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Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 03 Aug 2023 08:09
by Yoop
Cdragon wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 07:55
Yoop wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 07:49
Cdragon wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 06:28
With 2 recent ACLs on the line I can't imagine us going into a game with less than 2 backups. Right now Tom at center might just be for versatilities sake. If you are down to a swing T at backup, you can drop Tom inside. I would take Tom with his extra 15lbs as the best RT over Tom as a slightly better C than Myers and a weaker RT.
did Toms add 15 lbs this off season? he was listed at 304 lbs last season, which makes him 10 lbs lighter then either of Nijman or Meyers
He had an interview last week where he mentioned adding weight but it was noted that the Packers site hadn't changed it yet.
thanks, good to hear, my one issue with Toms was that he looked a little light
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 03 Aug 2023 08:12
by Labrev
Cdragon wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 07:55
Yoop wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 07:49
Cdragon wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 06:28
With 2 recent ACLs on the line I can't imagine us going into a game with less than 2 backups. Right now Tom at center might just be for versatilities sake. If you are down to a swing T at backup, you can drop Tom inside. I would take Tom with his extra 15lbs as the best RT over Tom as a slightly better C than Myers and a weaker RT.
did Toms add 15 lbs this off season? he was listed at 304 lbs last season, which makes him 10 lbs lighter then either of Nijman or Meyers
He had an interview last week where he mentioned adding weight but it was noted that the Packers site hadn't changed it yet.
Also, Andy Herman commented that when Tom stands next to Josh Myers, they look roughly the same size. And Myers has pretty good bulk.
But ofc Andy is justa blawgerrrrrr.
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 03 Aug 2023 08:36
by TheSkeptic
There is 1 basic flaw in this thread. The assumption is that Nijman can play RT. IMO, he cannot. As evidence, go back and watch the last Lions game. He was embarrassed. He was pitiful. He was beyond bad, he was UDFA rookie who cannot make the PS bad. Now admittedly the Lion that was beating him like a dirty rug is a good player - but that Lion was still a rookie. And then Tom replaced him at halftime and that Lion did not even have a pressure after that.
Of course it was 1 game. Maybe Nijman has spend 10 hours a day since last January fixing his technique and it will never happen again. But I would not bet Love's season on whether Nijman has fixed his problems at RT - which is what starting an incompetent player at RT means.
The likely probability is that next spring the Packers use a 1st rounder on a LT and Nijman is gone. And that Tom spends the rest of his career at RT - which is where he is most valuable.
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 03 Aug 2023 08:51
by Yoop
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 08:36
There is 1 basic flaw in this thread. The assumption is that Nijman can play RT. IMO, he cannot. As evidence, go back and watch the last Lions game. He was embarrassed. He was pitiful. He was beyond bad, he was UDFA rookie who cannot make the PS bad. Now admittedly the Lion that was beating him like a dirty rug is a good player - but that Lion was still a rookie. And then Tom replaced him at halftime and that Lion did not even have a pressure after that.
Of course it was 1 game. Maybe Nijman has spend 10 hours a day since last January fixing his technique and it will never happen again. But I would not bet Love's season on whether Nijman has fixed his problems at RT - which is what starting an incompetent player at RT means.
The likely probability is that next spring the Packers use a 1st rounder on a LT and Nijman is gone. And that Tom spends the rest of his career at RT - which is where he is most valuable.
ehhh, to hard to predict this stuff, we had a center once that took 5 years to start and ended up a very good center.
as you said it was one game and imo you could see that Nijman was thinking to much about his lousy footwork against detroit, again, thinking is what you do practicing, if ya have to think during a game, your toast, at least thats what I saw when we moved Jenkins there after rehab and again with Nijman, both had slow feet, so it's either they are slow footed, or they had to think to much about it, and since we've seen both do pretty well elsewhere, I think it's the later.
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 03 Aug 2023 09:57
by BSA
MLF was asked about the competition at OC so far in his presser today- he offered some context for those interested
He said right now they are still going through installs- that means these guys have a huge menu in front of them, whereas on game day- its a much more limited set. Installs should be completed this week and then they'll start refining.
