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Re: Packers Salary Cap
Posted: 10 Mar 2021 10:03
by go pak go
BSA wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 09:58
go pak go wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 09:51
That's not exciting information.
Kicking the can down the road never made more sense than it does right now. In the past, teams could count on about a $10M increase in the cap each year and planned accordingly. So while the cap for 2020 was 198M, Gute and the GMs set contracts " knowing" the 2021 cap would be around $210 M based on history. Pandemic blew that deal. So the only reason GB is tight is because they, like all teams planned for $210M in 2021
Going forward, the new TV deals will kick in during the 2022 and 2023 season and the cap growth will be even more than $10M/ yr.
Significantly more. That's why kicking the can now is a much easier pill to swallow than in previous years- the TV induced cap growth will be huge.
Yeah. My whole point is kicking the can down the road still nets us the 2020 Green Bay Packers without a CB2, without our All Pro Center and without our 2nd best offensive weapon.
Kicking the can down the road still means the 2021 Packers don't have financial resources to plug 2020 holes and doesn't have resources to retain some of our 2020 best players.
That's what I mean by not exciting information.
Re: Packers Salary Cap
Posted: 10 Mar 2021 10:03
by BF004
BSA wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 09:58
go pak go wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 09:51
That's not exciting information.
Kicking the can down the road never made more sense than it does right now. In the past, teams could count on about a $10M increase in the cap each year and planned accordingly. So while the cap for 2020 was 198M, Gute and the GMs set contracts " knowing" the 2021 cap would be around $210 M based on history. Pandemic blew that deal. So the only reason GB is tight is because they, like all teams planned for $210M in 2021
Going forward, the new TV deals will kick in during the 2022 and 2023 season and the cap growth will be even more than $10M/ yr.
Significantly more. That's why kicking the can now is a much easier pill to swallow than in previous years- the TV induced cap growth will be huge.
And I'm all for taking a one year big dump when we move on from Aaron, reset the cap, then start to build around Love. I wouldn't expect to compete for a SB his first year starting, so maybe also just dump our aging guys, Za'Darius, Amos and the like, along with Aaron, maybe even Davante or Bak as they begin to age, free up a ton of cap space going into Love's sophomore year to get guys younger and more tailored to our new team we can then build around long term.
I'd rather try 90% to win in 2021 and 2022 and 5% in 2023 with Love, rather than 80% in 2021 and 2022 and 30% in 2023.
Re: Packers Salary Cap
Posted: 10 Mar 2021 10:11
by go pak go
BF004 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 10:03
BSA wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 09:58
go pak go wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 09:51
That's not exciting information.
Kicking the can down the road never made more sense than it does right now. In the past, teams could count on about a $10M increase in the cap each year and planned accordingly. So while the cap for 2020 was 198M, Gute and the GMs set contracts " knowing" the 2021 cap would be around $210 M based on history. Pandemic blew that deal. So the only reason GB is tight is because they, like all teams planned for $210M in 2021
Going forward, the new TV deals will kick in during the 2022 and 2023 season and the cap growth will be even more than $10M/ yr.
Significantly more. That's why kicking the can now is a much easier pill to swallow than in previous years- the TV induced cap growth will be huge.
And I'm all for taking a one year big dump when we move on from Aaron, reset the cap, then start to build around Love. I wouldn't expect to compete for a SB his first year starting, so maybe also just dump our aging guys, Za'Darius, Amos and the like, along with Aaron, maybe even Davante or Bak as they begin to age, free up a ton of cap space going into Love's sophomore year to get guys younger and more tailored to our new team we can then build around long term.
I'd rather try 90% to win in 2021 and 2022 and 5% in 2023 with Love, rather than 80% in 2021 and 2022 and 30% in 2023.
I agree with this. But again. That whole Ken Ingalls post basically states even if we do all this kicking can sh*t....we get $7 million.
That don't get you much. Even this year it don't likely get you much and honestly likely don't get the 2021 or 2022 Packers better than the 2020 Packers.
Our success now is dependent on draft picks, the 2019 and 2020 draft classes taking their jumps and our new defensive scheme working really well. Money can't buy our team wins these next two years.
Re: Packers Salary Cap
Posted: 10 Mar 2021 10:23
by BF004
We can do a ton more kicking, some might not be the smartest.
