General Packer News 2021
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Would be really excited to see Love get another shot at home against a less talented defense, but let’s go kick some seahen ass
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Never hear anything from Jenkins as well.
Just goes about his business. For a young player to be the real stable piece on that line for the last few years is impressive.
Just goes about his business. For a young player to be the real stable piece on that line for the last few years is impressive.
There's the punishments. Informational only.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Just watched this week’s episode of “Tuesday’s With Aaron” on the Pat McAfee Show.
Nothing earth shattering. He addressed the fact he may have been perceived as misleading with some of his prior comments about his vaccination status and whatnot. Took full ownership, don’t recall hearing an apology.
I don’t care, personally. Others probably will. Anyway…
Was proud of the way the team fought this week, particularly Jordan. Was very supportive of him, unlike me.
Tough environment, tough opposing coordinator, yada, yada. Watched it as a fan. Did try and guess play calls and checks in real time. Was disappointed with ST play just like the rest of the universe.
He’s been basically heads down with media coverage. He did hear some of the negative rumbles and admitted some was hurtful but he’s not into holding onto hate or any of that. Pat joked that Rodgers will likely never win another MVP based on what some of the voting media put out this week about Rodgers and he just laughed it off and agreed it’ll likely never happen again.
He’s really looking forward to getting back. Has some hurdles to clear health wise but feels good about getting back. All in all he’s feeling good physically and he appeared in a good spot mentally.
Offense will be introduced pre-game this week and you can see there’s some excitement over the reception he’ll get. Rodgers said he is looking forward to it regardless of what’s out there this week media wise.
Nothing earth shattering. He addressed the fact he may have been perceived as misleading with some of his prior comments about his vaccination status and whatnot. Took full ownership, don’t recall hearing an apology.
I don’t care, personally. Others probably will. Anyway…
Was proud of the way the team fought this week, particularly Jordan. Was very supportive of him, unlike me.
Tough environment, tough opposing coordinator, yada, yada. Watched it as a fan. Did try and guess play calls and checks in real time. Was disappointed with ST play just like the rest of the universe.He’s been basically heads down with media coverage. He did hear some of the negative rumbles and admitted some was hurtful but he’s not into holding onto hate or any of that. Pat joked that Rodgers will likely never win another MVP based on what some of the voting media put out this week about Rodgers and he just laughed it off and agreed it’ll likely never happen again.
He’s really looking forward to getting back. Has some hurdles to clear health wise but feels good about getting back. All in all he’s feeling good physically and he appeared in a good spot mentally.
Offense will be introduced pre-game this week and you can see there’s some excitement over the reception he’ll get. Rodgers said he is looking forward to it regardless of what’s out there this week media wise.
Top rated offensive player. Matter of fact, PFF rated three O-Lineman within the top 5 on offense.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists ... at-chiefs/
Offense:
1. LT Elgton Jenkins, 84.9
2. LG Jon Runyan, 80.0
3. TE Marcedes Lewis, 76.0
4. RT Billy Turner, 74.9
5. RB A.J. Dillon, 69.2
Defense:
1. CB Kevin King, 79.2
2. S Darnell Savage, 77.1
3. S Adrian Amos, 70.8
4. OLB Rashan Gary, 68.0
5. OLB Jonathan Garvin, 67.3
I know [mention]lupedafiasco[/mention] will be excited…
With OL grading that high (if PFF is to be trusted), this just all the more shows how abysmal of a coaching performance Lafleur and Hackett put together. We had 3 linemen doing exactly what they were asked to do for a majority of plays, yet the protection was awful. This tells me the strategy did not allow them to succeed, and no adjustments were made in game that would give them new assignments that correlated into quality pass protection.APB wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021 19:47Top rated offensive player. Matter of fact, PFF rated three O-Lineman within the top 5 on offense.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists ... at-chiefs/
Offense:
1. LT Elgton Jenkins, 84.9
2. LG Jon Runyan, 80.0
3. TE Marcedes Lewis, 76.0
4. RT Billy Turner, 74.9
5. RB A.J. Dillon, 69.2
Defense:
1. CB Kevin King, 79.2
2. S Darnell Savage, 77.1
3. S Adrian Amos, 70.8
4. OLB Rashan Gary, 68.0
5. OLB Jonathan Garvin, 67.3
I know @lupedafiasco will be excited…
I Do Not Hate Matt Lafleur
…or how wrecked the right side interior protection was. Oh, and Love, of course.