He said whoever is in that OC spot has his work cut out for him; Kenny Clark and TJ Slaton are both bringing it- and its easier for the DL to turn it loose than the OL because OL is going through installs
MLF said what's missing is consistency
“Josh has done a really good job, but we need more consistency,” LaFleur said before Thursday’s practice.
“We have complete confidence that he is fully capable of doing that, and we’ve seen that from him .”
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 03 Aug 2023 10:27
by RingoCStarrQB
BSA wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 09:57
MLF was asked about the competition at OC so far in his presser today- he offered some context for those interested
He said right now they are still going through installs- that means these guys have a huge menu in front of them, whereas on game day- its a much more limited set. Installs should be completed this week and then they'll start refining.
He said whoever is in that OC spot has his work cut out for him; Kenny Clark and TJ Slaton are both bringing it- and its easier for the DL to turn it loose than the OL because OL is going through installs
MLF said what's missing is consistency
MLF is missing consistency as well.
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 03 Aug 2023 18:19
by Drj820
Meyers should be a guard. He can block when he doesn’t have to snap a ball and think. Centers have to block, snap the ball, and think. He’s not good enough for all that. Move him to guard.
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 03 Aug 2023 19:53
by go pak go
Drj820 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 18:19
Meyers should be a guard. He can block when he doesn’t have to snap a ball and think. Centers have to block, snap the ball, and think. He’s not good enough for all that. Move him to guard.
Yeah blogger Herman has mentioned that numerous times over the past year.
But honestly we have no idea. The dude has played center since his redshirt sophomore college season.
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 03 Aug 2023 20:29
by Drj820
go pak go wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 19:53
Drj820 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 18:19
Meyers should be a guard. He can block when he doesn’t have to snap a ball and think. Centers have to block, snap the ball, and think. He’s not good enough for all that. Move him to guard.
Yeah blogger Herman has mentioned that numerous times over the past year.
But honestly we have no idea. The dude has played center since his redshirt sophomore college season.
Blogger Herman must follow me on Twitter with his burner account
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 03 Aug 2023 20:54
by Ghost_Lombardi
Meyers seems to struggle against bull rushers. No QB can have the pocket collapse like that, right in front of him.
Tom seems too valuable to move to C. I hope Meyers improves or is replaced by someone not named Tom.
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 03 Aug 2023 21:14
by Pckfn23
Of 33 centers to play at least 300 pass-protecting snaps, Myers ranked sixth in PFF’s pass-blocking efficiency. He allowed three sacks; Humphrey didn’t allow any. While Myers has been good in pass pro, he has struggled in the run game. SIS charged him with 19 blown blocks, second-most by any lineman, and six stuffs, tied for seventh-most. He’s far too talented to be playing with such inconsistency.
Myers was flagged twice (once for holding) while playing a team-high 1,091 snaps.
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/gra ... ng-centers
FWIW
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 04 Aug 2023 04:52
by CWIMM
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 08:36
There is 1 basic flaw in this thread. The assumption is that Nijman can play RT. IMO, he cannot. As evidence, go back and watch the last Lions game. He was embarrassed. He was pitiful. He was beyond bad, he was UDFA rookie who cannot make the PS bad. Now admittedly the Lion that was beating him like a dirty rug is a good player - but that Lion was still a rookie. And then Tom replaced him at halftime and that Lion did not even have a pressure after that.
Of course it was 1 game. Maybe Nijman has spend 10 hours a day since last January fixing his technique and it will never happen again. But I would not bet Love's season on whether Nijman has fixed his problems at RT - which is what starting an incompetent player at RT means.
The likely probability is that next spring the Packers use a 1st rounder on a LT and Nijman is gone. And that Tom spends the rest of his career at RT - which is where he is most valuable.
It's true Nijman had a terrible game in week 18 against the Lions. But other than that he was a decent right tackle for most games since moving there in week 7 of last season. I don't expect him to develop into an elite one but the Packers could do worse than him as well.
Ghost_Lombardi wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 20:54
Tom seems too valuable to move to C. I hope Meyers improves or is replaced by someone not named Tom.
Unfortunately the Packers don't have another viable option to replace Myers currently on the roster.
