I just don't get the rush, the push to have him ready game one, being ahead of rehab schedule is great, but it doesn't mean that knee is fully healed.
No rush. He is out there in team reps. It is healed. This isn't 1957 where they just rub some dirt on it.
you don't know that, and I contend that our doctors don't either, there is a 15% plus chance that Gary reinjures that acl, go look this stuff up.
I remember a study done about 10 years ago that showed just that, yes we've come a long way rebuilding joints, but it's not fool proof, and if Gary tweaks it he could lose most of the season.
I do know that his knee is ready for football as the team has cleared him for team activities.
Yeah this is actually the usual timeframe for a return from ACL injury, we just have been spooked by how Bakh's nightmare recovery process, and Jenkins and Tonyan looking rough after they came back from their injury.
I think Rashan will be fine.
well we thought the same about the 3 you mentioned too. no one knows, but I bet some research on your part would make you a wiser man concerning this debate, you will find that over 15% of players with prior acl's will injure that or the other acl again, often in the first year back, now I'am using a general info garnered from a study about a decade ago I read, but I doubt that % has changed much.
point is we drafted players that can support a slower return with Gary, that was a great plan and we should stick to it.
No rush. He is out there in team reps. It is healed. This isn't 1957 where they just rub some dirt on it.
you don't know that, and I contend that our doctors don't either, there is a 15% plus chance that Gary reinjures that acl, go look this stuff up.
I remember a study done about 10 years ago that showed just that, yes we've come a long way rebuilding joints, but it's not fool proof, and if Gary tweaks it he could lose most of the season.
I do know that his knee is ready for football as the team has cleared him for team activities.
we'll see, but I've never been one to rush a player back, I said the same stuff when Nelson came back.
team physicians make the call depending on the pressure on them to do so, Reggie White should have taught you that.
you don't know that, and I contend that our doctors don't either, there is a 15% plus chance that Gary reinjures that acl, go look this stuff up.
I remember a study done about 10 years ago that showed just that, yes we've come a long way rebuilding joints, but it's not fool proof, and if Gary tweaks it he could lose most of the season.
I do know that his knee is ready for football as the team has cleared him for team activities.
we'll see, but I've never been one to rush a player back, I said the same stuff when Nelson came back.
team physicians make the call depending on the pressure on them to do so, Reggie White should have taught you that.
Why do you say he is being rushed back?
This isn't 1960 anymore. Physicians are not being pressured to rush players back.
That wasn't the physicians, it was God. Get your facts straight.
Re: Remaining Practice Chatter
Posted: 24 Aug 2023 11:04
by Scott4Pack
I am flabbergasted by Heath on that roster. It almost guarantees him a spot on the 53, I’d think. I don’t see him starting from week 1. But then, if they want to do a run-heavy scheme, maybe they pick the best blocker of the bunch to get more snaps than usual. I wouldn’t doubt it of the Pack want to go run-heavy against da Bears.
Re: Remaining Practice Chatter
Posted: 24 Aug 2023 11:52
by Labrev
Heath is making the team, no question; he is our top backup boundary receiver. Wicks and DuBose may be more gifted athletes but Heath is probably more ready to play should the need arise (hopefully not), and he has not missed as much practice time as they have so we have more familiarity with Heath. Reed and Toure 'can' play outside but are better in the slot.
And yes he is also a nice blocker which is valuable. So he might see a few snaps in the Allen Lazard role even without WR injuries.
Heath is making the team, no question; he is our top backup boundary receiver. Wicks and DuBose may be more gifted athletes but Heath is probably more ready to play should the need arise (hopefully not), and he has not missed as much practice time as they have so we have more familiarity with Heath. Reed and Toure 'can' play outside but are better in the slot.
And yes he is also a nice blocker which is valuable. So he might see a few snaps in the Allen Lazard role even without WR injuries.
What you say is true. It’s also enough justification that the Pack would have a harder time protecting him on the practice squad than either DuBose or Wicks. So, might as well see how he performs getting snaps with the 1s and plan it into the season.
Yeah this is actually the usual timeframe for a return from ACL injury, we just have been spooked by how Bakh's nightmare recovery process, and Jenkins and Tonyan looking rough after they came back from their injury.
I think Rashan will be fine.
well we thought the same about the 3 you mentioned too. no one knows, but I bet some research on your part would make you a wiser man concerning this debate, you will find that over 15% of players with prior acl's will injure that or the other acl again, often in the first year back, now I'am using a general info garnered from a study about a decade ago I read, but I doubt that % has changed much.
point is we drafted players that can support a slower return with Gary, that was a great plan and we should stick to it.
Yooper, forgive me but I'm not sure I trust your memory as definitive proof on anything from last week, let alone 10 years ago...
Re: Remaining Practice Chatter
Posted: 24 Aug 2023 13:21
by Crazylegs Starks
We have one of the most conservative training staffs in the league, and someone is worried they're bringing Gary back too fast?
We have one of the most conservative training staffs in the league, and someone is worried they're bringing Gary back too fast?
who said we have a conservative training staff? that is a figment of our imagination, brought about mostly by fans that expect players to play before they actually are ready to play.
we always think we know more then the coaches, the GM's, and of course Doctors, but we really don't
Yeah this is actually the usual timeframe for a return from ACL injury, we just have been spooked by how Bakh's nightmare recovery process, and Jenkins and Tonyan looking rough after they came back from their injury.