Thx 4 the summaryAPB wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021 19:42Just watched this week’s episode of “Tuesday’s With Aaron” on the Pat McAfee Show.
Nothing earth shattering. He addressed the fact he may have been perceived as misleading with some of his prior comments about his vaccination status and whatnot. Took full ownership, don’t recall hearing an apology.
I don’t care, personally. Others probably will. Anyway…
Was proud of the way the team fought this week, particularly Jordan. Was very supportive of him, unlike me.
He’s been basically heads down with media coverage. He did hear some of the negative rumbles and admitted some was hurtful but he’s not into holding onto hate or any of that. Pat joked that Rodgers will likely never win another MVP based on what some of the voting media put out this week about Rodgers and he just laughed it off and agreed it’ll likely never happen again.
He’s really looking forward to getting back. Has some hurdles to clear health wise but feels good about getting back. All in all he’s feeling good physically and he appeared in a good spot mentally.
Offense will be introduced pre-game this week and you can see there’s some excitement over the reception he’ll get. Rodgers said he is looking forward to it regardless of what’s out there this week media wise.
2 OL graded higher than any defender, wut. 3 of the top 5 grades.APB wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021 19:47Top rated offensive player. Matter of fact, PFF rated three O-Lineman within the top 5 on offense.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists ... at-chiefs/
Offense:
1. LT Elgton Jenkins, 84.9
2. LG Jon Runyan, 80.0
3. TE Marcedes Lewis, 76.0
4. RT Billy Turner, 74.9
5. RB A.J. Dillon, 69.2
Defense:
1. CB Kevin King, 79.2
2. S Darnell Savage, 77.1
3. S Adrian Amos, 70.8
4. OLB Rashan Gary, 68.0
5. OLB Jonathan Garvin, 67.3
I know @lupedafiasco will be excited…
To each their own man.
meh.Foosball wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021 11:42An interesting observation by Paul Noonan, which has also bothered me while watching LaFleur and Rodgers operate during a game.
Why are the Packers consistently snapping the ball with little to no seconds left on the play clock and how that affects the long passing game. Also the time outs used to prevent a delay of game penalty.
Here is his article;
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2021 ... n-research
Many fans and writers gripe about this "late-snapping" offense - but both AR and MLF have explained their reasoning behind it on several occasions. Start with possessing the ball - by using all of the play clock on most of the downs- the Packers are keeping their defense off the field longer than a quick-snapping team. That's a very good thing. Even a 3 and out for GB takes longer than most other teams. That maximizes possession- and since these Packers have so few turnovers... possession means no scoring for the opponents.
( They learned this lesson during quick- strike 2011)
The main reason Rodgers likes slow play is that he has the chance to fully survey the defense AND get them to declare any blitzes/stunts etc. So he is getting his offense the best possible look at what's coming. Conversely - we can see how bad the OL looks without those added advantages
( see KC game). Defenses go to great lengths to disguise and hide what they are doing- Rodgers is unraveling those obfuscations by squeezing the clock. IF they don't start blitzing & rotating right away- they are neutered and can't get where they are going in time to make a play. So the longer he waits, the harder it is for the defense to deploy their schemes
Another small benefit is that it forces the DL to line up and sit ready on their on their haunches for an extended period of time - because they don't know when the snap is happening for certain. In the article, he suggests the Packers are losing an advantage by waiting until zero- because then the defense knows exactly when the ball will be snapped But typically the DL are head down and not looking at the play clock and it really doesn't matter much for the Safeties or Corners. Tipping your hand to the EDGE players could be an issue - but I haven't seen EDGE guys jumping the play clock ( they jump up & down and point at the zero). The sack stats don't suggest its a problem.
Tangentially, it also means fewer plays and less wear & tear on the offense. But that's just an added bonus
The Packers don't slow- play all the time, but its certainly their main mantra. If you look at pace - of -play stats... last year GB was both the "slowest" team in the NFL and the number 1 offense. So what exactly are you fixing ?
