Packers Huddle

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 16:57

When have you ever seen Love ever walk back to the sideline with his head down as if he is pouting or a "dejected step child?"

Are you saying that because Love doesn't stomp his feet, glare, or yell at his teammates he isn't saying something to them when they screw up?

And you are saying Kraft is calling out Love??

Man, these aren't dots, these are galaxies you are trying to connect.

obviously enough to notice, Love is so unemotional, and that stuff rubs off on others, and he does walk back to the sideline without looking at Lafleur, or others, and when was the last time you saw Lafluer look as frustrated as he has been this season and often it seems obvious it's with the play of Love.

how is what I said mean Kraft is focusing on just Love, your twisting what I said, but why wouldn't Love be part of the culture change, QB's especially if they are as hard working as Lafleur says Love is, have to demand that sort of effort from receivers, TE's, and everyone on that side of the ball, that's what being a leader of the team is all about.

Yoop wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 17:37

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 16:57

When have you ever seen Love ever walk back to the sideline with his head down as if he is pouting or a "dejected step child?"

Are you saying that because Love doesn't stomp his feet, glare, or yell at his teammates he isn't saying something to them when they screw up?

And you are saying Kraft is calling out Love??

Man, these aren't dots, these are galaxies you are trying to connect.

obviously enough to notice, Love is so unemotional, and that stuff rubs off on others, and he does walk back to the sideline without looking at Lafleur, or others, and when was the last time you saw Lafluer look as frustrated as he has been this season and often it seems obvious it's with the play of Love.

how is what I said mean Kraft is focusing on just Love, your twisting what I said, but why wouldn't Love be part of the culture change, QB's especially if they are as hard working as Lafleur says Love is, have to demand that sort of effort from receivers, TE's, and everyone on that side of the ball, that's what being a leader of the team is all about.

Give us an example of 1 time where Jordan Love hung his head and moped back to the sidelines? Or has that now changed to just not looking at LaFleur? Can you give an example of when Love ignored LaFleur?

Love's fictitious demeanour was described and the it was said this is what Kraft doesn't like because he is trying hard and apparently that means love isn't a try hard?

Again, you believe that public shaming or stomping of feet or glaring or telling is the only way to hold others' accountable? That's a leader to you?

Love was one of the 11 LaFleur mentioned as a leader.

This isn't twisting your words this is exactly what you have said, whether you meant it or not.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 17:44

Yoop wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 17:37

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 16:57

When have you ever seen Love ever walk back to the sideline with his head down as if he is pouting or a "dejected step child?"

Are you saying that because Love doesn't stomp his feet, glare, or yell at his teammates he isn't saying something to them when they screw up?

And you are saying Kraft is calling out Love??

Man, these aren't dots, these are galaxies you are trying to connect.

obviously enough to notice, Love is so unemotional, and that stuff rubs off on others, and he does walk back to the sideline without looking at Lafleur, or others, and when was the last time you saw Lafluer look as frustrated as he has been this season and often it seems obvious it's with the play of Love.

how is what I said mean Kraft is focusing on just Love, your twisting what I said, but why wouldn't Love be part of the culture change, QB's especially if they are as hard working as Lafleur says Love is, have to demand that sort of effort from receivers, TE's, and everyone on that side of the ball, that's what being a leader of the team is all about.

Give us an example of 1 time where Jordan Love hung his head and moped back to the sidelines? Or has that now changed to just not looking at LaFleur? Can you give an example of when Love ignored LaFleur?

Love's fictitious demeanour was described and the it was said this is what Kraft doesn't like because he is trying hard and apparently that means love isn't a try hard?

Again, you believe that public shaming or stomping of feet or glaring or telling is the only way to hold others' accountable? That's a leader to you?

Love was one of the 11 LaFleur mentioned as a leader.

This isn't twisting your words this is exactly what you have said, whether you meant it or not.

these are my opinions, and I'am not going to look for specifics, and never said Love needs to act like a petulant child stomping or acting like a idiot, rather just act like a leader, Lafluer mentioned these names hoping for more of that, and IMO Love hasn't shown that, agree or disagree, I don't care.

Fair enough, this is the yoop conspiracy theory sans any evidence!

My mom said the same thing during the Detroit games. I disagreed. People want that fiery leader when the team is down. Doesn’t have to be the QB and it isn’t who Love is.

