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Re: YoHo's "One Month More" Mock
Posted: 29 Mar 2021 23:09
by Drj820
go pak go wrote: ↑29 Mar 2021 15:07
The Packers since their SB has essentially two players I would call successful picks in the 1st round.
1. Kenny Clark
2. Jaire Alexander
The only other player who was offered a legitimate 2nd contract (let's call it a 2.5 contract) was Nick Perry. Overall I can't chaulk that selection up to a bad pick, but how they handled Nick with that 1 year prove it deal when Nick said he would have accepted a 2 year for $10 million was stupid.
But we got to do better than essentially a 20% - 30% hit rate in 8 - 9 years.
Probably a good look at why we havent been back to a superbowl yet we have the best QB on planet earth
Re: YoHo's "One Month More" Mock
Posted: 30 Mar 2021 03:33
by TheSkeptic
Drj820 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2021 23:09
go pak go wrote: ↑29 Mar 2021 15:07
The Packers since their SB has essentially two players I would call successful picks in the 1st round.
1. Kenny Clark
2. Jaire Alexander
The only other player who was offered a legitimate 2nd contract (let's call it a 2.5 contract) was Nick Perry. Overall I can't chaulk that selection up to a bad pick, but how they handled Nick with that 1 year prove it deal when Nick said he would have accepted a 2 year for $10 million was stupid.
But we got to do better than essentially a 20% - 30% hit rate in 8 - 9 years.
Probably a good look at why we havent been back to a superbowl
yet we have the best QB on planet earth
Tom Brady is the GOAT. It wasn't Belichick, it was Brady.
Re: YoHo's "One Month More" Mock
Posted: 30 Mar 2021 07:40
by Packfntk
Backthepack4ever wrote: ↑29 Mar 2021 16:35
TheSkeptic wrote: ↑29 Mar 2021 14:10
I thought that the goal this year was to not have our #1 pick warm the pine all season. Maybe I am wrong but this kid you are advocating at #34 has zero chance of replacing Adams, baring Adams going on season ending IR.
And he has slim chance of starting at WR#2 also because he is not big enough and likely does not know how to block in the running game. You are going to ask him to block a LB or a safety as Lazard routinely does - really?
In the slot? But I thought the goal was to have the Packers base be 2 TE's? Or a TE and an H-back and then there is no slot.
Stay at #29 and draft Zaven Collins or Alex Leatherwood or Sam Cosmi No problems with the rest of your mock but this frees you up to take another CB instead of a lineman later in your draft if you want.
Huh.
Why would Bateman warm the pine. Ive never seen the packers deploy 1 we all game. Why would the pick have to force adams out?? I guess you really lost me. This wr2 stuff is so over blown. Who was the wr2 on the chiefs or bucs. Give me a room full of guys that can play and be threats. Bateman plays on any and every team year 1
Now I like some other guys more but I agree thst hes a future stud and his game mirrors adams. Not the mist explosive or homerun guy but dang he will just slowly eat you alive. The footwork and body control in year 3 will be pro bowler
This. I have no clue where he is headed with the "Adams and Bateman could not be on the same field" thing. Baffling.
Re: YoHo's "One Month More" Mock
Posted: 30 Mar 2021 07:58
by go pak go
Drj820 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2021 23:09
go pak go wrote: ↑29 Mar 2021 15:07
The Packers since their SB has essentially two players I would call successful picks in the 1st round.
1. Kenny Clark
2. Jaire Alexander
The only other player who was offered a legitimate 2nd contract (let's call it a 2.5 contract) was Nick Perry. Overall I can't chaulk that selection up to a bad pick, but how they handled Nick with that 1 year prove it deal when Nick said he would have accepted a 2 year for $10 million was stupid.
But we got to do better than essentially a 20% - 30% hit rate in 8 - 9 years.
Probably a good look at why we havent been back to a superbowl yet we have the best QB on planet earth
That's harder for me to get behind. I think the Packers have stocked Rodgers with plenty of years of rosters that could do it all. I think 3 years for sure Rodgers and the Packers were the team best positioned in the conference to go the Super Bowl from the NFC. 2011, 2014, 2020. Rodgers owns just as much responsibility as anyone else for not executing during those opportunities.
