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Yoop wrote: some of us didn't like the idea of bringing Saleh aboard,but again jmo.
Us??
Other than you, I haven’t heard a single forum member voice a single negative concern over Saleh being on staff.
And now you’re somehow tying Saleh’s presence on staff to Love being over-coached and Clements’ subsequent retirement announcement? Those are some awful long dots you’re connecting…
Yoop wrote: some of us didn't like the idea of bringing Saleh aboard,but again jmo.
Us??
Other than you, I haven’t heard a single forum member voice a single negative concern over Saleh being on staff.
And now you’re somehow tying Saleh’s presence on staff to Love being over-coached and Clements’ subsequent retirement announcement? Those are some awful long dots you’re connecting…
lol. Ringo used it as a way to condemn our coaches for being stupid as "smart" coaches don't need outside help.
It depends upon what one was expecting going into the season. If you thought this was a SB caliber team you were disappointed.
I truly didn't know what we had. This roster is young and we hired a new DC. I felt it would take a full season for a group of players to adapt to a new scheme. Kudos to Hafley and his staff for turning this unit around so fast. The arrow is definitely pointing up on that side if the ball.
I thought Love would continue to improve. There were flashes but he was inconsistent. Was it just him or is our WR corps not as good as we believed? Kraft was great and we haven't had a back like Jacobs since Ahmad Green.
i voted for met expectations because one side of the ball exceeded (defense) while the other did not other than Kraft and Jacobs.
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Yoop wrote: some of us didn't like the idea of bringing Saleh aboard,but again jmo.
Us??
Other than you, I haven’t heard a single forum member voice a single negative concern over Saleh being on staff.
And now you’re somehow tying Saleh’s presence on staff to Love being over-coached and Clements’ subsequent retirement announcement? Those are some awful long dots you’re connecting…
I can't remember who, but I know I wasn't the only one, some complained that SAleh would be a distraction to Hafley, myself I thought he became a distraction for Lafleur and as a result for Love, if SAlehs jobs was to scout up coming teams defenses and tell Lafleur how to beat them, he sucked at it 5 times, and Love looked very disenchanted walking off the field plenty when the offense sputtered during these losses, that's partly why IMHO our offense, passing offense, never was able to replicate the late success it had last year.
then the completely dumbfounded comments from Lafluer after those losses, any time a coach says we didn't expect so much man, when his deep threat receiver is riding pine injured, and none of the others require deep support, that doesn't make a lot of sense, and that's what advisor Robert SAleh did for Matt Lafleur.
and it's not so much a diss of SAleh, he is a great defensive minded coach, but that stuff sounds so confusing to me, I mean why wouldn't Flores use man coverage in that situation, everyone would if they had the talent to play man, Lafleur and Stenavich had been doing fine, they sure didn't need SAleh to monkey wrench this offense. and I think that's a good description of what we saw to often this season
Blaming Saleh for anything is such a cop out. You have no idea what his role was. What his input was. If he came into my org. working on the O, I'd be asking him to spot tendencies we should break. Identify how certain D's would attack us. look for weaknesses in opposing D's. See if you can spot any of our guys tells, giving away info. He's not going to come in there and start telling Love how to play. He's not going to tell anybody how to coach.
We've seen in previous seasons MLF take out major aspects of the O when they play a top team. This is his major issue. Time management and challenges are relatively minor, though maddening, in comparison. We saw nothing innovative about the game plan or play calling in our losses this year. I wish I could see a game plan that is as focused to take apart a top team as we saw when Willis was an unknown commodity.
I think MLF is a top coach, but you have to fight the tendency to go into a shell when you have to take reasonable risks to beat the top teams. Too many coaches want play it safe and go for the 3 yards and a cloud of dust, that doesn't get you wins now. You're not going to beat Campbell playing it too safe, because he is not playing it safe.
