he did?

Read posts and you would know the answer.

go pak go wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:56

It was asked by YoHo and BF earlier in this thread:

1. What were OSU's defensive rankings before and after Hafley left?
2. Same for BC's stats

Pckfn23 simply brought in the data. Yes Pckfn23 should have had better headings on his data which lead to BF's questioning of the data. But you also answered a question you clearly didn't know which led to more confusion.

The whole point was to show the program's results before, during, and after Hafley was there. That way you can see what impact Hafley had on the results.

Was his defense good at Ohio State becuase it is Ohio State? Or did Hafley make Ohio State better or worse than normal during his time there?

Same question for BC which is what Pckfn23 brought to help spark conversation.

guilty for simply answering a question, Guilty for not looking 2 or 3 pages back for the question.

again the reason for Hafleys struggles in those programs is so obvious, no one needs this stuff to understand that, and it really doesn't explain anything.

you guys as always are just looking for a fight

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 11:26

y Pckfn23 » Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:29 am

2018 OSU Defense - 53rd, 25.5 points per game
2019 OSU Defense - 4th, 13.7 points per game
2020 OSU Defense - 44th, 25.8 points per game

2019 Boston College Defense - 101st, 32.2 points per game
2020 Boston College Defense - 60th, 28.4 points per game
2021 Boston College Defense - 31st, 22.2 points per game
2022 Boston College Defense - 100th, 30.3 points per game
2023 Boston College Defense - 86th, 28.3 points per game


this left a lot to the imagination, it doesn't explain any of your intentions about anything, just maybe a little clarity would help

There weren't any intentions and it was supposed to be left to the imagination. Your mentality simply leads you to draw personal conclusions all the time instead of just reading and digesting the information before you. You may always post things with an agenda, but I do not. A lot of the time I just like to share information I find.

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 11:31

go pak go wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 11:21

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 11:08

bo ho, what would help EMMENSELY is for you to bring stats that show what they claim to, I admit to overlooking that he's marked down at coaching for both in 2019, so why bring a stat showing he did?

Read posts and you would know the answer.

go pak go wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 09:56

It was asked by YoHo and BF earlier in this thread:

1. What were OSU's defensive rankings before and after Hafley left?
2. Same for BC's stats

Pckfn23 simply brought in the data. Yes Pckfn23 should have had better headings on his data which lead to BF's questioning of the data. But you also answered a question you clearly didn't know which led to more confusion.

The whole point was to show the program's results before, during, and after Hafley was there. That way you can see what impact Hafley had on the results.

Was his defense good at Ohio State becuase it is Ohio State? Or did Hafley make Ohio State better or worse than normal during his time there?

Same question for BC which is what Pckfn23 brought to help spark conversation.

guilty for simply answering a question, Guilty for not looking 2 or 3 pages back for the question.

again the reason for Hafleys struggles in those programs is so obvious, no one needs this stuff to understand that, and it really doesn't explain anything.

you guys as always are just looking for a fight

Who said he struggled????

That very question proves it is not us, but you sir.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 08:29

2018 OSU Defense - 53rd, 25.5 points per game
2019 OSU Defense - 4th, 13.7 points per game
2020 OSU Defense - 44th, 25.8 points per game

2019 Boston College Defense - 101st, 32.2 points per game
2020 Boston College Defense - 60th, 28.4 points per game
2021 Boston College Defense - 31st, 22.2 points per game
2022 Boston College Defense - 100th, 30.3 points per game
2023 Boston College Defense - 86th, 28.3 points per game

Who would have thought the above would lead to this...

Yoop wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2024 11:26

y Pckfn23 » Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:29 am

2018 OSU Defense - 53rd, 25.5 points per game
2019 OSU Defense - 4th, 13.7 points per game
2020 OSU Defense - 44th, 25.8 points per game

2019 Boston College Defense - 101st, 32.2 points per game
2020 Boston College Defense - 60th, 28.4 points per game
2021 Boston College Defense - 31st, 22.2 points per game
2022 Boston College Defense - 100th, 30.3 points per game
2023 Boston College Defense - 86th, 28.3 points per game


this left a lot to the imagination, it doesn't explain any of your intentions about anything, just maybe a little clarity would help

Its clear as day. You get the defensive ranking before, during, and after his arrival for both schools.