Packers Huddle

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2025 10:56

Ya, the Packers have no possible shot at improvement. They are definitely a declining, cellar of the division team. Just throw in the towel now.

At our rate we'd be lucky to even finish 4th in the division.

You know how it is when you lose multiple games to end a season. The next season is already doomed. I mean just look at the 2023 into 2024 Eagles and Commanders...oh wait.

go pak go wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2025 13:46

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2025 10:56

Ya, the Packers have no possible shot at improvement. They are definitely a declining, cellar of the division team. Just throw in the towel now.

At our rate we'd be lucky to even finish 4th in the division.

We have the #1 pick in 2026 locked in, so there is that to look forward to!

APB wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2025 10:25

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2025 09:57

The Packers are at risk of finishing 4th in the 2025 NFC North standings.

You mean the same risk as every other previous year?



I see you’re starting your hand wringing a little early this year…

There is some anxiety going in to 2025. Too bad LVN and Gary weren't dominating in 2024. I don't think LaFleur is overpaid. Our offensive line is far from elite.

So is LVN a bust? Just curious what the forum thinks. I have been happy with some of Gutes free agency moves but grading his recent drafts, its starting to look more mediocre rather than good or great.

MY_TAKE wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2025 21:51

So is LVN a bust? Just curious what the forum thinks. I have been happy with some of Gutes free agency moves but grading his recent drafts, its starting to look more mediocre rather than good or great.

2 years into the league and 2 completely different schemes. Way too soon to say. For as much as I’m called a negative fan I never called for Davante to be cut. I was maybe the only one saying it was too soon to cut Amari Rodgers too. Gotta give players more than 2 years. Now if year 3 comes and goes and he’s still doing nothing for this team then it’s fair to say he’s a bum.

That said no excuse to not take Christian Gonzalez there. Idk why you wouldn’t take a top 10 talent and can’t miss CB talent.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2025 22:25

MY_TAKE wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2025 21:51

So is LVN a bust? Just curious what the forum thinks. I have been happy with some of Gutes free agency moves but grading his recent drafts, its starting to look more mediocre rather than good or great.

2 years into the league and 2 completely different schemes. Way too soon to say. For as much as I’m called a negative fan I never called for Davante to be cut. I was maybe the only one saying it was too soon to cut Amari Rodgers too. Gotta give players more than 2 years. Now if year 3 comes and goes and he’s still doing nothing for this team then it’s fair to say he’s a bum.

That said no excuse to not take Christian Gonzalez there. Idk why you wouldn’t take a top 10 talent and can’t miss CB talent.

I still think slot 13 or 15 should produce starter ability by the end of rookie season, and neither Gary or LVN were able to show or do that, other teams get those results, we are drafting edge rushers in late rounds that produce more as rookies or 2nd year players, Gary took till his 4th year, then produced 40 pressures and single digit sacks and we paid him top 10 money, now it's back to 20 pressures and less single digit sacks, and LVN looks even worse, personally I believe the move to bigger edge rushers was a mistake, there mostly bull rushers, and lack cod skills, LVN is so laterally challenged, it's why I would bulk him up and move him inside

we waste 1st round picks on DL, and it's why I would prefer just to buy DL players, it's been a act of futility for decades, 3 freaking hits since 08, ( Clark, Raji, and Mathews).

Tae was injured year two, injuries limit production,

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2025 09:57

The Packers are at risk of finishing 4th in the 2025 NFC North standings.

As are the other three teams.

APB wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2025 09:16

I think it possible he's grown as a coach over the years and also picked up a thing or two since departing after the 2021 season.

Let's hope that's the case.

BF004 wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2025 10:25

I'd be happy if he's working with QB's

Please god no.

He was WR coach when Davante broke into being a star, was QB coach and pass game coordinator during Aaron's last two MVP years.

If a coach is part of a successful team, then leaves and is bad (not, mind you, mediocre, on historically bad teams... which could actually be viewed as an achievement... but in fact BAD) then the success they had is more of an anomaly in the big scheme of things than indicative of their coaching ability.

Getsy, much like Hackett, rode Matt and Aaron's coattails but has been garbage since.

Labrev wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2025 09:36

If a coach is part of a successful team, then leaves and is bad (not, mind you, mediocre, on historically bad teams... which could actually be viewed as an achievement... but in fact BAD) then the success they had is more of an anomaly in the big scheme of things than indicative of their coaching ability.