There are some additional delay penalties - not ideal- but sometimes that is on the HC/OC for not getting a play and proper personnel on the field in time. Its accidental, not purposeful. And they work on that all the time - including shortening up the play calls and using a wrist band to expedite
Now we've all seen how quick- snaps can help on a QB sneak or to catch them with 12 defenders on the field- perhaps they could do more of that - but I don't have any context or data to support that notion.
tl/dr
The Packers feel that slow-play offense offers GB more competitive advantages than disadvantages
IT. IS. TIME
Per bob demovsky, The packers have been fined 300k and Rodgers and Lazard both have been fined close to 15k for the Covid Violations. Review of matter is now complete. Slap on wrist.
Murphy accepts the punishment.
Murphy accepts the punishment.
I Do Not Hate Matt Lafleur
It’s because LaFleur can’t get the play in quick enough.BSA wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021 20:22meh.Foosball wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021 11:42An interesting observation by Paul Noonan, which has also bothered me while watching LaFleur and Rodgers operate during a game.
Why are the Packers consistently snapping the ball with little to no seconds left on the play clock and how that affects the long passing game. Also the time outs used to prevent a delay of game penalty.
Here is his article;
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2021 ... n-research
Many fans and writers gripe about this "late-snapping" offense - but both AR and MLF have explained their reasoning behind it on several occasions. Start with possessing the ball - by using all of the play clock on most of the downs- the Packers are keeping their defense off the field longer than a quick-snapping team. That's a very good thing. Even a 3 and out for GB takes longer than most other teams. That maximizes possession- and since these Packers have so few turnovers... possession means no scoring for the opponents.
( They learned this lesson during quick- strike 2011)
The main reason Rodgers likes slow play is that he has the chance to fully survey the defense AND get them to declare any blitzes/stunts etc. So he is getting his offense the best possible look at what's coming. Conversely - we can see how bad the OL looks without those added advantages
( see KC game). Defenses go to great lengths to disguise and hide what they are doing- Rodgers is unraveling those obfuscations by squeezing the clock. IF they don't start blitzing & rotating right away- they are neutered and can't get where they are going in time to make a play. So the longer he waits, the harder it is for the defense to deploy their schemes
Another small benefit is that it forces the DL to line up and sit ready on their on their haunches for an extended period of time - because they don't know when the snap is happening for certain. In the article, he suggests the Packers are losing an advantage by waiting until zero- because then the defense knows exactly when the ball will be snapped But typically the DL are head down and not looking at the play clock and it really doesn't matter much for the Safeties or Corners. Tipping your hand to the EDGE players could be an issue - but I haven't seen EDGE guys jumping the play clock ( they jump up & down and point at the zero). The sack stats don't suggest its a problem.
Tangentially, it also means fewer plays and less wear & tear on the offense. But that's just an added bonus
The Packers don't slow- play all the time, but its certainly their main mantra. If you look at pace - of -play stats... last year GB was both the "slowest" team in the NFL and the number 1 offense. So what exactly are you fixing ?
There are some additional delay penalties - not ideal- but sometimes that is on the HC/OC for not getting a play and proper personnel on the field in time. Its accidental, not purposeful. And they work on that all the time - including shortening up the play calls and using a wrist band to expedite
Now we've all seen how quick- snaps can help on a QB sneak or to catch them with 12 defenders on the field- perhaps they could do more of that - but I don't have any context or data to support that notion.
tl/dr
The Packers feel that slow-play offense offers GB more competitive advantages than disadvantages
Love is the answer…
I would have voted for the OL in heres Johnny if Newman and Patrick hadn't done so poorly, Jenkins is going to want LT type money whether he plays there or not.BF004 wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021 20:212 OL graded higher than any defender, wut. 3 of the top 5 grades.APB wrote: ↑09 Nov 2021 19:47Top rated offensive player. Matter of fact, PFF rated three O-Lineman within the top 5 on offense.
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists ... at-chiefs/
Offense:
1. LT Elgton Jenkins, 84.9
2. LG Jon Runyan, 80.0
3. TE Marcedes Lewis, 76.0
4. RT Billy Turner, 74.9
5. RB A.J. Dillon, 69.2
Defense:
1. CB Kevin King, 79.2
2. S Darnell Savage, 77.1
3. S Adrian Amos, 70.8
4. OLB Rashan Gary, 68.0
5. OLB Jonathan Garvin, 67.3
I know @lupedafiasco will be excited…
To each their own man.
nice to see Gary doing well, finally.