Packers Huddle

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 12:56

I've been disappointed in Myers, but...

Center, maybe more than any other position, there just isn't good metrics for how good a guy is in the mental part of the game. Is he making the right calls, setting the right protections, etc. The OL wasn't perfect by any means this year, so I don't know the answer to the questions I asked, but I agree in listening to Gute's presser, he does seem like he will be a priority to bring back.

Sounds like Gute may be up for some more splash signings this off season.

Side note: Aaron Rodgers asking himself where the $%@# was this version of Gutekunst when he was still here?!?

APB wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 19:16

Side note: Aaron Rodgers asking himself where the $%@# was this version of Gutekunst when he was still here?!?

Wondering how to fit free agents under Rodger's contract.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 20:04

APB wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 19:16

Side note: Aaron Rodgers asking himself where the $%@# was this version of Gutekunst when he was still here?!?

Wondering how to fit free agents under Rodger's contract.

You need the Brady, I'll only take this if you buy me some players with what's left.

Yoop wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 09:14

I think folks over value Tom at RT, yes he's been very good out there, but we'll need a position for Morgan next year, and WAlker may not be a bull run blocker, it's good enough, and he's been good at pass pro, that could make Myers expendable.

I agree with your analysis.

IMO there are 2 viable options, everything else is a vary bad risk.
#1 Move Tom to center and start Morgan at RT.
#2 Keep Myers at center and Tom at RT and let Morgan compete at LT. Whoever loses the LT competition backs up every position except center.

There are several things wrong with moving Jenkins to center. First he is 29 years old and his future is downhill. Secondly, the last time he moved, he got hurt and has never been the same dominant player. And the third is that he has only 2 seasons left on his contract with a 24 million cap hit in 2026. He is not worth 24 million, especially at center. The Packers would essentially be telling him that he is gone after this coming season and he would NOT be happy about that and the big pay cut that it would mean.

And then there is Monk. In case people have forgotten, when Myers missed a game in midseason the Packers did not start Monk, Jenkins started at center. That is not a vote of confidence. Lots of rookies start in September. More start as a backup. Monk does not have the confidence of the coaches and its probably deserved. Oh yes, one more thing, he is undersized.

Finally Myers is better than his reputation on this forum. When was the last time you saw him snap over the QB's head or bounce it in the dirt? Do you really really really want Love to have the added responsibility of making the line calls, misread the coverage and throw a pick into double coverage? He only allowed 1 sack in 2024 and only committed 4 penalties. Myers may be only an average NFL center and a disappointment relative to where he was drafted, but unless the replacement is Tom, any replacement is likely to be a bottom 5 center or a 1 year stopgap.

Of course the Packers could get lucky in free agency or incredibly lucky in the draft with a late pick. But they have a hole to fill at CB and lost their WR#1 and their best WR#2. Spending a top 4 pick on a center is not really a good option.

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 12:56

I've been disappointed in Myers, but...

Listening to the actual presser, I think this Tweet makes it sounds like Gute is more bullish on Meyers compared to what I heard.

Re Myers...

One thing that I haven't seen anybody mention is that Myers might just break the bank with another team. And that might end up being THE reason that he leaves the Pack.

All the other things are considerations. But Free Agency is about making money. If someone offers Myers silly money, the Pack is unlikely to match and then off he goes.

I personally would like to keep him. But it might require him being okay with a lesser contract.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

18 Jan 2025 11:10

Re Myers...

One thing that I haven't seen anybody mention is that Myers might just break the bank with another team. And that might end up being THE reason that he leaves the Pack.

All the other things are considerations. But Free Agency is about making money. If someone offers Myers silly money, the Pack is unlikely to match and then off he goes.

I personally would like to keep him. But it might require him being okay with a lesser contract.

John Runyan signed for like $10 Million last year. Even that is too much for me.

The Packers have historically done very well at Center. From the Mike Flannigan/Frank Winters era we did:

Scottie Wells - 7th Round
Jeff Saturday/Evan Detriech Smith - UFA/UDFA
Corey Linsley - 5th round

To me Center is a position that can be plugged early in a career. Perhaps we just got lucky. But when a 5th, 7th, and UDFA are as good or better than a 2nd rounder...I just feel like we can get by with less. Not expecting a Corey Linsley but would absolutely settlel for a Wells/EDS level.

The league is so short on even average lineman I think someone will offer Myers more than what he’s worth. He’s 4 years into the league and never really grew IMO. He’s a solid pass blocking C, not a very good run blocker, and I’m just not paying for something I believed that is tapped out on developmental potential.

lake shark wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2025 13:40

Starting an early look at what’s out there for next year. Please chime in.

Players that fit Packers mode (young, ascending, fits position of need)

C - Drew Dalman
DT - Milton Williams

Good value due to saturation

CB - Get one or two of:
Carlton Davis
DJ Reed
Byron Murphy
Charvarious Ward
Brendon Stephens
Paulson Adebo

Veteran with Gas in the Tank and Leadership
Dre Greenlaw

Trade - DK Metcalf (either through draft picks or Jaire)

Is Seattle shopping Metcalf? I saw this speculation on another Packers' forum earlier today.