NCF wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 19:43

My mom said the same thing during the Detroit games. I disagreed. People want that fiery leader when the team is down. Doesn’t have to be the QB and it isn’t who Love is.

just ask any ref if Lafleur isn't a fiery leader? he's been all over the idiotic calls to near point of getting penalized for it at times, and I'am not asking for Love to even be that way, and he acts plenty fired up when winning, same with Lafleur, we've all seen the locker room after wins and Lafleur handing out adios and game balls.

that list of players he wants to count on are our best, the problem is they are not vocal enough when we are losing, they don't challenge each other after poor play, or incite better play, They are like factory workers just doing their jobs the day before vacation, they act like they don't give a hoot, IMO that pretty much describes our passing offense sporadically over the course of this season.

most here loved what Keven Green brought to our defense, that kind of emotion inspires great performance, no one sat on there hands mopping on our Bench with Keven around, now I'am not even saying we need that intensity, but it has to be better than what we saw from Love and some of the other players this season, either get fired up over what you claim you love, or go home, many of my Packer pal fans think Love is a bust, I'am a lot more gracious than they are

This conspiracy theory keeps getting more and more fictitious.

Rah Rah types don't have a solution other than Rah Rah. That is fine for the guys who aren't making the big decisions. I want the bosses to be the don't panic guys. Guys who can separate themselves from the chaos that is going on around them and see the big picture. Guys who can say, "this is working, that's working. This is where we are getting beat and this is what we will do about it." They say, "This is what we are going to change. Everybody do your job. We're going to pull this out." Rah Rah wastes time you could use to think. Leave that to players and position coaches.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 08:24

This conspiracy theory keeps getting more and more fictitious.

that is what you saw this year, how can you just deny it, how is that fictitious? you refuse to believe the obvious to defend what seemed like zero accountability, zero emotion from players, does Kraft or other players have to spell it out for you, what does the word culture mean to you? when Kraft says we need a new culture, he's talking about stuff like this

Culture is a term that describes the shared beliefs, values, and behaviors of a group of people. It also includes the material objects and practices common to that group.

apparently, some lack these values

WOW a lot of assumptions being made in this thread.

There are a thousand ways to Rome. The only thing that matters is belief in yourself and the team and the work ethic to get done what needs to be done and then play on Sunday. I don't think Kraft is meaning everyone needs to be hair on fire. But I'm sure he means there are guys that aren't watching film like they should be. Are not studying the play book like they should be, are not practicing with effort to improve etc and it's showing on Sunday's dropped passes, missed blocks out of position, pre-snap alignment issues etc.

Commit, put in the work, show up and play. It's all we can ask, and it is what we should expect.

Cdragon wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 08:28

Rah Rah types don't have a solution other than Rah Rah. That is fine for the guys who aren't making the big decisions. I want the bosses to be the don't panic guys. Guys who can separate themselves from the chaos that is going on around them and see the big picture. Guys who can say, "this is working, that's working. This is where we are getting beat and this is what we will do about it." They say, "This is what we are going to change. Everybody do your job. We're going to pull this out." Rah Rah wastes time you could use to think. Leave that to players and position coaches.

never considered Keven Green just a Rah Rah coach, Mathews was his best when Keven was here, and there are literally dozens of fiery rah rah type successful HC in NFL history, starting with our own Vince LOmbardi, and today's Dan Campbell, we've all seen Andy Reid, Pete Caroll, the Harbaugh's just to name a few.

I get your point, no one wants a lose cannon, to emotional to think, but these coaches and many more, are able to be both, fiery vocal leaders, as well as consistently sound thinkers, that demand accountability from their players, I felt Lafleur has been that in the past, this last season, not as much, in fact it seemed he coddled Love at times and looked frustrated other times, just thinking out loud.

NCF wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 19:43

My mom said the same thing during the Detroit games. I disagreed. People want that fiery leader when the team is down. Doesn’t have to be the QB and it isn’t who Love is.

Yeah and your mom is wrong.

People like Rah Rah fiery leaders when they win and are good. When they don't win and are struggling the ra ra guys look like clowns/showboaters. Classic examples is Jaire Alexander in his slumps or Dan Campbell in 2022 when he couldn't win a game.

People also like calm and collected guys when they win and are good. "nothing can rattle them!". When they don't win, calm and collected guys just look like they don't care. Classic example is Jordan Love in 2023 Toyotathon vs Jordan Love in 2024.

The actual act isn't what people want. It's the result.

It's just like the age old question of "creepy vs flirting". The only difference between being creepy vs flirting/sexy is if the person doing it is hot/attractive. If they are attractive...it's flirting and sexy. If they are not attractive it's creepy.

2022 - Rodgers is such a jerk in how he stares WR's down when they screw up.

2025 - I wish Jordan Love would stare WR's down when they screw up.