I think Rashan will be fine.
well we thought the same about the 3 you mentioned too. no one knows, but I bet some research on your part would make you a wiser man concerning this debate, you will find that over 15% of players with prior acl's will injure that or the other acl again, often in the first year back, now I'am using a general info garnered from a study about a decade ago I read, but I doubt that % has changed much.
point is we drafted players that can support a slower return with Gary, that was a great plan and we should stick to it.
Yooper, forgive me but I'm not sure I trust your memory as definitive proof on anything from last week, let alone 10 years ago...
are you kidding? I have a very good memory, it's just short like your.... well you know what I mean
seriously though, just goggle it, the odds of reinjuring a acl is about 15% it will happen, yes these surgeries have had better results the last 20 years but that article I'am talking about was a study of players between 2010 and 2013, so not ancient.
I hope we snap count Gary, he is to valuable now to take chances, where going to need him come the play offs.
well we thought the same about the 3 you mentioned too. no one knows, but I bet some research on your part would make you a wiser man concerning this debate, you will find that over 15% of players with prior acl's will injure that or the other acl again, often in the first year back, now I'am using a general info garnered from a study about a decade ago I read, but I doubt that % has changed much.
point is we drafted players that can support a slower return with Gary, that was a great plan and we should stick to it.
Yooper, forgive me but I'm not sure I trust your memory as definitive proof on anything from last week, let alone 10 years ago...
are you kidding? I have a very good memory, it's just short like your.... well you know what I mean
seriously though, just goggle it, the odds of reinjuring a acl is about 15% it will happen, yes these surgeries have had better results the last 20 years but that article I'am talking about was a study of players between 2010 and 2013, so not ancient.
I hope we snap count Gary, he is to valuable now to take chances, where going to need him come the play offs.
Didn’t find anything about any mystery 15% reinjury rate but did find this:
Yooper, forgive me but I'm not sure I trust your memory as definitive proof on anything from last week, let alone 10 years ago...
are you kidding? I have a very good memory, it's just short like your.... well you know what I mean
seriously though, just goggle it, the odds of reinjuring a acl is about 15% it will happen, yes these surgeries have had better results the last 20 years but that article I'am talking about was a study of players between 2010 and 2013, so not ancient.
I hope we snap count Gary, he is to valuable now to take chances, where going to need him come the play offs.
Didn’t find anything about any mystery 15% reinjury rate but did find this:
We have one of the most conservative training staffs in the league, and someone is worried they're bringing Gary back too fast?
who said we have a conservative training staff? that is a figment of our imagination, brought about mostly by fans that expect players to play before they actually are ready to play.
we always think we know more then the coaches, the GM's, and of course Doctors, but we really don't
Says the person who just said this:
yoop wrote:you don't know that, and I contend that our doctors don't either,
Re: Remaining Practice Chatter
Posted: 24 Aug 2023 16:28
by Labrev
Notes from the video.....
Spoiler
- Q&A with MLF: (1) Sean Clifford is Clipboard, i.e. has QB2 spot locked down; (2) says WRs and extra OL are part of the plan to absorb loss of Tyler Davis at TE; (3) says he knows who will start at S opposite Savage, but didn't say whom.
- Starting O: Love, Jones & Dillon, Toure, Heath, Musgrave, Bak-Jenkins-Myers-JRJ-Tom
- Starting D: Slaton-Clark, Gary-Smith, Walker-McDuffie, Douglas-Alexander-Nixon, Savage-Ford
- Red Zone OL: Bakh-Jenkins-Tom-JRJ-Walker
- OL2: Walker-Rhyan-Empey-Newman-Nijman
- Love: pretty good day
- Carlson: good from 33/XP, 42, 44, 43; no good from 45 but play was blown dead before kick, then good from same distance; no good from 47 (off L upright). Attempted 50-yarder twice with the whole team actively trying to distract him, missed first attempt, made second. Basically went 6/8.
- Reed had a drop but made several nice plays; flip side of that is, this TC has shown that Keisean Nixon can be beaten in coverage by a good slot receiver.
- Today's surprise player: Keshawn Banks beat Jenkins 1-on-1, got a sack against Love in team activity, had a rush against Zach Tom.
- Lots of trick plays and unconventional calls today, but credit the D with not getting abused.
- Heath made an impressive contested catch, Jadakis Bonds follows up good day yesterday with another nice practice, may be a PS candidate.
- Kraft with an ugly drop in the end-zone (off of facemask).
- Brooks and Wooden continue to apply good pressure.
- AJ Dillon with a nice 10-yard TD run, good blocking by the starting left-side OL.
We have one of the most conservative training staffs in the league, and someone is worried they're bringing Gary back too fast?
It’s always too fast. No matter the situation.
Hahaha
Re: Remaining Practice Chatter
Posted: 24 Aug 2023 20:01
by go pak go
I asked AI to read all of yoops posts on this thread and summarize a thesis.
I Goggled Pat McKenzie 10 years ago and first article that popped up said he is a quack. Gets paid money under the table to rush players back sooner than they should.
Everyone knows it except it the fans. You can't trust GMs, coaches, or Murphy. Silly fans are so stupid. Think they know more than the GM and coaches
are you kidding? I have a very good memory, it's just short like your.... well you know what I mean
seriously though, just goggle it, the odds of reinjuring a acl is about 15% it will happen, yes these surgeries have had better results the last 20 years but that article I'am talking about was a study of players between 2010 and 2013, so not ancient.
I hope we snap count Gary, he is to valuable now to take chances, where going to need him come the play offs.
Didn’t find anything about any mystery 15% reinjury rate but did find this:
