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APB wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2022 09:33

File this under the “for what it’s worth” category:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Packers are likely to place the franchise tag on Davante Adams in 2022.

Adams is a free agent at the end of the year and has wanted to be the league's highest-paid wide receiver for some time. With 28 touchdowns and over 2,700 receiving yards in the past two years, there's no doubt that he deserves the hefty contract he's asking for. The Packers are projected to be tens of millions of dollars over the cap next year but Aaron Rodgers' status with the team could change things. Even if Rodgers and the Packers part ways, the team appears set on keeping its star receiver.

Isn’t Rodgers’ current contract stipulating that the Pack pays him something like $47,000,000 for next year? If so, I don’t see any way that Rodgers is a Packer next year unless there’s a major re-do on his contract. Is that even possible?

Aren’t Tonyan (coming off major injury) and Zedarius (coming off major injury) almost certain to be released (along with Cobb and a couple of others) if we try to keep Rodgers and Adams?

APB wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2022 09:33

File this under the “for what it’s worth” category:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Packers are likely to place the franchise tag on Davante Adams in 2022.

Adams is a free agent at the end of the year and has wanted to be the league's highest-paid wide receiver for some time. With 28 touchdowns and over 2,700 receiving yards in the past two years, there's no doubt that he deserves the hefty contract he's asking for. The Packers are projected to be tens of millions of dollars over the cap next year but Aaron Rodgers' status with the team could change things. Even if Rodgers and the Packers part ways, the team appears set on keeping its star receiver.

Tagging Adams requires the absolute most hemorrhaging of contracts of any available scenario, because you can't trade Rodgers' contract until the new league year, you have to tag a player before the new league year, and you have to be in cap compliance at the start of the new league year. If this is truly the plan, the roster next year will be difficult to recognize.

That said, I WANT to tag Adams and give him a year with our 2-3 new rookies we will add to the position, teach them how to play the position right. I'd like to keep him longer-term, but at the price he commands, I'm not sure that will happen (though I stand by my proposed deal from a couple posts up)

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2022 10:09

APB wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2022 09:33

File this under the “for what it’s worth” category:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Packers are likely to place the franchise tag on Davante Adams in 2022.

Adams is a free agent at the end of the year and has wanted to be the league's highest-paid wide receiver for some time. With 28 touchdowns and over 2,700 receiving yards in the past two years, there's no doubt that he deserves the hefty contract he's asking for. The Packers are projected to be tens of millions of dollars over the cap next year but Aaron Rodgers' status with the team could change things. Even if Rodgers and the Packers part ways, the team appears set on keeping its star receiver.

Tagging Adams requires the absolute most hemorrhaging of contracts of any available scenario, because you can't trade Rodgers' contract until the new league year, you have to tag a player before the new league year, and you have to be in cap compliance at the start of the new league year. If this is truly the plan, the roster next year will be difficult to recognize.

That said, I WANT to tag Adams and give him a year with our 2-3 new rookies we will add to the position, teach them how to play the position right. I'd like to keep him longer-term, but at the price he commands, I'm not sure that will happen (though I stand by my proposed deal from a couple posts up)

Makes you wonder if Gute has considered the one year rebuild, should Rodgers decline the contract offer which is on the table.

In that scenario Gute may recognise we aren't winning the SB next year so cutting the likes of Z, Preston, Lowry etc is no great loss if it means being able to trade Adams and Rodgers and picking top 10 in each round in 2023's excellent draft class.

I don't think they would tag Adams to trade Adams. I think they would tag Adams to keep Adams, if only for a year. Or maybe until the cap is more tenable to giving him the deal he wants. Adams would NOT be happy about the tag, from everything I've seen/heard him say, though, so I'm not sure how well/poorly that would play out.

But yes, I think the 1-year rebuild is on the table. Take our medicine for going all-in this year, stockpile the Rodgers draft picks, retain our young core, and build from there.

I'm concerned it might hollow out our middle class of low-cost veterans who provide locker room and leadership presences, but hopefully we'd continue to find bargain gems like Campbell and Rasul to fill those gaps.

