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Foosball wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 18:00

This is a sign. The Packers are going after Watt.

where half way there, (everyone has a crush on JJ ) for what it will cost for JJ Watt, we could resign Jones Linsley, and rework Rodgers contract, and possibly sign a cheap vet CB,

Yoop wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 19:34

Foosball wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 18:00

This is a sign. The Packers are going after Watt.

where half way there, (everyone has a crush on JJ ) for what it will cost for JJ Watt, we could resign Jones Linsley, and rework Rodgers contract, and possibly sign a cheap vet CB,

Did Brady beat the Packers or was it the Tampa Bay D. I know what you’re going to say. The Packers beat the Packers.

My point is one JJ Watt = 1.5Jones + 2 Linsleys

Foosball wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 19:46

Yoop wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 19:34

Foosball wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 18:00

This is a sign. The Packers are going after Watt.

where half way there, (everyone has a crush on JJ ) for what it will cost for JJ Watt, we could resign Jones Linsley, and rework Rodgers contract, and possibly sign a cheap vet CB,

Did Brady beat the Packers or was it the Tampa Bay D. I know what you’re going to say. The Packers beat the Packers.

My point is one JJ Watt = 1.5Jones + 2 Linsleys

I need to rework my equation.

1 JJ Watt = (1.5Jones + 2 Linsleys) - (Dillon + Jake Hanson)

Foosball wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 19:46

Yoop wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 19:34

Foosball wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 18:00

This is a sign. The Packers are going after Watt.

where half way there, (everyone has a crush on JJ ) for what it will cost for JJ Watt, we could resign Jones Linsley, and rework Rodgers contract, and possibly sign a cheap vet CB,

Did Brady beat the Packers or was it the Tampa Bay D. I know what you’re going to say. The Packers beat the Packers.

My point is one JJ Watt = 1.5Jones + 2 Linsleys

Kevin King beat the Packers.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 19:31

go pak go wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 19:25

Drj820 wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 19:00

Doubt we are looking at a situation where dropping Preston guarantees Watt

Doubt even more we are looking at a situation where signing JJ means we can keep Preston.

I mean that’s well known. There isn’t any possible scenario where that happens.

yup

I wonder what Kirksey’s release means for the draft. I am going to assume that Guty and MLF are happy with our two young ILBs. But if a good one is available, don’t you go after him?

go pak go wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 18:27

Pugger wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 18:25

Ghost_Lombardi wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 15:41

Cap savings in 10.25 million

Now release Preston, sign Watt, and rework Rodgers.

I might be in the minority that hopes we can keep Preston. As long as we don't ask him to cover TEs he's been productive.

No. I want JJ

I do too but I'm hoping Preston will either restructure or take a pay cut so we could have both. I don't think you can have too many pass rushers.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2021 06:33

I wonder what Kirksey’s release means for the draft. I am going to assume that Guty and MLF are happy with our two young ILBs. But if a good one is available, don’t you go after him?

They haven't historically. But I also don't know what this draft looks like for ILB talent. The little I've read, it doesn't sound like a position people are talking about as strong in this class.

go pak go wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 19:25

Drj820 wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 19:00

go pak go wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 18:27

No. I want JJ

Doubt we are looking at a situation where dropping Preston guarantees Watt

Doubt even more we are looking at a situation where signing JJ means we can keep Preston.

This is the packers, doubt we are signing JJ (unless his next charity endeavor is playing in GB for well under his value)

Drj820 wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2021 07:32

go pak go wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 19:25

Drj820 wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 19:00

Doubt we are looking at a situation where dropping Preston guarantees Watt

Doubt even more we are looking at a situation where signing JJ means we can keep Preston.

This is the packers, doubt we are signing JJ (unless his next charity endeavor is playing in GB for well under his value)

Yup. The most likely Packers story for 2021 is we release some players. Don't sign anyone. See progress from Gary and Savage to get us excited but have holes at the Dline, ILB and CB to make us exposed. Go 10-6 or 11-5. Win the North. Get the 3 seed and exit in the Divisional Rounds.

go pak go wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2021 08:04

Drj820 wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2021 07:32

go pak go wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2021 19:25

Doubt even more we are looking at a situation where signing JJ means we can keep Preston.

This is the packers, doubt we are signing JJ (unless his next charity endeavor is playing in GB for well under his value)

Yup. The most likely Packers story for 2021 is we release some players. Don't sign anyone. See progress from Gary and Savage to get us excited but have holes at the Dline, ILB and CB to make us exposed. Go 10-6 or 11-5. Win the North. Get the 3 seed and exit in the Divisional Rounds.

To be fair people said this past year and they make it to the SH if not for how terrible King was.

I do expect the team to go into the year with one glaring hole they JD last season and not address it. They always do.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2021 15:30

go pak go wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2021 08:04

Drj820 wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2021 07:32

This is the packers, doubt we are signing JJ (unless his next charity endeavor is playing in GB for well under his value)

Yup. The most likely Packers story for 2021 is we release some players. Don't sign anyone. See progress from Gary and Savage to get us excited but have holes at the Dline, ILB and CB to make us exposed. Go 10-6 or 11-5. Win the North. Get the 3 seed and exit in the Divisional Rounds.

To be fair people said this past year and they make it to the SH if not for how terrible King was.

I do expect the team to go into the year with one glaring hole they JD last season and not address it. They always do.

Yeah I was always fairly bullish on the 2020 Packers. I was a little concerned about RT and ILB but the Kirksey and Wagner signings got me pretty excited. But the 2020 Packers was all about if we got a step up from Rodgers. We definitely did.

What's strange is the Kirksey signing was a waste which I didn't expect. In August, I expected a 12-4 / 13-3 season. At this point I don't expect that for 2021 unless we have one or two exciting things happen to this team pre-draft and during draft.

What's strange is the Kirksey signing was a waste which I didn't expect. In August, I expected a 12-4 / 13-3 season. At this point I don't expect that for 2021 unless we have one or two exciting things happen to this team pre-draft and during draft.
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It's too early for me to think about the overall 2021 Packers regular season record, but based on the list of opponents and all of the uncertainty in our roster ......... I can see sweeping the North. And none of our 2021 opponents that made the 2020 playoffs scare me (Ravens, Rams, Browns, Steelers, Seahawks, Hogs, Saints, Bears). The other teams that we play in 2021 are the Bengals, Cardinals, 49ers. Maybe a Game 17 will be thrown in there as well.

'Ho Hum' I say.........Ho Hum.

go pak go wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2021 19:34

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2021 15:30

go pak go wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2021 08:04

Yup. The most likely Packers story for 2021 is we release some players. Don't sign anyone. See progress from Gary and Savage to get us excited but have holes at the Dline, ILB and CB to make us exposed. Go 10-6 or 11-5. Win the North. Get the 3 seed and exit in the Divisional Rounds.

To be fair people said this past year and they make it to the SH if not for how terrible King was.

I do expect the team to go into the year with one glaring hole they JD last season and not address it. They always do.

Yeah I was always fairly bullish on the 2020 Packers. I was a little concerned about RT and ILB but the Kirksey and Wagner signings got me pretty excited. But the 2020 Packers was all about if we got a step up from Rodgers. We definitely did.

What's strange is the Kirksey signing was a waste which I didn't expect. In August, I expected a 12-4 / 13-3 season. At this point I don't expect that for 2021 unless we have one or two exciting things happen to this team pre-draft and during draft.

I was wrong on Tonyan..who had such a good year he is no automatic to return...and correct on Kirksey. I trashed that acquisition as a non answer to the problem from the beginning. We are very fortunate Barnes came out of no where and showed so much promise.

I finally saw a concession that the Kirksey signing was a “stop gap” singing from the beginning. In other words, it was definitely intended to be a prove it deal. If Kirksey showed something special, he would’ve been able to stay (and keep his salary). But the assumption was that he would only provide a viable starter presence long enough for another solution to be found.

With his familiarity with Pettine, he didn’t need to be “good” but rather “good enough.” And I suppose he was for the most part. But the Packers are definitely wanting better than “good enough.” Now they have two guys for sure who can actually be more than good enough. And Kirksey didn’t show anything special at all. So, it wasn’t an issue to release him.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2021 23:45

I finally saw a concession that the Kirksey signing was a “stop gap” singing from the beginning. In other words, it was definitely intended to be a prove it deal. If Kirksey showed something special, he would’ve been able to stay (and keep his salary). But the assumption was that he would only provide a viable starter presence long enough for another solution to be found.

With his familiarity with Pettine, he didn’t need to be “good” but rather “good enough.” And I suppose he was for the most part. But the Packers are definitely wanting better than “good enough.” Now they have two guys for sure who can actually be more than good enough. And Kirksey didn’t show anything special at all. So, it wasn’t an issue to release him.

I actually thought in the beginning he was just asked to be something that he is not. Almost like Blake Martinez was for us. They had Kirksey wearing the dot and being the Mic backer and ILB1 and all that is required of that position. He simply has had too many injuries/too old to do all that thinking, plus play fast enough to the job well.

I felt like once he came back from injury and no longer had those responsibilities and was just asked to play ILB2 he looked much better. I remember several plays that he pleasantly surprised me.

So no, he didn't earn his salary or do what he was hired to do...but I think he could be helpful to our linebacking crew at a rate that resembled he was first off the bench or the second fiddle.

Crazy still $12 million over cap.

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2021 01:05

Crazy still $12 million over cap.

Still moves to be made. I could see them trying to talk negotiations with Lowry and Preston to take a pay cut before actually making the cut. They might actually get one out of Lowry. I would just sit him down and tell him: "Look. Heres the dealio. Youre our 9th highest paid player. You play like our 20th best player. The contract we gave you was do to a mentally declining and almost insane GM so really it wasnt even my decision. What youre really worth is Professor Copperfields miracle legumes. You can take this 3 million dollar pay cut or you can take your chances in FA where I can almost guarantee you you arent getting signed in a year like this. The choice is yours."

As for Preston I cant see him taking a pay cut. Hes just making too much and probably what he gets for getting cut plus what he gets signed to in FA is equal to what hed make anyways.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2021 00:28

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2021 23:45

I finally saw a concession that the Kirksey signing was a “stop gap” singing from the beginning. In other words, it was definitely intended to be a prove it deal. If Kirksey showed something special, he would’ve been able to stay (and keep his salary). But the assumption was that he would only provide a viable starter presence long enough for another solution to be found.

With his familiarity with Pettine, he didn’t need to be “good” but rather “good enough.” And I suppose he was for the most part. But the Packers are definitely wanting better than “good enough.” Now they have two guys for sure who can actually be more than good enough. And Kirksey didn’t show anything special at all. So, it wasn’t an issue to release him.

I actually thought in the beginning he was just asked to be something that he is not. Almost like Blake Martinez was for us. They had Kirksey wearing the dot and being the Mic backer and ILB1 and all that is required of that position. He simply has had too many injuries/too old to do all that thinking, plus play fast enough to the job well.

I felt like once he came back from injury and no longer had those responsibilities and was just asked to play ILB2 he looked much better. I remember several plays that he pleasantly surprised me.

So no, he didn't earn his salary or do what he was hired to do...but I think he could be helpful to our linebacking crew at a rate that resembled he was first off the bench or the second fiddle.

I appreciate your other points. But my point was that Kirksey actually did pretty well at what he was supposed to do. He disappointed in some ways. But the bar wasn’t really that high for him anyhow.

They certainly paid him enough to be a starter and not a rotational player. But that isn’t a knock on him either. In a sense, it’s like trying to fit the square peg in the round hole. The Packers felt well enough that they could fit that square peg into place. But now that they have one or two round pegs, it’s time to let go of the square one.

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2021 01:05

Crazy still $12 million over cap.

Assuming that Preston will not take a big salary cut, he will solve that $12 mil problem.
We have discussed Linsley and the RB choice between Jones and Williams but there is another problem:

A restricted free agent is eligible for one of three tenders. The right-of-first-refusal tender is projected to be $2.133 million, according to OverTheCap.com. With that, the Packers can retain Tonyan by matching any offer but would get nothing in return if they let him depart. The second-round tender is projected to be $3.384 million and the first-round tender is projected to be $4.766 million. As is the case with the right-of-first-refusal tender, the Packers can keep Tonyan by matching any offer but would be compensated with the corresponding draft pick should they let him go to another team.

After showing bits and pieces of his potential in 2018 and 2019, Tonyan was a breakout star this year with 52 receptions for 586 yards and 11 touchdowns. Of the 34 tight ends who were targeted at least 40 times in the passing game, Tonyan was No. 1 in catch percentage (89.7), drop percentage (0.0) and passer rating (148.3), according to Pro Football Focus. In the bizarro world that is Pro Bowl voting, he lost out to the Giants’ Evan Engram, who had more receptions (63) and yards (654) but lagged far behind in touchdowns (one), catch percentage (61.8), drop percentage (11.3) and passer rating (59.8).
Quotes are from Packers Central.
The problem, of course is that Tonyan is going to get a big raise. He is arguably the best TE in the league and the 2nd round tender is not going to keep him unless the Packers match. It seems to me that the Packers are going to have to pay close to 5 mil to keep him so they might as well limit their problem to $4.766 mil by putting the 1st round tender on him. Otherwise someone is going to pay him 5 mil and the Packers only get a 2nd round pick for him. He had a cap of only $750k in 2020