Packers Huddle

APB wrote: ↑

21 Dec 2022 21:32

Annie with her week 15 review…

APB wrote: ↑

24 Dec 2022 08:15

Raptorman wrote: ↑

23 Dec 2022 14:58

Labrev wrote: ↑

23 Dec 2022 13:36

So do the Patriots win SuperBowl LI with Brock Purdy as their starting QB for the whole game?

You said: "Brady didn't do anything Brock Purdy isn't doing in San Fran right now" (emphasis mine).

Brady is a slightly above-average QB when his team gives up 20-31 points, he's average when they give up 32 points or more.

As to your question, which Super Bowl are you talking about? My comment was about the regular season. The fact is, only one QB who has won multiple Super Bowls didn't have top 10 defenses during the regular season. And his name wasn't Brady. 67% of Brady's wins during the regular season came when his defense gave up 19 points or less. And 51% of games he played in the defense held the other team to under 19. No other QB comes close. Not Rodgers, not Montona, who also had great defenses. He just didn't play as long as Brady did.

Lost in your basic statistical breakdown is the complimentary football aspect.

Brady's consistent and competent play on the offensive side of the ball throughout all those wins allowed the defense to play to Belichick's preferred style of defense. Rarely was Belichick's defense getting gassed or overextended because they fell into big deficits. Brady kept them in pretty much every game. A defense performs a lot better when the offense also does it's job.

Labrev wrote: ↑

24 Dec 2022 08:29

@Raptorman SuperBowl LI i.e. the fifty-first SuperBowl, the one where New England beat Atlanta.

Put your money where your mouth is. Does New England win that game with Brock Purdy playing QB the whole game?

Raptorman wrote: ↑

24 Dec 2022 16:51

APB wrote: ↑

24 Dec 2022 08:15

Raptorman wrote: ↑

23 Dec 2022 14:58

Brady is a slightly above-average QB when his team gives up 20-31 points, he's average when they give up 32 points or more.

As to your question, which Super Bowl are you talking about? My comment was about the regular season. The fact is, only one QB who has won multiple Super Bowls didn't have top 10 defenses during the regular season. And his name wasn't Brady. 67% of Brady's wins during the regular season came when his defense gave up 19 points or less. And 51% of games he played in the defense held the other team to under 19. No other QB comes close. Not Rodgers, not Montona, who also had great defenses. He just didn't play as long as Brady did.

Lost in your basic statistical breakdown is the complimentary football aspect.

Brady's consistent and competent play on the offensive side of the ball throughout all those wins allowed the defense to play to Belichick's preferred style of defense. Rarely was Belichick's defense getting gassed or overextended because they fell into big deficits. Brady kept them in pretty much every game. A defense performs a lot better when the offense also does it's job.

So, explain the Packers under Rodgers.

APB wrote: ↑

24 Dec 2022 21:15

Raptorman wrote: ↑

24 Dec 2022 16:51

APB wrote: ↑

24 Dec 2022 08:15

Lost in your basic statistical breakdown is the complimentary football aspect.

Brady's consistent and competent play on the offensive side of the ball throughout all those wins allowed the defense to play to Belichick's preferred style of defense. Rarely was Belichick's defense getting gassed or overextended because they fell into big deficits. Brady kept them in pretty much every game. A defense performs a lot better when the offense also does it's job.

So, explain the Packers under Rodgers.

Pretty simple. The Packers defense wasn't coached by Belichick. It's been consistently crappy. Non-complimentary, if you will, thus a lack of championships.

go pak go wrote: ↑

24 Dec 2022 22:33

APB wrote: ↑

24 Dec 2022 21:15

Raptorman wrote: ↑

24 Dec 2022 16:51

So, explain the Packers under Rodgers.

Pretty simple. The Packers defense wasn't coached by Belichick. It's been consistently crappy. Non-complimentary, if you will, thus a lack of championships.

The emphasis is absolutely non complimentary. There have been years the defense did their part in the playoffs only to have the offense not show up. We all know the years. It's about 60% defense let down and 40% offense let down.

But the largest thing under Packers teams with Rodgers is absolutely non complimentary. And then you have the two years where we just didn't belong on the same field (2016 and 2019 NFC Title games)

Yoop wrote: ↑

25 Dec 2022 07:56

go pak go wrote: ↑

24 Dec 2022 22:33

APB wrote: ↑

24 Dec 2022 21:15

Pretty simple. The Packers defense wasn't coached by Belichick. It's been consistently crappy. Non-complimentary, if you will, thus a lack of championships.

The emphasis is absolutely non complimentary. There have been years the defense did their part in the playoffs only to have the offense not show up. We all know the years. It's about 60% defense let down and 40% offense let down.