I will say, if we plan to tag Adams, don't expect deals to be reached for guys like Rasul and Campbell prior to letting them test free agency--and that could even apply to guys like Tonyan. We simply won't have the space to sign them before the Rodgers trade; though we may reach agreements in principle and simply not execute them until day 2 of free agency if we have a Rodgers trade worked out. That's if we're moving on from Rodgers and tagging Adams, which is just one of many many possible outcomes.

Honestly it could be a very fun offseason of speculation and rancor and possibilities.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2022 10:53

I don't think they would tag Adams to trade Adams. I think they would tag Adams to keep Adams, if only for a year. Or maybe until the cap is more tenable to giving him the deal he wants. Adams would NOT be happy about the tag, from everything I've seen/heard him say, though, so I'm not sure how well/poorly that would play out.

But yes, I think the 1-year rebuild is on the table. Take our medicine for going all-in this year, stockpile the Rodgers draft picks, retain our young core, and build from there.

I'm concerned it might hollow out our middle class of low-cost veterans who provide locker room and leadership presences, but hopefully we'd continue to find bargain gems like Campbell and Rasul to fill those gaps.

I will say, if we plan to tag Adams, don't expect deals to be reached for guys like Rasul and Campbell prior to letting them test free agency--and that could even apply to guys like Tonyan. We simply won't have the space to sign them before the Rodgers trade; though we may reach agreements in principle and simply not execute them until day 2 of free agency if we have a Rodgers trade worked out. That's if we're moving on from Rodgers and tagging Adams, which is just one of many many possible outcomes.

Honestly it could be a very fun offseason of speculation and rancor and possibilities.

It's going to be a great off-season. So much to get excited about whatever happens.

Like the Stafford trade, we could have a trade lined up for Rodgers as soon as January if we wanted. So why can't we have trades for Rodgers and Adams ready to go for 00:01 on Day 1 of the league year which would then instantly give us the cap space to attempt the re-signing of Douglas/Campbell etc?

I think having Adams on the 2022 roster greatly improves our team's chances of rebuilding more quickly as his approach to the game will wear off on whatever young WRs we bring in, while also giving Love a security blanket #1 target in year one as a starter, enhancing the chances that he finds a rhythm and doesn't get his confidence shaken playing with a bunch of inexperienced rookies and practice squad caliber players. I am not on board with an Adams trade scenario. We either can't afford him and he walks without us clearing $20 million in contracts for him, or we keep him, at least for the year. Personally, I prefer an Adams extension, but I understand that his demands are based on a contract (Hopkins) whose value is exaggerated by the new money/new years calculation which we can't replicate for a pending free agent.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2022 11:05

I think having Adams on the 2022 roster greatly improves our team's chances of rebuilding more quickly as his approach to the game will wear off on whatever young WRs we bring in, while also giving Love a security blanket #1 target in year one as a starter, enhancing the chances that he finds a rhythm and doesn't get his confidence shaken playing with a bunch of inexperienced rookies and practice squad caliber players. I am not on board with an Adams trade scenario. We either can't afford him and he walks without us clearing $20 million in contracts for him, or we keep him, at least for the year. Personally, I prefer an Adams extension, but I understand that his demands are based on a contract (Hopkins) whose value is exaggerated by the new money/new years calculation which we can't replicate for a pending free agent.

I guess we're going to differ on that. I'd much rather get a 1st or a player like Jerry Jeudy that Love can build chemistry with than a year at 20m on a hopeless season.

Ultimately it's the coaches that are paid to get our next WRs ready, plus Gute's job to pick ones with good work ethic.

Spending a 1st and 20m in cap space for a year of work experience with Adams is not something I would do.

For Love's long term development, I think it's better to use that pick to draft a stud WR in this WR-rich draft or use on Jeudy and let them start working together now, rather than get Love used to playing with Adams to only lose him for the last pick in the 3rd round.

Also, Adams may be worth a few wins next year. If we're rebuilding with Love I won't really be caring about wins I'll be wanting a top 10 pick. There are other ways of making Love's life a bit easier than spending a 1st rounder and 20m.

Plus, Adams will be so pissed at the Packers if they make him play under the tag, he'll be a terrible example to the locker room anyway.

