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TheGreenMan wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 11:44

go pak go wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 10:58

Very happy for Kenny. Sounds like a fair deal for both.

Chris Jones got $85 for 4 years. Overall very happy. But we do have some spendy players on our defensive front 7 now.

Definitely and honestly I think Pettine's seat is getting warm. He's gotta do something with these guys and improving our run defense. Not a lot of excuses.

He and gutey really need to find some cheap run stuffers at the other DE positions, bc that And ILB play is really neutering the effects of the stud OLB and NT. If teams can double Kenny all day, and the ends don’t punish them for that...that’s a bad deal. I still think we can improve from Adams and Lowry without putting much capital into the position. Simple upgrades would seem to make the money spent on the studs better spent.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 13:00

TheGreenMan wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 11:44

go pak go wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 10:58

Very happy for Kenny. Sounds like a fair deal for both.

Chris Jones got $85 for 4 years. Overall very happy. But we do have some spendy players on our defensive front 7 now.

Definitely and honestly I think Pettine's seat is getting warm. He's gotta do something with these guys and improving our run defense. Not a lot of excuses.

He and gutey really need to find some cheap run stuffers at the other DE positions, bc that And ILB play is really neutering the effects of the stud OLB and NT. If teams can double Kenny all day, and the ends don’t punish them for that...that’s a bad deal. I still think we can improve from Adams and Lowry without putting much capital into the position. Simple upgrades would seem to make the money spent on the studs better spent.

My biggest hope for the 1st round the last two years has been DT for a reason. I want another stud by Clark so bad. Of course that comes at an opportunity cost. But man having another by Kenny would make this defense so good.

I was really hoping last year that Adams would be that guy. I don't think that's going to happen. So the hope now is Keke becomes that guy.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 13:00

TheGreenMan wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 11:44

go pak go wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 10:58

Very happy for Kenny. Sounds like a fair deal for both.

Chris Jones got $85 for 4 years. Overall very happy. But we do have some spendy players on our defensive front 7 now.

Definitely and honestly I think Pettine's seat is getting warm. He's gotta do something with these guys and improving our run defense. Not a lot of excuses.

He and gutey really need to find some cheap run stuffers at the other DE positions, bc that And ILB play is really neutering the effects of the stud OLB and NT. If teams can double Kenny all day, and the ends don’t punish them for that...that’s a bad deal. I still think we can improve from Adams and Lowry without putting much capital into the position. Simple upgrades would seem to make the money spent on the studs better spent.

It also does sound like we did indeed make a run at Snack Harrison and he turned us down which honestly really surprises me.

I thought he'd be a perfect match for us in GB of what we want him to do.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 13:00

TheGreenMan wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 11:44

go pak go wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 10:58

Very happy for Kenny. Sounds like a fair deal for both.

Chris Jones got $85 for 4 years. Overall very happy. But we do have some spendy players on our defensive front 7 now.

Definitely and honestly I think Pettine's seat is getting warm. He's gotta do something with these guys and improving our run defense. Not a lot of excuses.

He and gutey really need to find some cheap run stuffers at the other DE positions, bc that And ILB play is really neutering the effects of the stud OLB and NT. If teams can double Kenny all day, and the ends don’t punish them for that...that’s a bad deal. I still think we can improve from Adams and Lowry without putting much capital into the position. Simple upgrades would seem to make the money spent on the studs better spent.

We certainly need some better depth behind Clark. I honestly feel like ILB is a problem every other year, if not every year.

TheGreenMan wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 16:12

Drj820 wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 13:00

TheGreenMan wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 11:44

Definitely and honestly I think Pettine's seat is getting warm. He's gotta do something with these guys and improving our run defense. Not a lot of excuses.

He and gutey really need to find some cheap run stuffers at the other DE positions, bc that And ILB play is really neutering the effects of the stud OLB and NT. If teams can double Kenny all day, and the ends don’t punish them for that...that’s a bad deal. I still think we can improve from Adams and Lowry without putting much capital into the position. Simple upgrades would seem to make the money spent on the studs better spent.

We certainly need some better depth behind Clark. I honestly feel like ILB is a problem every other year, if not every year.

Christian Kirksey and Kamal Martin will shore that spot up for years to come.

If Kirksey can stay on the field.

Last season, per Pro Football Focus, only Aaron Donald and Calais Campbell had more total pressures among players listed as interior defensive linemen than Clark with 69. As Campbell played end a lot of the time, and Donald is from another planet from a talent perspective, that puts Clark in rarefied air. Clark also had more stops than any other interior defensive lineman with 45. As effective as the pass-rushing tandem of Za’Darius Smith and Preston Smith was last season, that duo would not have been able to wreak as much havoc without Clark beating people up from center to guard.


69 cumulative's from a 2 gaping DT, what the hell you say

TheGreenMan wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 16:12

Drj820 wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 13:00

TheGreenMan wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2020 11:44

Definitely and honestly I think Pettine's seat is getting warm. He's gotta do something with these guys and improving our run defense. Not a lot of excuses.