Getsy, much like Hackett, rode Matt and Aaron's coattails but has been garbage since.

just maybe he isn't ready to be a offensive coordinator at this level, or never will be, we had an explosive passing attack with Getsy as receivers coach and passing game coordinator, and that was with one great receiver, who got even better under his watch, along with a bunch of 3rd or 4th tier receivers that also saw there ceiling with him, we groomed up Getsy, just as we now have with Mahaffey who was OL assistant the last year Getsy was here the 2nd time, Getsy left for a season when we fired McCarthy, we had a year of Mahaffey in 2024 as a receiver coach, and he showed us nothing, keep Vrabel, add both Getsy and Slowick, both know the ropes and are very qualified, we hired Clements because we lost Getsy, doubt it had to do with competence concerning coaching up QB's, LOve has a propensity for returning to bad technique when he can't find open receivers, fix the receivers and you fix LOVE, jmo.

I'm not really a fan of Getsy or Hacket or Slowick

musclestang wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2025 10:50

I'm not really a fan of Getsy or Hacket or Slowick

I know less about Hackett or Slowick, but I seem to recall talk of Getsy being considered in line to be our OC under Lafleur, minus the position of play caller which he new wouldn't happen under Lafleur, so he left according to this hoping to gain more experience while a opening for that job would present itself in the future, sure enough it did a year later, and went to the Bears to do, and this article points that out, his failure with the Bears may have had more to do with Fields, poor OL and WR's then Getsy?????

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-b ... at%20honor.

Not the news I was hoping for. But at this point, I assume Bisaccia was sticking around.

Gonna leave some around here with a twist in their drawers...

That’s wild to me that they extend Bisaccia for leading a really underachieving STs unit this year. Had snaps, bad kickers, bad coverages, poor return decisions. Best thing he did was scheme up a block against the Bears that prevented from going defeated in the division.

More on the Bisaccia extension:


I am anti-Getsy but O assistant does not bother me. He might be very useful in that they can do the opposite of whatever he suggests. My only concern is they might decide later to put him in the QB coach role, or OC, because it would be the easy thing.

Bisaccia thing, man. I dunno. I was vociferous in my opposition to him for the first half of the season. Then in the second half, our ST looked... actually kind of decent? I wondered if maybe having a solid kicker for once in McManus freed up Rich to spend less time and attention of the FG operation and more on the other stuff, leading to the improvement.

But then his unit screwed the pooch in Week 18 and the Wild Card game.

I also don't like that, if not for the extension, that he was going to retire (if indeed that's true). Do we really want a guy with one foot out the door (again, if true)? I also kind of wanted them to 'fire' him from Assistant HC so he can just focus on cleaning up the ST stuff. So I am not fond of having him be "game management advisor" or whatever.

I don't hate that news because mayyyyybe he could be good at coaching the STs now that we don't need him to "fix" a bad PK, and can work on getting the other units working well, but I have more concerns than optimism.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2025 15:56

That’s wild to me that they extend Bisaccia for leading a really underachieving STs unit this year. Had snaps, bad kickers, bad coverages, poor return decisions. Best thing he did was scheme up a block against the Bears that prevented from going defeated in the division.

The trouble is that is still a 100% improvement.

Cdragon wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2025 21:23

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2025 15:56

That’s wild to me that they extend Bisaccia for leading a really underachieving STs unit this year. Had snaps, bad kickers, bad coverages, poor return decisions. Best thing he did was scheme up a block against the Bears that prevented from going defeated in the division.

The trouble is that is still a 100% improvement.

They still rated as PFF's worst ST unit.

I thought he'd be gone this off-season. None of his units since hiring have shown much in the way of consistent quality play. The only consistent thing is their toilet ranking among league-wide peers.

I hear he's a good locker room guy and a quality mentor who relates to the young players. That's great. Let him hang around as Special Assistant to the Director of Player Development but get somebody else to coach STs.

I would say this is more toward my train of thought on the matter.

As for the game manager title, is that new for next year?

It's always a balance between players and coaches and we're not in that locker room to know which side is lacking. We saw a lot of the same mistakes, but IMO they did get better 2nd half last year, but then I've played with and worked with a lot of people that are always going to make the same mistakes. They just can't get it and sometimes you're forced to work with them. So then what?

I do know I generally like special teams coaches as they seem to have a good pulse and relationship with the whole team. as much as OC's and DC's get looked at for HC positions, I think the best ST coaches are right there with them if not more so in their ability to lead a team.

Bisaccia took over the first third of the season after Gruden was ousted over old emails and led them to the playoffs for the first time in a few years as an interim HC. I think he has the ability to coach and lead at a high level.

So either i'm wrong, possible, he's lost his desire or ability, or he has some guys that just can't get the job done but that's what he has to work with. I'm leaning towards that as the reality.