As I understand it, trading Rodgers prior to the draft saves 19 million. After June 1st it saves 26 million. Not trading him means paying him 46 million next season and that means the Packers lose:
Adams, Tonyan, Cobb, MVS, Douglas, Campbell, King, Z and Preston.
Losing that many good players means that the Packers will not make the playoffs no matter how well Rodgers plays.

Of course the Packers could restructure Rodgers but even so, they cannot keep Adams and Tonyan and the following year it will be difficult to keep Jaire and Jenkins. And then they face to future with a diva QB in inevitable physical decline. The only QB who had been effective at that age is Brady and as we all know, Brady is willing to sacrifice money for the team and Rodgers probably won't. Basically Rodgers is holding a straight flush going into restructure negotiations and the Packers would be best off to fold and trade him.

What I hope happens is that the Packers win the SB and Rodgers gets both the league and SB MVP. Then they trade him after June 1st to a 2021/22 wild card team that got bounced because their QB sucked. Rodgers accepts the trade. The Packers get that team's 1st round pick that is either a WR or a Dlineman. And that team's 2023 1st round pick plus maybe a 3rd.

Then, they resign Tonyan, MVS, Douglas, Campbell and keep both Smiths. Adams leaves but he results in a top Comp pick.

Going into 2023, the Packers start the season with Bakh, Jenkins, Myers, Runyan and Nijman for the Oline with an improved Newman (who has been grading decently in the last few games)and Patrick as backups for RT, Guard and Center and Nijman backing up Bakh. They give Love what he needs, time to find a 2nd receiver. Time to be comfortable. With Jones and Dillon and Hill at RB, the Packers become a run team, a screen team, a short yardage passing team. A team that puts the ball in the endzone after 7 minute drives. And a team with the best D in the league that gets 2 picks in more games than not. A legitimate wild card team that nobody wants to face in the playoffs.

For the 2023 draft the Packers get their own picks, a 3rd round comp pick for Adams, and another 1st and 3rd for Rodgers.

In 2023/24 and beyond, the Packers are a top playoff team even if Love is only average. In fact better if he is only average because then he does not eventually put the Packers into salary cap hell as Rodgers did.

And who knows, maybe they can somehow manage to keep Adams rather than MVS.

Or, they can put all their eggs into AR's basket, start UDFA's at CB, ILB and OLB, watch Rodgers get old and look with envy at the Vikings, Bears and yes, even the Lions.

How can Rapaport possibly know that?

Even if he has a solid source for this, which I doubt because our 'Org is pretty tight-lipped, a lot can change between now and the deadline.

Labrev wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2022 12:38

How can Rapaport possibly know that?

Even if he has a solid source for this, which I doubt because our 'Org is pretty tight-lipped, a lot can change between now and the deadline.

I don’t doubt it’s either a team “source” or Adams’ agent who is behind this tweet. I’m guessing it’s just another salvo in the ongoing public/private contract negotiation.

I could see the relationship between Adams and GB getting VERY icy if they tag him. Adams has said he is not the type to hold out, because he grew up poor and doesnt give money away.

But, this would be doing him pretty dirty. Although it would be a great move from the org perspective. But Adams is getting older, he has a limited time to REALLY cash out. Hes basically been playing at a discount the last couple of years just due to how great he has become. To hold him up from going to get that final big payday and possibly put him at risk of another chance at injury before that long term security opportunity, would be unfortunate for 17.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2022 16:38

I could see the relationship between Adams and GB getting VERY icy if they tag him. Adams has said he is not the type to hold out, because he grew up poor and doesnt give money away.

But, this would be doing him pretty dirty. Although it would be a great move from the org perspective. But Adams is getting older, he has a limited time to REALLY cash out. Hes basically been playing at a discount the last couple of years just due to how great he has become. To hold him up from going to get that final big payday and possibly put him at risk of another chance at injury before that long term security opportunity, would be unfortunate for 17.

I don't really see the Packers making him play under the tag. Either he gets a long term deal with us or we trade him to a team that will give him another pay day.

The Packers don't have the cap room to put out a functioning team with him on the tag, it's just smart business by the Packers to ensure we protect our assets.

British wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2022 19:06

Drj820 wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2022 16:38

I could see the relationship between Adams and GB getting VERY icy if they tag him. Adams has said he is not the type to hold out, because he grew up poor and doesnt give money away.

