Packers Huddle

BF004 wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 09:02

Wondered before the game how much it matters that Detroit had both coordinators interviewing for head coaching jobs. It can’t not be a distraction.


That said Dan Quinn was interviewing last year, got blown out, and clearly is doing alright this year. This loss shouldnt impact Glenn’s chances at all. Does make a ton of sense for him to go to New Orleans.

They had the extra week. They could have cranked out several gameplans for all the possible teams they'd be playing. While it is was a distraction it shouldn't have been a death sentence for the team.

Labrev wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 08:45

go pak go wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 07:13

Also couldn't help but wonder how many rings we would have had we drafted Terry McLaurin instead of Jace Sternberger.

Answer: none. Rodgers would have found a way to choke it away. Besides, Terry probably would have been pushed out in favor of more Lazard, Kumerow, washed Cobb, or some other scrubs.

Do you honestly believe that? Advocating for scrubs who worked hard in practice over scrubs that didn't work hard in practice doesn't mean he didn't prefer to have non scrubs. There are reasons to criticize Rodgers, and then there is "stuff" like this. Baloney.

Papa John wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 09:59

So what does the future look like for Jared Goff? I realize he is under contract until 2028, but if you're the Lions, you must be thinking that you made a huge mistake at this point. The Rams dealt him basically because they knew they'd never win a Super Bowl with him at the helm. So he ends up in Detroit with a juggernaut roster, and still can't get them over the hump.

In theory, would it have been possible for the Lions to amass this amount of talent while retaining Matthew Stafford? Because I am convinced that with Stafford, practically nothing would have stopped this Lions team. Maybe the Chiefs.

Goff is just fine. He's not upper level like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Mahomes, but he's good enough for sure. The likelihood they replace with with someone better is much closer to zero percent than it is 40%. It's much more likely the next guy is worse.

Their bigger issue last night was they didn't have the defense left to stop Washington. That's it. The turnovers didn't help, but they couldn't stop them anyway. We know how that usually ends up having been there ourselves a few times. Anytime they had it covered up downfield, Daniels ran for whatever they needed multiple times. and the rest, they just ran their offense and scored a lot of points.

MY_TAKE wrote: ↑

18 Jan 2025 22:15

This apparent loss by Detroit is going to be devastating to the team and fanbase. It was supposed to be their year. Maybe too many injuries but I can empathize with their fans nonetheless.
I haven't watched Daniels a ton this year, but every time I have, he looks like the greatest QB of all time. WTF

Cry me a river.

Papa John wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 09:59

So what does the future look like for Jared Goff? I realize he is under contract until 2028, but if you're the Lions, you must be thinking that you made a huge mistake at this point. The Rams dealt him basically because they knew they'd never win a Super Bowl with him at the helm. So he ends up in Detroit with a juggernaut roster, and still can't get them over the hump.

In theory, would it have been possible for the Lions to amass this amount of talent while retaining Matthew Stafford? Because I am convinced that with Stafford, practically nothing would have stopped this Lions team. Maybe the Chiefs.

We by and large know what the future is. Goff will be the starter for at least another 2 years. The Lions will go into the offseason thinking they are still a great team and oh so close and they aren't wrong. They will be thinking, "if only we were healthier we would have been the team"

The Lions will retool. Go after players in the draft. Sign players in free agency. They are sitting slightly better than the Packers in terms of cap space. They have every reason to think they can return.

The challenge for them is what will happen to their admin and coaching staff as teams inevitably try and poach from Detroit. How Detroit responds with new administration will be huge. Also how the players themselves respond now that they are being the hunted rather than the hunters. Can they keep that same hunger? Will more players want more money and retool their contracts?

Personally I feel they may have hit their peak. It is really, really hard to stay good consistently and now the Lions will find out just how hard it actually is. I wouldn't be surprised if Goff comes down to earth as teams figure out pressure packages against him and you start hearing of quarterback controversies in 2026 going into 2027.

Papa John wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 09:59

So what does the future look like for Jared Goff? I realize he is under contract until 2028, but if you're the Lions, you must be thinking that you made a huge mistake at this point. The Rams dealt him basically because they knew they'd never win a Super Bowl with him at the helm. So he ends up in Detroit with a juggernaut roster, and still can't get them over the hump.

In theory, would it have been possible for the Lions to amass this amount of talent while retaining Matthew Stafford? Because I am convinced that with Stafford, practically nothing would have stopped this Lions team. Maybe the Chiefs.

I agree with you about Goff but this year with their decimated defense I didn't see them winning it all. After a while the battle cry of "next man up" rings hollow when you run out of bodies.

go pak go wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 07:12

I've been saying for years. The Lions don't want SBs. They just want to do good enough to not get fired.

We know how you feel Lions fans. Be the team all year only to get upset by some little dipsh*t upstart.