But making trading for a Gilmore or going big for some CB or WR in FA.
Don’t really want to go into next year with Josh Jackson, Kadar Hollman and some random rookies as our CB plan. Will inevitably be our downfall. Want to see us at least try.
Re: Packers Salary Cap
Posted: 10 Mar 2021 10:29
by NCF
BF004 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 10:23
We can do a ton more kicking, some might not be the smartest.
But making trading for a Gilmore or going big for some CB or WR in FA.
Don’t really want to go into next year with Josh Jackson, Kadar Hollman and some random rookies as our CB plan. Will inevitably be our downfall. Want to see us at least try.
A Jaire Alexander extension could make a ton of sense. $3M+ cap hit this year and $13M-ish 5th-year option next year as a starting point. Can get both years down and with two years of team control can probably get an early offer discount on the whole term. Still will be expensive, but it's only going to get worse.
Re: Packers Salary Cap
Posted: 10 Mar 2021 10:40
by go pak go
The rumor is we are going to be extending Z Smith and the news will be coming in the next day or two.
Re: Packers Salary Cap
Posted: 10 Mar 2021 10:45
by paco
go pak go wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 10:40
The rumor is we are going to be extending Z Smith and the news will be coming in the next day or two.
When a player tweets that he wants to be a Packer for life, those rumors do get started.
Re: Packers Salary Cap
Posted: 10 Mar 2021 11:09
by Pckfn23
go pak go wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 10:11
BF004 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 10:03
BSA wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 09:58
Kicking the can down the road never made more sense than it does right now. In the past, teams could count on about a $10M increase in the cap each year and planned accordingly. So while the cap for 2020 was 198M, Gute and the GMs set contracts " knowing" the 2021 cap would be around $210 M based on history. Pandemic blew that deal. So the only reason GB is tight is because they, like all teams planned for $210M in 2021
Going forward, the new TV deals will kick in during the 2022 and 2023 season and the cap growth will be even more than $10M/ yr.
Significantly more. That's why kicking the can now is a much easier pill to swallow than in previous years- the TV induced cap growth will be huge.
And I'm all for taking a one year big dump when we move on from Aaron, reset the cap, then start to build around Love. I wouldn't expect to compete for a SB his first year starting, so maybe also just dump our aging guys, Za'Darius, Amos and the like, along with Aaron, maybe even Davante or Bak as they begin to age, free up a ton of cap space going into Love's sophomore year to get guys younger and more tailored to our new team we can then build around long term.
I'd rather try 90% to win in 2021 and 2022 and 5% in 2023 with Love, rather than 80% in 2021 and 2022 and 30% in 2023.
I agree with this. But again. That whole Ken Ingalls post basically states even if we do all this kicking can sh*t....we get $7 million.
That don't get you much. Even this year it don't likely get you much and honestly likely don't get the 2021 or 2022 Packers better than the 2020 Packers.
Our success now is dependent on draft picks, the 2019 and 2020 draft classes taking their jumps and our new defensive scheme working really well. Money can't buy our team wins these next two years.
Restructure Aaron - Save $12 million
Cut Preston Smith - Save $12 Million
Ken Ingalls didn't look at the complete picture.
Re: Packers Salary Cap
Posted: 10 Mar 2021 11:12
by BSA
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 11:09
Ken Ingalls didn't look at the complete picture.
He probably looked at the full picture, but he only posted the most likely stuff. If you go through player by player...there's a lot more space available than portrayed in his tweets
Re: Packers Salary Cap
Posted: 10 Mar 2021 11:15
by paco
That post was just one suggestion by Ken that included keeping both Smiths. Cutting Preston does clear more cap space. But I think he and others still are of the mind that Preston might be sticking around.
Re: Packers Salary Cap
Posted: 10 Mar 2021 11:18
by Pckfn23
BSA wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 11:12
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 11:09
Ken Ingalls didn't look at the complete picture.
He probably looked at the full picture, but he only posted the most likely stuff. If you go through player by player...there's a lot more space available than portrayed in his tweets
I would say not looking at cutting Preston Smith would be an oversight. They save about $5.5 million by turning base/roster into bonus. That right there, with a Rodgers bonus, would be the $7 million without doing anything else. Restructuring Z Smith along could save another $8 million. So without cutting anyone, and turning roster/base into bonus for 3 players, that's $15 million under the cap.