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Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 23 Jul 2022 19:26
by Drj820
go pak go wrote: ↑23 Jul 2022 19:16
bud fox wrote: ↑23 Jul 2022 18:59
I don't understand what changes now for his injury to improve. Throw in body weight and the stress the position puts on the knee.
Contract has been a disaster in hindsight.
Yup. What an unfortunate disaster this has been at the fault of nobody.
Really sucks. This changes a lot of things.
I’m not so sure no one is to blame. Not blaming anyone yet, but these things usually don’t just get botched at this point in the acl reconstruction game. Someone gave Bahk bad advice, Bahk didn’t take rehab seriously, Bahk rushed the process somewhere along the line...all real possibilities.
But just wanted to say...you have said all along you will wait till camp to judge. I appreciate that you are now holding to that line.
I don’t like reading people say they won’t worry until he’s not ready to return by the trade deadline, then say they won’t worry as long as he comes back a few weeks before playoffs,then they say “oh no worries as long as he’s back by playoffs”, then “as long as he’s back by super bowl, next is “as long as he’s back by OTAs, then “as long as he’s back by camp”, now we are already seeing missing camp as being not a bad omen and as long as he’s back by the season. Lol it’s wild.
Call a spade a spade, he may come back one day and be great...but the signals we are getting are BAD.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 23 Jul 2022 20:00
by RingoCStarrQB
Players that start the regular season on the PUP list can't play until game #7.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 23 Jul 2022 20:07
by salmar80
Drj820 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2022 19:26
go pak go wrote: ↑23 Jul 2022 19:16
bud fox wrote: ↑23 Jul 2022 18:59
I don't understand what changes now for his injury to improve. Throw in body weight and the stress the position puts on the knee.
Contract has been a disaster in hindsight.
Yup. What an unfortunate disaster this has been at the fault of nobody.
Really sucks. This changes a lot of things.
I’m not so sure no one is to blame. Not blaming anyone yet, but these things usually don’t just get botched at this point in the acl reconstruction game. Someone gave Bahk bad advice, Bahk didn’t take rehab seriously, Bahk rushed the process somewhere along the line...all real possibilities.
But just wanted to say...you have said all along you will wait till camp to judge. I appreciate that you are now holding to that line.
I don’t like reading people say they won’t worry until he’s not ready to return by the trade deadline, then say they won’t worry as long as he comes back a few weeks before playoffs,then they say “oh no worries as long as he’s back by playoffs”, then “as long as he’s back by super bowl, next is “as long as he’s back by OTAs, then “as long as he’s back by camp”, now we are already seeing missing camp as being not a bad omen and as long as he’s back by the season. Lol it’s wild.
Call a spade a spade, he may come back one day and be great...but the signals we are getting are BAD.
I was not worried about him missing some spring things, but yeah, missing any of camp is a baaaaad sign.
So, now that I'm worrying about it, how is it helping?
I can feel the urge to want to place blame somewhere, but before we know more, it's simply impossible to know where to put it.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 23 Jul 2022 20:26
by wallyuwl
paco wrote: ↑23 Jul 2022 17:36
Not going to worry unless it's looking like he can't start the season. Don't need him in camp.
I January people were saying this about training camp. In November they were saying it about the playoffs. It has been over a year and a half. He is done.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 23 Jul 2022 20:35
by kyle.mccarroll
Yeah like come on - what is going to change in the next month that hasn't happened yet in the last 569 DAYS!?!
The man is cooked.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 23 Jul 2022 20:50
by Drj820
salmar80 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2022 20:07
Drj820 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2022 19:26
go pak go wrote: ↑23 Jul 2022 19:16
Yup. What an unfortunate disaster this has been at the fault of nobody.
Really sucks. This changes a lot of things.
I’m not so sure no one is to blame. Not blaming anyone yet, but these things usually don’t just get botched at this point in the acl reconstruction game. Someone gave Bahk bad advice, Bahk didn’t take rehab seriously, Bahk rushed the process somewhere along the line...all real possibilities.
But just wanted to say...you have said all along you will wait till camp to judge. I appreciate that you are now holding to that line.
I don’t like reading people say they won’t worry until he’s not ready to return by the trade deadline, then say they won’t worry as long as he comes back a few weeks before playoffs,then they say “oh no worries as long as he’s back by playoffs”, then “as long as he’s back by super bowl, next is “as long as he’s back by OTAs, then “as long as he’s back by camp”, now we are already seeing missing camp as being not a bad omen and as long as he’s back by the season. Lol it’s wild.
Call a spade a spade, he may come back one day and be great...but the signals we are getting are BAD.
I was not worried about him missing some spring things, but yeah, missing any of camp is a baaaaad sign.
So, now that I'm worrying about it, how is it helping?
I can feel the urge to want to place blame somewhere, but before we know more, it's simply impossible to know where to put it.
At least more people are being honest that obvious bad signs are in fact...bad signs. “Worrying” won’t help heal the knee, but still good to honest about situation.
In terms of “blame”, it’s not about finding someone to blame....it’s just about not automatically saying no one is at fault and it could just be bad luck....it could just be bad luck, but also there could have been catastrophic failures along the way.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 23 Jul 2022 22:08
by Drj820
Makes sense why bulaga was in for a visit last week now I guess
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 23 Jul 2022 22:09
by Crazylegs Starks
I was at my grandparents today. My uncle looked at his son's phone, his eyes got big, and he looked at me and said "Bakh is on PUP!"