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 09:34

NCF wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 19:43

My mom said the same thing during the Detroit games. I disagreed. People want that fiery leader when the team is down. Doesn’t have to be the QB and it isn’t who Love is.

Yeah and your mom is wrong.

People like Rah Rah fiery leaders when they win and are good. When they don't win and are struggling the ra ra guys look like clowns/showboaters. Classic examples is Jaire Alexander in his slumps or Dan Campbell in 2022 when he couldn't win a game.

People also like calm and collected guys when they win and are good. "nothing can rattle them!". When they don't win, calm and collected guys just look like they don't care. Classic example is Jordan Love in 2023 Toyotathon vs Jordan Love in 2024.

The actual act isn't what people want. It's the result.

It's just like the age old question of "creepy vs flirting". The only difference between being creepy vs flirting/sexy is if the person doing it is hot/attractive. If they are attractive...it's flirting and sexy. If they are not attractive it's creepy.

No, you're wrong Colonel Sanders...

you can be ugly, as long as you're a singer in a rock band. But if you're a drummer it's always creepy.

Yoop wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 09:03

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 08:24

This conspiracy theory keeps getting more and more fictitious.

that is what you saw this year, how can you just deny it, how is that fictitious? you refuse to believe the obvious to defend what seemed like zero accountability, zero emotion from players, does Kraft or other players have to spell it out for you, what does the word culture mean to you? when Kraft says we need a new culture, he's talking about stuff like this

Culture is a term that describes the shared beliefs, values, and behaviors of a group of people. It also includes the material objects and practices common to that group.

apparently, some lack these values

You can't point to a specific instance where you saw these things. That is why it is fictitious.

Acrobat wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 09:48

2022 - Rodgers is such a jerk in how he stares WR's down when they screw up.

2025 - I wish Jordan Love would stare WR's down when they screw up.

you never heard that from me

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 10:04

Yoop wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 09:03

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 08:24

This conspiracy theory keeps getting more and more fictitious.

that is what you saw this year, how can you just deny it, how is that fictitious? you refuse to believe the obvious to defend what seemed like zero accountability, zero emotion from players, does Kraft or other players have to spell it out for you, what does the word culture mean to you? when Kraft says we need a new culture, he's talking about stuff like this

Culture is a term that describes the shared beliefs, values, and behaviors of a group of people. It also includes the material objects and practices common to that group.

apparently, some lack these values

You can't point to a specific instance where you saw these things. That is why it is fictitious.

It happened plenty, people like you that want specifics simply refuse to accept that reality.

musclestang wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 09:59

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 09:34

NCF wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 19:43

My mom said the same thing during the Detroit games. I disagreed. People want that fiery leader when the team is down. Doesn’t have to be the QB and it isn’t who Love is.

Yeah and your mom is wrong.

People like Rah Rah fiery leaders when they win and are good. When they don't win and are struggling the ra ra guys look like clowns/showboaters. Classic examples is Jaire Alexander in his slumps or Dan Campbell in 2022 when he couldn't win a game.

People also like calm and collected guys when they win and are good. "nothing can rattle them!". When they don't win, calm and collected guys just look like they don't care. Classic example is Jordan Love in 2023 Toyotathon vs Jordan Love in 2024.

The actual act isn't what people want. It's the result.

It's just like the age old question of "creepy vs flirting". The only difference between being creepy vs flirting/sexy is if the person doing it is hot/attractive. If they are attractive...it's flirting and sexy. If they are not attractive it's creepy.

No, you're wrong Colonel Sanders...

you can be ugly, as long as you're a singer in a rock band. But if you're a drummer it's always creepy.

Lol. There are subsitites to not being attractive.

1. Money
2. Fame
3. Other intangibles (like personality)

The above are always great subsititues but 95% of the time the substitute's best path for success is to always be tied to money. For example. Being famous but not rich is kind of empty.

Yoop wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 10:39

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 10:04

Yoop wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2025 09:03

that is what you saw this year, how can you just deny it, how is that fictitious? you refuse to believe the obvious to defend what seemed like zero accountability, zero emotion from players, does Kraft or other players have to spell it out for you, what does the word culture mean to you? when Kraft says we need a new culture, he's talking about stuff like this

Culture is a term that describes the shared beliefs, values, and behaviors of a group of people. It also includes the material objects and practices common to that group.

apparently, some lack these values

You can't point to a specific instance where you saw these things. That is why it is fictitious.

It happened plenty, people like you that want specifics simply refuse to accept that reality.

If it happened plenty you should have no problem giving us all an example of when it did.