NCF wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2025 14:00

I'm just 100% in on Maxx Crosby. The fact that he is only 27 is icing on the cake.

Would Las Vegas even consider trading this guy away? If so I fear the price would be damn steep.

go pak go wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 08:29

NCF wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 08:26

People are going to be SO mad, but I really think Josh Myers is going to get a new contract here. As long as it is middle-of-the-pack Center money, I am good with it. He is never going to be an All-Pro, but I thought he was starting to play some decent football in 2024.

I accidentally clicked "report" instead of comment. At first it was a mistake but then I thought....no. this does deserve to be reported.

Yes I will be mad. Unless it is a prove it stop gap contract. Josh Meyers is a bad center. It was a swing and a miss.

I don't think Myers played that poorly. If the price is right, why not?

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 12:56

I've been disappointed in Myers, but...

If Myers is the leader Gute is suggesting he is that is worth something. I know a lot of us think more veteran leadership is needed on this squad.

Pugger wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 11:13

go pak go wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 08:29

NCF wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 08:26

People are going to be SO mad, but I really think Josh Myers is going to get a new contract here. As long as it is middle-of-the-pack Center money, I am good with it. He is never going to be an All-Pro, but I thought he was starting to play some decent football in 2024.

I accidentally clicked "report" instead of comment. At first it was a mistake but then I thought....no. this does deserve to be reported.

Yes I will be mad. Unless it is a prove it stop gap contract. Josh Meyers is a bad center. It was a swing and a miss.

I don't think Myers played that poorly. If the price is right, why not?

I mean vet minimum sure.

But this dude is going to make $10million plus. That's just what happens in a 2nd contract.

Move on.

Pugger wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 11:17

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 12:56

I've been disappointed in Myers, but...

If Myers is the leader Gute is suggesting he is that is worth something. I know a lot of us think more veteran leadership is needed on this squad.

You aren't getting more veteran leadership. You are getting what you had. Which is a below average center who makes too many mental mistakes and can't figure out how to snap the ball to get a free play. It's Year 4. Learn to snap the ball when you see the defense jump on a hard count. Corey Linsley was so, so good at that.

go pak go wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 11:42

Pugger wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 11:13

go pak go wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 08:29

I accidentally clicked "report" instead of comment. At first it was a mistake but then I thought....no. this does deserve to be reported.

Yes I will be mad. Unless it is a prove it stop gap contract. Josh Meyers is a bad center. It was a swing and a miss.

I don't think Myers played that poorly. If the price is right, why not?

I mean vet minimum sure.

But this dude is going to make $10million plus. That's just what happens in a 2nd contract.

Move on.

Yup, if another team offers him that I hope Gute looks elsewhere. My concern here is Gute sounded like he wants him back in a recent presser.

$10 million per would be 6th.
$5 million per would be 17th.

Of course Gut could be trying to drive up interest from others and get them to overpay.

Pugger wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 11:09

lake shark wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2025 13:40

Starting an early look at what’s out there for next year. Please chime in.

Players that fit Packers mode (young, ascending, fits position of need)

C - Drew Dalman
DT - Milton Williams

Good value due to saturation

CB - Get one or two of:
Carlton Davis
DJ Reed
Byron Murphy
Charvarious Ward
Brendon Stephens
Paulson Adebo

Veteran with Gas in the Tank and Leadership
Dre Greenlaw

Trade - DK Metcalf (either through draft picks or Jaire)

Is Seattle shopping Metcalf? I saw this speculation on another Packers' forum earlier today.

There was chatter about Metcalf around the trade deadline. JSN really emerged as the go to Seattle receiver towards the end of the year. It depends on what they do with Geno Smith. JSN works better with Genos high percentage short passing style. Seattle needs to restock their pass offense in general as I think both Lockett and Fant are FAs. There is some concern he’s more of an athlete than a polished receiver but I’d like to see him with a QB that likes to take deep shots.

As I look at it the only real trade bait we have is Malik Willis. This is exactly the type of reclamation project Belichick would get for nothing, and dump after one year, for a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd rounder. We paid a 7th for the guy. He showed he can play at the most important position and win games. There is one cheap year left for him, huge selling point. While back up QB is important, getting a stud corner or edge might put us over the top. GMs desperate to keep their jobs over pay. If he ends up as a star we'll probably be moving him to one of the many QB needy teams in the AFC and we won't see him often. Good or bad we can get maximum value for him instead of nothing. A first or even a high second can move us into position to get a stud.

Indy, Cleveland, Jets, Giants, Vegas are all in need. The Steelers only have, Reach for the Skylar Thompson, on contract at QB. We could move easily into the top 10 with their 1st pick.

This is a gamble, but you have to take chances in order to compete and win the . This is playing with house money.