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 23 Jul 2022 23:02
by BF004
Most disappointing to say the least
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 24 Jul 2022 00:39
by Labrev
kyle.mccarroll wrote: ↑23 Jul 2022 20:35
what is going to change in the next month that hasn't happened yet in the last 569 DAYS!?!
Yeah, exactly. This is alarming, if not totally disconcerting.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 24 Jul 2022 00:51
by Labrev
Okay, I am moving Bakh to "believe it when I see it"-territory (on him ever playing again).
With that in mind, the question now becomes... do we roll with Jenkins at LT and not look back? He's our best OL and has proven up to the task. Yosh gets the job done and is fine for what he is, but Jenkins is head and shoulders the better player, and I don't see anyone particularly close.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 24 Jul 2022 01:00
by bud fox
Labrev wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022 00:51
Okay, I am moving Bakh to "believe it when I see it"-territory (on him ever playing again).
With that in mind, the question now becomes... do we roll with Jenkins at LT and not look back? He's our best OL and has proven up to the task. Yosh gets the job done and is fine for what he is, but Jenkins is head and shoulders the better player, and I don't see anyone particularly close.
Definitely.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 24 Jul 2022 05:27
by TheSkeptic
bud fox wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022 01:00
Labrev wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022 00:51
Okay, I am moving Bakh to "believe it when I see it"-territory (on him ever playing again).
With that in mind, the question now becomes... do we roll with Jenkins at LT and not look back? He's our best OL and has proven up to the task. Yosh gets the job done and is fine for what he is, but Jenkins is head and shoulders the better player, and I don't see anyone particularly close.
Definitely.
Uh, Jenkins is also on PUP. And he was the last one to tear his ACL. What do you have in mind BEFORE December?
IMO it has to be Nijman at LT and let him play the entire year (including post season if there is one).
As for RT and RG, Newman and Rhyan but not sure which one at RT and which at RG. Jenkins can start at either spot when he is ready, probably mid season.
The problem hits home in the playoffs. AR is a head case if Bakh is not protecting his blind side. 1 and done - again.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 24 Jul 2022 06:33
by Pugger
Labrev wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022 00:51
Okay, I am moving Bakh to "believe it when I see it"-territory (on him ever playing again).
With that in mind, the question now becomes... do we roll with Jenkins at LT and not look back? He's our best OL and has proven up to the task. Yosh gets the job done and is fine for what he is, but Jenkins is head and shoulders the better player, and I don't see anyone particularly close.
With Jenkins also on PUP we can't rely on that either.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 24 Jul 2022 06:38
by Pugger
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022 05:27
bud fox wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022 01:00
Labrev wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022 00:51
Okay, I am moving Bakh to "believe it when I see it"-territory (on him ever playing again).
With that in mind, the question now becomes... do we roll with Jenkins at LT and not look back? He's our best OL and has proven up to the task. Yosh gets the job done and is fine for what he is, but Jenkins is head and shoulders the better player, and I don't see anyone particularly close.
Definitely.
Uh, Jenkins is also on PUP. And he was the last one to tear his ACL. What do you have in mind BEFORE December?
IMO it has to be Nijman at LT and let him play the entire year (including post season if there is one).
As for RT and RG, Newman and Rhyan but not sure which one at RT and which at RG. Jenkins can start at either spot when he is ready, probably mid season.
The problem hits home in the playoffs. AR is a head case if Bakh is not protecting his blind side. 1 and done - again.
If Nijman is at LT and doing well all season I doubt AR will be a headcase if Bak isn't in there in the playoffs should we get there.
I thought Runyan played just fine at LG last season.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 24 Jul 2022 06:46
by kyle.mccarroll
We did cut Turner and restructured Bak this off season so maybe there's more faith internally in him coming back. Gute isn't that dumb is he?
Then again, maybe the draft capital we spent on OL is the closest we'll get to them acknowledging that this has been a disaster.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 24 Jul 2022 06:53
by Yoop
Drj820 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2022 22:08
Makes sense why bulaga was in for a visit last week now I guess
I thought bringing Bulaga back would be insurance, now it looks like a search for a replacement tackle, more bad luck with this OL
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 24 Jul 2022 08:27
by paco
Drj820 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2022 22:08
Makes sense why bulaga was in for a visit last week now I guess
He wasn't. He was there to watch soccer.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 24 Jul 2022 09:01
by go pak go
The whole Bulaga thing is funny. The little effort people go to see why he is in GB and then refuse to hear it when people on this forum say it's because he is bringing his kids to watch a soccer game (based on Bulaga's own tweet) just blows my mind.
Is there a chance he is here for another reason too? Sure. But I would put the "here on vacation with family" like he said he is ahead of "oh he is here to bring support at tackle" like this forum wants it to be.
Re: 9 Packers to Start Training Camp on PUP
Posted: 24 Jul 2022 09:09
by Drj820
go pak go wrote: ↑24 Jul 2022 09:01
The whole Bulaga thing is funny. The little effort people go to see
why he is in GB and then refuse to hear it when people on this forum say it's because he is bringing his kids to watch a soccer game (based on Bulaga's own tweet) just blows my mind.
Is there a chance he is here for another reason too? Sure. But I would put the "here on vacation with family" like he said he is ahead of "oh he is here to bring support at tackle" like this forum wants it to be.
First I’ve heard of the soccer, didn’t refuse to believe anything.