But, this would be doing him pretty dirty. Although it would be a great move from the org perspective. But Adams is getting older, he has a limited time to REALLY cash out. Hes basically been playing at a discount the last couple of years just due to how great he has become. To hold him up from going to get that final big payday and possibly put him at risk of another chance at injury before that long term security opportunity, would be unfortunate for 17.

I don't really see the Packers making him play under the tag. Either he gets a long term deal with us or we trade him to a team that will give him another pay day.

The Packers don't have the cap room to put out a functioning team with him on the tag, it's just smart business by the Packers to ensure we protect our assets.

Gotta be careful here. The last time a HOF receiver (James Lofton) departed the Green Bay roster we were left with the guys like Phillip Epps, Perry Kemp, Frankie Neal, Walter Stanley ........... Finally drafted Sterling Sharpe in 1989, but by then we fired another coach again. The rebuilding took awhile

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2022 10:53

I don't think they would tag Adams to trade Adams. I think they would tag Adams to keep Adams, if only for a year. Or maybe until the cap is more tenable to giving him the deal he wants. Adams would NOT be happy about the tag, from everything I've seen/heard him say, though, so I'm not sure how well/poorly that would play out.

But yes, I think the 1-year rebuild is on the table. Take our medicine for going all-in this year, stockpile the Rodgers draft picks, retain our young core, and build from there.

I'm concerned it might hollow out our middle class of low-cost veterans who provide locker room and leadership presences, but hopefully we'd continue to find bargain gems like Campbell and Rasul to fill those gaps.

I will say, if we plan to tag Adams, don't expect deals to be reached for guys like Rasul and Campbell prior to letting them test free agency--and that could even apply to guys like Tonyan. We simply won't have the space to sign them before the Rodgers trade; though we may reach agreements in principle and simply not execute them until day 2 of free agency if we have a Rodgers trade worked out. That's if we're moving on from Rodgers and tagging Adams, which is just one of many many possible outcomes.

Honestly it could be a very fun offseason of speculation and rancor and possibilities.

The only reason to tag Adams would be to trade him. Otherwise whats the point? FA compensation the next year?

There are two paths: try and keep the band together and delay the salary cap reckoning for a few more years. Or tear it down and start over (keeping and extending a few key pieces, like Alexander, Rasul, etc.). I don't see how they can field a competitive team with AR and Adams taking up $60+ million salary and $30+ million cap hit (and not sure how you'd do it for less than that cap hit without making a three year tear down inevitable in two years).

I wonder how likely we could be to sign/resign guys after FA starts.

Like if we cut Preston, Amos, Big Dean, Billy Turner, etc, and then resign them after FA starts, cap wise would be no different than extending them early. Could potentially be a way at least make it to the league new year.

Thinks its gotta be the same with Rasul and Campbell. Got let them hit the open market first.



If we end up losing all those guys, to tag and trade Adams, that could be a big hit. I don't know what we could get for Davante, assuming he wants to play with Aaron elsewhere, under this scenario. Like I just don't think a team can give us like 4 first round picks for both of them.


We aren't signing any FA's, so we would get a crappy 3rd round pick in 2023 as a comp pick for him. Just don't think its a shoe in that a tag and trade will net a better return if we end up losing a few quality other guys just to get a slightly better pick in 2022.


Gunna be a nutty offseason no matter what happens.

BF004 wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2022 15:53

If we end up losing all those guys, to tag and trade Adams, that could be a big hit. I don't know what we could get for Davante, assuming he wants to play with Aaron elsewhere, under this scenario. Like I just don't think a team can give us like 4 first round picks for both of them.

can.

I dont see why Adams would demand he plays with 12. I would think he is confident to know that any "good" QB that keep his stats up and keep him happy. He is very easy to connect with. I dont think he would sign up for an awful QB, but there are many not named Aaron Rodgers that can serve him up the ball just fine.

Adams at an $18.5 M number. Rodgers at a $26.5+ M number at least regardless of what we do with Rodgers. Tagging Adams offsets pretty much any cap savings we would get from Rodgers trade or extension.

If we don't want to completely blow it up, tagging is not an option.