But the largest thing under Packers teams with Rodgers is absolutely non complimentary. And then you have the two years where we just didn't belong on the same field (2016 and 2019 NFC Title games)

the offense &%$@ the bed in the 2020 loss, 7 dropped passes, one a sure TD, another a probable TD, defense sure did there part in that one, but I agree for most of the decade the defense didn't help the offense enough

to many draft bust with trying to build the defense, I bet it haunted Ted till the day he died.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

25 Dec 2022 23:21

@Raptorman my man, you are out of your depth in your Brady hate. I hate him too, but man is that man a good quarterback of a football team!

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Dec 2022 11:51

It’s about leadership. We never had a leader like belichik for a coach that just wouldn’t stand for some of the bs we’ve dealt with on defense and STs, and leadership at QB. We e never had a Brady.

Raptorman wrote: ↑

25 Dec 2022 23:51

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

25 Dec 2022 23:21

@Raptorman my man, you are out of your depth in your Brady hate. I hate him too, but man is that man a good quarterback of a football team!

Tell us, how many games has Brady won this year when his defense gave up 20 points or more?

But yeah, I'm out of my depth.

Raptorman wrote: ↑

25 Dec 2022 23:51

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

25 Dec 2022 23:21

@Raptorman my man, you are out of your depth in your Brady hate. I hate him too, but man is that man a good quarterback of a football team!

Tell us, how many games has Brady won this year when his defense gave up 20 points or more?

But yeah, I'm out of my depth.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

26 Dec 2022 00:19

Raptorman wrote: ↑

25 Dec 2022 23:51

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

25 Dec 2022 23:21

@Raptorman my man, you are out of your depth in your Brady hate. I hate him too, but man is that man a good quarterback of a football team!

Tell us, how many games has Brady won this year when his defense gave up 20 points or more?

But yeah, I'm out of my depth.

Why are you so crazy focused on this year?

Yoop wrote: ↑

26 Dec 2022 00:08

Raptorman wrote: ↑

25 Dec 2022 23:51

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

25 Dec 2022 23:21

@Raptorman my man, you are out of your depth in your Brady hate. I hate him too, but man is that man a good quarterback of a football team!

Tell us, how many games has Brady won this year when his defense gave up 20 points or more?

But yeah, I'm out of my depth.

you are out of your depth, you know Brady is way past the days when he dominated, and your attempt to make a point that Brady couldn't win with out a top 5 defense is as well.

NE had excellent balance, of potent short WCO, and good to great defense, your on this kick that minus a top 5 or so defense all QB's struggle, or those teams can't win, you keep moving the GP, we all get your point.

PPGD        Record.
QB1
less 20      16-1
20-29        12-8
30+           4-6 
QB2
less 20      21-2
20-29	     13-8
30+	      2-8

QB3 
less 20       8-1
20-29        15-7
30+          4-12  

Yoop wrote: ↑

26 Dec 2022 00:00

Drj820 wrote: ↑

25 Dec 2022 11:51

It’s about leadership. We never had a leader like belichik for a coach that just wouldn’t stand for some of the bs we’ve dealt with on defense and STs, and leadership at QB. We e never had a Brady.

you set the bench mark for success with the best coach and arguably the best QB so you can point out that we didn't reach that mark, when 30 other teams didn't reach it either.

During Capers tenure the talent level took a huge dive since 2010 SB year, year after year we lost all starters at several different positions, thats not a leadership issue, we went consecutive seasons without a starter caliber CB, no GM can stock depth to over come that, not even Belechick, and your bound to bleed run yards minus lbs and safety's, we seemed injury prone on defense year after year along with the poor draft picks

I think it's more then just a lack of leadership, when ya lose starting talent, to often the drop off is enough that DC's scheme up plays to exploit that position, the more backup players the easier that becomes.

IMO those injury plagued seasons caused a tentativeness with physical practice, McCarthy was so worried about injury's he reacted by limiting contact, sorta damned if ya do or don't thing.

Raptorman wrote: ↑

26 Dec 2022 01:18

Yoop wrote: ↑

26 Dec 2022 00:08

Raptorman wrote: ↑

25 Dec 2022 23:51

Tell us, how many games has Brady won this year when his defense gave up 20 points or more?

But yeah, I'm out of my depth.

you are out of your depth, you know Brady is way past the days when he dominated, and your attempt to make a point that Brady couldn't win with out a top 5 defense is as well.

NE had excellent balance, of potent short WCO, and good to great defense, your on this kick that minus a top 5 or so defense all QB's struggle, or those teams can't win, you keep moving the GP, we all get your point.

Really? The last three years. 3 QBs. Pick Bradys

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PPGD        Record.
QB1
less 20      16-1
20-29        12-8
30+           4-6 
QB2
less 20      21-2
20-29	     13-8
30+	      2-8

QB3 
less 20       8-1
20-29        15-7
30+          4-12  

This should be easy. After all, he's the GOAT. These numbers include playoff games as well. So come on. If I'm out of my depth, anyone should be able to pick Brady's numbers from the above three.


The Percentages don't change much during his entire career, why is that so hard for people to understand? But if you don't believe me, prove me wrong. Show me my numbers are wrong.