He and gutey really need to find some cheap run stuffers at the other DE positions, bc that And ILB play is really neutering the effects of the stud OLB and NT. If teams can double Kenny all day, and the ends don’t punish them for that...that’s a bad deal. I still think we can improve from Adams and Lowry without putting much capital into the position. Simple upgrades would seem to make the money spent on the studs better spent.

We certainly need some better depth behind Clark. I honestly feel like ILB is a problem every other year, if not every year.

No it’s been every year. Every single year. This team hasn’t fielded two competent linebackers since switching to the 3-4 and even prior to that I don’t think they had fielded two competent linebackers since Barnett and Hawk in the 4-3.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

16 Aug 2020 10:32

No it’s been every year. Every single year. This team hasn’t fielded two competent linebackers since switching to the 3-4 and even prior to that I don’t think they had fielded two competent linebackers since Barnett and Hawk in the 4-3.

Barnett, Hawk, and Chillar were the first incarnation under Capers in the 3-4 and that was a pretty good unit. The D was definitely hurt in 2010 when Chillar and Barnett went down, but thankfully they found a hidden gem in Desmond Bishop (Mr. August).

Once Hawk's skills eroded and Bishop got hurt, it was pretty much downhill from there. Barrington, Jamari Lattimore, Jake Ryan, Blake Martinez... all just not good enough. It will be interesting to see how that group performs this year as I think they are more talented than they have been in AT LEAST 5 years.

Our run stopping only NT is one of the best in football!

Congratulations, Kenny Clark. Only 24 years old.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

16 Aug 2020 13:21

Our run stopping only NT is one of the best in football!

Where do those pressure and hurries stats come from? assume pff

No issues with Clark - I will just assume its a good market contract and we get the benefit of spreading it over 1 more year.

He will hopefully keep getting better and from early camp reports it is looking that way. It would be nice to add someone else to the team to give him some relief as he seemed to burn out near end of year last year. Hard to blame the guy if he has to carry the interior all year.

Honestly, I feel pretty good about this.

My proposed extension for Clark: His actual extension: My version has, in essence a dummy/option year at the end where it'd be easy to release or extend if the cap isn't high enough; and overall is for more money/year. But generally, the structure of keeping 2020 at the current value and making 21 cheap AF followed by a jump and then consistent growth is spot on

Yeah that is pretty nice. Definitely gives us a lot of flexibility for 2021 and we really could get an out in 2024 if we feel we need to. So this does seem to be a good deal for us. We would only need to suffer through a horrible "over pay" if something goes against plans for really one....maybe two years.

But he will be still so young after the end of this deal.

But lordy....we get some expensive boys on the ole payroll come 2022 and 2023.

go pak go wrote: ↑

25 Aug 2020 09:30

Yeah that is pretty nice. Definitely gives us a lot of flexibility for 2021.

Yeah. I mean, I expect all the big contracts to look a lot like this around the league.

2021 will be a crunch, but as I've said, the cap will skyrocket in 2022 when the big new TV deal gets done. I'd bet on a 30% increase if not smoothed out over additional years. Teams are planning for getting through a tough year and then having very little in the way of fiscal limitations for a year or two before the growth returns to a normal year-to-year growth.

This is how the new tv deal years always look--a huge jump, then something like 6-8% annual growth thereafter. And there is no sign at all that this upcoming deal will be any different. Only fear and speculation.

Here's my guess as to future salary cap growths.

According to OvertheCap, in 2022, including the new Kenny Clark deal, the Packers have $165 million committed to 34 players.

The current cap is $198 million. It will not be below that in 2022. So we have enough space to fill out a roster while keeping Clark, Z, Preston, and Rodgers. Two-three more big numbers will be in there for Davante Adams and David Bakhtiari and Jaire. Depending on growth, it could get TIGHT, but there is no reason to read into the numbers and start saying we can't afford to keep our guys anymore. Already seeing a ton of "well, this is proof that Rodgers is gone" takes. Hogwash. Might it happen? Yeah. Is it necessary? Nopers.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

25 Aug 2020 10:03

According to OvertheCap, in 2022, including the new Kenny Clark deal, the Packers have $165 million committed to 34 players.

The current cap is $198 million. It will not be below that in 2022. So we have enough space to fill out a roster while keeping Clark, Z, Preston, and Rodgers. Two-three more big numbers will be in there for Davante Adams and David Bakhtiari and Jaire. Depending on growth, it could get TIGHT, but there is no reason to read into the numbers and start saying we can't afford to keep our guys anymore. Already seeing a ton of "well, this is proof that Rodgers is gone" takes. Hogwash. Might it happen? Yeah. Is it necessary? Nopers.

I just really like Kevin King. And I know he is gone and it rips my Packer soul.

And it will rip everyone's soul when they see just how good he is this year.