In my opinion the injury to Love really derailed the offense and LaFleur. Specifically talking about the latter, I believe that LaFleur was forced to take out traditional play action, roll outs, and read options because Love simply could not move. As we were not sure of Love's health status coming out of the bye nothing changed during the bye. When it was obvious that we Love was healthy enough to move again, LaFleur never adjusted back to the aspects of the offense that had it over-achieving in 2023. We didn't see hardly any roll outs or read options (not talking RPO) from Love this year, but the biggest evidence to me is the explanation of play action. When asked several times about why we didn't go under center and run play action as much, LaFleur mentioning something like having to block DEs with TEs or seeing the whole field as the reason he moved it to shotgun. To me, that answer doesn't hold water. You can design play action without a TE blocking a DE and your QB has proven he can thrive in traditional play action. I would bet that the real reason was the lack of mobility from Love. Then when it was obvious Love got his mobility back, LaFleur did not adjust. That was a failing.
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Blaming Saleh for anything is such a cop out. You have no idea what his role was. What his input was. If he came into my org. working on the O, I'd be asking him to spot tendencies we should break. Identify how certain D's would attack us. look for weaknesses in opposing D's. See if you can spot any of our guys tells, giving away info. He's not going to come in there and start telling Love how to play. He's not going to tell anybody how to coach.
We've seen in previous seasons MLF take out major aspects of the O when they play a top team. This is his major issue. Time management and challenges are relatively minor, though maddening, in comparison. We saw nothing innovative about the game plan or play calling in our losses this year. I wish I could see a game plan that is as focused to take apart a top team as we saw when Willis was an unknown commodity.
I think MLF is a top coach, but you have to fight the tendency to go into a shell when you have to take reasonable risks to beat the top teams. Too many coaches want play it safe and go for the 3 yards and a cloud of dust, that doesn't get you wins now. You're not going to beat Campbell playing it too safe, because he is not playing it safe.
never understood all this admiration/adoration for Robert Saleh, I don't dislike the guy, but for the last 10 years he's been a defensive coach for 1 (one) winning team, and that one was stocked with all pro and PB talent, if not the connections to Lafleur would he have coached any where else last year? has he had any coaching offers this year so far.
I thought Lafleur did a great job in 2023, when he didn't have SAleh in his ear, and all play callers change up game tactics, did we even see that stuff this season? we saw run, a desperation throws from Love, almost zero trail routes short, stacked receivers, our offense sputtered whenever we had to pass..
It depends upon what one was expecting going into the season. If you thought this was a SB caliber team you were disappointed.
I truly didn't know what we had. This roster is young and we hired a new DC. I felt it would take a full season for a group of players to adapt to a new scheme. Kudos to Hafley and his staff for turning this unit around so fast. The arrow is definitely pointing up on that side if the ball.
I thought Love would continue to improve. There were flashes but he was inconsistent. Was it just him or is our WR corps not as good as we believed? Kraft was great and we haven't had a back like Jacobs since Ahmad Green.
i voted for met expectations because one side of the ball exceeded (defense) while the other did not other than Kraft and Jacobs.
Agree with your "flashes" comment about Love. Sometimes, I think the team (or at least the offense) overall "flashes" too, and needs to simply turn the potential into routine performance.
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In my opinion the injury to Love really derailed the offense and LaFleur. Specifically talking about the latter, I believe that LaFleur was forced to take out traditional play action, roll outs, and read options because Love simply could not move. As we were not sure of Love's health status coming out of the bye nothing changed during the bye. When it was obvious that we Love was healthy enough to move again, LaFleur never adjusted back to the aspects of the offense that had it over-achieving in 2023. We didn't see hardly any roll outs or read options (not talking RPO) from Love this year, but the biggest evidence to me is the explanation of play action. When asked several times about why we didn't go under center and run play action as much, LaFleur mentioning something like having to block DEs with TEs or seeing the whole field as the reason he moved it to shotgun. To me, that answer doesn't hold water. You can design play action without a TE blocking a DE and your QB has proven he can thrive in traditional play action. I would bet that the real reason was the lack of mobility from Love. Then when it was obvious Love got his mobility back, LaFleur did not adjust. That was a failing.
I think that's a good point. We won't really know how much Love was still dinged up after he came back from his missed time. But NFL football being the game, we almost have to think (at least consider) that Love played the remainder of the season at some level less than 100%.
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