I have a feeling this was the Lions peak. Other teams are going to be fighting to overtake them now. The division will be harder. It's so hard to stay consistently on top. It's so hard to claw back three years in a row.

Their roster is still loaded (except perhaps at QB) but I have a suspicion they will lose some assistant coaches this offseason and that may be the issue going forward. It won't break my heart...

BF004 wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 09:02

Wondered before the game how much it matters that Detroit had both coordinators interviewing for head coaching jobs. It can’t not be a distraction.


That said Dan Quinn was interviewing last year, got blown out, and clearly is doing alright this year. This loss shouldnt impact Glenn’s chances at all. Does make a ton of sense for him to go to New Orleans.

Yes. I still believe Holmgren's future was a distraction in SB XXXII.

Raptorman wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 10:27

MY_TAKE wrote: ↑

18 Jan 2025 22:15

This apparent loss by Detroit is going to be devastating to the team and fanbase. It was supposed to be their year. Maybe too many injuries but I can empathize with their fans nonetheless.
I haven't watched Daniels a ton this year, but every time I have, he looks like the greatest QB of all time. WTF

Cry me a river.

I don't understand this reaction of yours to this post.

musclestang wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 10:13

Labrev wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 08:45

go pak go wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 07:13

Also couldn't help but wonder how many rings we would have had we drafted Terry McLaurin instead of Jace Sternberger.

Answer: none. Rodgers would have found a way to choke it away. Besides, Terry probably would have been pushed out in favor of more Lazard, Kumerow, washed Cobb, or some other scrubs.

Do you honestly believe that? Advocating for scrubs who worked hard in practice over scrubs that didn't work hard in practice doesn't mean he didn't prefer to have non scrubs. There are reasons to criticize Rodgers, and then there is "stuff" like this. Baloney.

He shafted Garrett Wilson this year as the season came to a close in favor of Allen Lazard and called to 'cUt RePs" of the talented young guys that were struggling here in GB when the alternative was Sammy $%@# Watkins. So yes I do honestly believe that, and unlike you I have specific examples of him doing this, whereas you just have supposition in the form of "no no, bro, trust me bro, if we'd have given him McLaurin he'd have used him, trust me bro!!" No. We tested the hypothesis. We gave him Adams and Garrett Wilson together, then once he got Adams and no longer HAD to use Wilson heavily, he shafted him in favor of his scrub buddies like Lazard.

Labrev wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 08:45

go pak go wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 07:13

Also couldn't help but wonder how many rings we would have had we drafted Terry McLaurin instead of Jace Sternberger.

Answer: none. Rodgers would have found a way to choke it away. Besides, Terry probably would have been pushed out in favor of more Lazard, Kumerow, washed Cobb, or some other scrubs.

to funny, Rodgers wasn't the one who brought Lazard, Kumerow or even Cobb to the GB Packers, and he was never the choke artist we saw from Love who basically single handily lost us 3 games this season, our GM's wasted some of Rodgers best years with there neanderthal drafts.

just name a first round pick from Gutekunst that had more than 3 years of quality production?

Labrev wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 11:09

musclestang wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 10:13

Labrev wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 08:45

Answer: none. Rodgers would have found a way to choke it away. Besides, Terry probably would have been pushed out in favor of more Lazard, Kumerow, washed Cobb, or some other scrubs.

Do you honestly believe that? Advocating for scrubs who worked hard in practice over scrubs that didn't work hard in practice doesn't mean he didn't prefer to have non scrubs. There are reasons to criticize Rodgers, and then there is "stuff" like this. Baloney.

He shafted Garrett Wilson this year as the season came to a close in favor of Allen Lazard and called to 'cUt RePs" of the talented young guys that were struggling here in GB when the alternative was Sammy $%@# Watkins. So yes I do honestly believe that, and unlike you I have specific examples of him doing this, whereas you just have supposition in the form of "no no, bro, trust me bro, if we'd have given him McLaurin he'd have used him, trust me bro!!" No. We tested the hypothesis. We gave him Adams and Garrett Wilson together, then once he got Adams and no longer HAD to use Wilson heavily, he shafted him in favor of his scrub buddies like Lazard.

then bring em, you have no idea concerning the situation with the Jets, Lazard sure as &%$@ didn't steal targets from Williams, Adams did.

your dislike of Rodgers personally has always clouded your judgement of the player, Alway

Pugger wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 11:04

Raptorman wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 10:27

MY_TAKE wrote: ↑

18 Jan 2025 22:15

This apparent loss by Detroit is going to be devastating to the team and fanbase. It was supposed to be their year. Maybe too many injuries but I can empathize with their fans nonetheless.
I haven't watched Daniels a ton this year, but every time I have, he looks like the greatest QB of all time. WTF

Cry me a river.

I don't understand this reaction of yours to this post.