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2023 21:14
Of 33 centers to play at least 300 pass-protecting snaps, Myers ranked sixth in PFF’s pass-blocking efficiency. He allowed three sacks; Humphrey didn’t allow any. While Myers has been good in pass pro, he has struggled in the run game.
You're right about that. PFF ranked Myers only 30th in run blocking grade among the 33 center with the most snaps.
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 06 Aug 2023 13:18
by Labrev
Botched snaps are inexcusable. There have been five botched snap exchanges so far: one with Love last night, two with Love and the 1s in other TC, two with Etling and the 2s in TC.
All five of them were with Myers as the C.
If Tom is not legit competition for the starting spot at C, then our coaches are clueless.
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 06 Aug 2023 15:04
by Yoop
Labrev wrote: ↑06 Aug 2023 13:18
Botched snaps are inexcusable. There have been five botched snap exchanges so far: one with Love last night, two with Love and the 1s in other TC, two with Etling and the 2s in TC.
All five of them were with Myers as the C.
If Tom is not legit competition for the starting spot at C, then our coaches are clueless.
He said Toms is the ONLY viable replacement to Myers.
and the coaches have worked him at center, so there aware of his ability there, but there not going to give up on a 3rd round pick at this stage of the season/camp, obviously they also like what they see of Toms at RT.
Lafleur said in the past that the best 5 play, and so far, since he's been here I think that's been true, at this point it seems to me both Myers and Toms are members of the top 5, with Bakh, Jenkins, and Runyan, but it's still early, Nijman seems like the #6, and #7 through #9 are where the real camp battles are
the top 6 seem set.
I read last year saw a increase in % of gap ( M&M ) blocking to Zone, Toms has said he gained 15lbs, that makes sense, specially at Center, and even more so in M&M scheme.
I expect we'll have another top 10 OL, which it seemed like at the end of last season, at times anyway.
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 07 Aug 2023 03:15
by TheSkeptic
Yoop wrote: ↑06 Aug 2023 15:04
Labrev wrote: ↑06 Aug 2023 13:18
Botched snaps are inexcusable. There have been five botched snap exchanges so far: one with Love last night, two with Love and the 1s in other TC, two with Etling and the 2s in TC.
All five of them were with Myers as the C.
If Tom is not legit competition for the starting spot at C, then our coaches are clueless.
He said Toms is the ONLY viable replacement to Myers.
and the coaches have worked him at center, so there aware of his ability there, but there not going to give up on a 3rd round pick at this stage of the season/camp, obviously they also like what they see of Toms at RT.
Lafleur said in the past that the best 5 play, and so far, since he's been here I think that's been true, at this point it seems to me both Myers and Toms are members of the top 5, with Bakh, Jenkins, and Runyan, but it's still early, Nijman seems like the #6, and #7 through #9 are where the real camp battles are
the top 6 seem set.
I read last year saw a increase in % of gap ( M&M ) blocking to Zone, Toms has said he gained 15lbs, that makes sense, specially at Center, and even more so in M&M scheme.
I expect we'll have another top 10 OL, which it seemed like at the end of last season, at times anyway.
I agree. And Myers is a better center than Yosh is a RT.
Re: Meyers Watch
Posted: 07 Aug 2023 04:39
by CWIMM
Yoop wrote: ↑06 Aug 2023 15:04
Lafleur said in the past that the best 5 play, and so far, since he's been here I think that's been true, at this point it seems to me both Myers and Toms are members of the top 5, with Bakh, Jenkins, and Runyan, but it's still early, Nijman seems like the #6, and #7 through #9 are where the real camp battles are
the top 6 seem set.
I read last year saw a increase in % of gap ( M&M ) blocking to Zone, Toms has said he gained 15lbs, that makes sense, specially at Center, and even more so in M&M scheme.
I expect we'll have another top 10 OL, which it seemed like at the end of last season, at times anyway.
Nijman might be a better player than Myers at this point though.
It's true the percentage of gap blocking has increased each season since MLF took over (36.2% in 2022, 30.3% in '21, 26.6% in '20 and 24.6% in '19) but the Packers are still primarily a zone blocking team.