Pugger they did fine the Hit on Nixon, my apologies, NIxon reactionary lowering of the helmet prior to contact didn't matter

musclestang wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 10:13

Labrev wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 08:45

go pak go wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 07:13

Also couldn't help but wonder how many rings we would have had we drafted Terry McLaurin instead of Jace Sternberger.

Answer: none. Rodgers would have found a way to choke it away. Besides, Terry probably would have been pushed out in favor of more Lazard, Kumerow, washed Cobb, or some other scrubs.

Do you honestly believe that? Advocating for scrubs who worked hard in practice over scrubs that didn't work hard in practice doesn't mean he didn't prefer to have non scrubs. There are reasons to criticize Rodgers, and then there is "stuff" like this. Baloney.

I've disliked Rodgers the person since 2019/20, with his pissy attitude, lies and defiance, but there is no doubting the player, his skill set didn't just fall off the cliff, his receivers did, it's not enough to just have a good run game and one stand out receiver in Adams, coupled with a bunch that can't run precise routes, or catch balls thrown to them, when a QB can't depend on receivers being at pitch points you get what went on here this season, basically back yard ball were the QB has to wait for the receiver to break to even throw the ball, cause he can not depend on were that break point in the route will be, one of his picks Sunday was a prime example of that, receiver cut 5 yards too soon.

and no one here will pick up on stuff like that unless it's explained to them, but it's went on with Love, and also the last year or two with Rodgers, again it's easier since they don't know all the particulars to just blame the QB

Yoop wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 11:12

Labrev wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 08:45

go pak go wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 07:13

Also couldn't help but wonder how many rings we would have had we drafted Terry McLaurin instead of Jace Sternberger.

Answer: none. Rodgers would have found a way to choke it away. Besides, Terry probably would have been pushed out in favor of more Lazard, Kumerow, washed Cobb, or some other scrubs.

to funny, Rodgers wasn't the one who brought Lazard, Kumerow or even Cobb to the GB Packers, and he was never the choke artist we saw from Love who basically single handily lost us 3 games this season, our GM's wasted some of Rodgers best years with there neanderthal drafts.

just name a first round pick from Gutekunst that had more than 3 years of quality production?

Jaire Alexander.

Yoop wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 11:19

Pugger wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 11:04

Raptorman wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 10:27

Cry me a river.

I don't understand this reaction of yours to this post.

Pugger they did fine the Hit on Nixon, my apologies, NIxon reactionary lowering of the helmet prior to contact didn't matter

I was questioning Raptor's reaction to My_Take's post.

Yoop wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 11:34

musclestang wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 10:13

Labrev wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 08:45

Answer: none. Rodgers would have found a way to choke it away. Besides, Terry probably would have been pushed out in favor of more Lazard, Kumerow, washed Cobb, or some other scrubs.

Do you honestly believe that? Advocating for scrubs who worked hard in practice over scrubs that didn't work hard in practice doesn't mean he didn't prefer to have non scrubs. There are reasons to criticize Rodgers, and then there is "stuff" like this. Baloney.

I've disliked Rodgers the person since 2019/20, with his pissy attitude, lies and defiance, but there is no doubting the player, his skill set didn't just fall off the cliff, his receivers did, it's not enough to just have a good run game and one stand out receiver in Adams, coupled with a bunch that can't run precise routes, or catch balls thrown to them, when a QB can't depend on receivers being at pitch points you get what went on here this season, basically back yard ball were the QB has to wait for the receiver to break to even throw the ball, cause he can not depend on were that break point in the route will be, one of his picks Sunday was a prime example of that, receiver cut 5 yards too soon.

and no one here will pick up on stuff like that unless it's explained to them, but it's went on with Love, and also the last year or two with Rodgers, again it's easier since they don't know all the particulars to just blame the QB

Your post points out why even the more talented QBs still need decent reliable WRs to throw to. It is no coincident that Rodgers looked a little better in NY after Adams arrived. I'm hoping an upgrade at WR will help Love's numbers in 2025.

go pak go wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 11:40

Yoop wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 11:12

Labrev wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2025 08:45

Answer: none. Rodgers would have found a way to choke it away. Besides, Terry probably would have been pushed out in favor of more Lazard, Kumerow, washed Cobb, or some other scrubs.

to funny, Rodgers wasn't the one who brought Lazard, Kumerow or even Cobb to the GB Packers, and he was never the choke artist we saw from Love who basically single handily lost us 3 games this season, our GM's wasted some of Rodgers best years with there neanderthal drafts.

just name a first round pick from Gutekunst that had more than 3 years of quality production?

Jaire Alexander.

I'll give you '19, '20 and '22 for three. As far as the 'more than' part of the question, it's hard to see quality production from a total of 18 games in '21, '23 and '24. So, I guess it depends how one defines 'quality production' for his rookie year - some good tackle stats but one INT and the lowest PD numbers of any healthy season (plus playing in 13 games and starting 11).

That didn't take long...