I also get hesitant when people blame Rodgers's and the players' failures on the front office alone.
I actually view the poor 1st pick struggles more on the obvious decline of the 2015 - 2018 Packers and also why we were forced to overspend on some FA's in the offseason of 2019 (fortunately we got bailed out because they all actually turned out to be pretty good players).
But even the Ted era did pretty decent (up to 2014) of covering those earlier misses. Drafting David Bahktiari for instance in the 4th round bailed out the 1st round swing and miss of Sherrod. Signing Julius Peppers in the most Ted Thompson way bailed out the Nick Perry miss.
I think where you really then start to see the misses of the 1st round picks was 2015 and afterward. Even that 2016 roster was really bad. That is the one season where Rodgers clearly put the team on his back. I think overall our 1st round misses probably took away 2015, 2016 and 2018 (I am leaving out 2017 since Rodgers was hurt anyways)
But it needs to be stated how bad we were at drafting CBs and Safeties in that 4 year stretch. We invested a lot of draft capital in the 2ndary from 2014 - 2019 and for the longest time had absolutely terrible results to show for it.
Re: YoHo's "One Month More" Mock
Posted: 30 Mar 2021 08:08
by YoHoChecko
Genuinely, shove all the "this is why we have/haven't won and who's to blame" talk all the way out of my mock thread.
Re: YoHo's "One Month More" Mock
Posted: 30 Mar 2021 09:30
by Yoop
go pak go wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021 07:58
Drj820 wrote: ↑29 Mar 2021 23:09
go pak go wrote: ↑29 Mar 2021 15:07
The Packers since their SB has essentially two players I would call successful picks in the 1st round.
1. Kenny Clark
2. Jaire Alexander
The only other player who was offered a legitimate 2nd contract (let's call it a 2.5 contract) was Nick Perry. Overall I can't chaulk that selection up to a bad pick, but how they handled Nick with that 1 year prove it deal when Nick said he would have accepted a 2 year for $10 million was stupid.
But we got to do better than essentially a 20% - 30% hit rate in 8 - 9 years.
Probably a good look at why we havent been back to a superbowl yet we have the best QB on planet earth
That's harder for me to get behind. I think the Packers have stocked Rodgers with plenty of years of rosters that could do it all. I think 3 years for sure Rodgers and the Packers were the team best positioned in the conference to go the Super Bowl from the NFC. 2011, 2014, 2020. Rodgers owns just as much responsibility as anyone else for not executing during those opportunities.
I also get hesitant when people blame Rodgers's and the players' failures on the front office alone.
I actually view the poor 1st pick struggles more on the obvious decline of the 2015 - 2018 Packers and also why we were forced to overspend on some FA's in the offseason of 2019 (fortunately we got bailed out because they all actually turned out to be pretty good players).
But even the Ted era did pretty decent (up to 2014) of covering those earlier misses. Drafting David Bahktiari for instance in the 4th round bailed out the 1st round swing and miss of Sherrod. Signing Julius Peppers in the most Ted Thompson way bailed out the Nick Perry miss.
I think where you really then start to see the misses of the 1st round picks was 2015 and afterward. Even that 2016 roster was really bad. That is the one season where Rodgers clearly put the team on his back. I think overall our 1st round misses probably took away 2015, 2016 and 2018 (I am leaving out 2017 since Rodgers was hurt anyways)
But it needs to be stated how bad we were at drafting CBs and Safeties in that 4 year stretch. We invested a lot of draft capital in the 2ndary from 2014 - 2019 and for the longest time had absolutely terrible results to show for it.
we where a one dimensional team in 011, we had zero run game and a mediocre defense, our passing game was the reason we almost went undefeated, once KC decided to give up the underneath routes and stop the verticals we where toast, same thing in the playoffs, that was the only defensive scheme that could slow down our arial onslaught.
2014's loss was do to McCarthy becoming ultra conservative, and 2020 was do to mistakes and poor play, not only from Adams who was blanketed all game, but also from lesser receivers, and and KIng being targeted by very good WR's.
you defend the FO with every one of these conversations, ( although you now admit to some very poor drafting ) we've never drafted a !st round WR, and the last 2nd rounder was Adams 6 years ago and prior to him it was Cobb 4 years prior to Adams, do you realize how insane this is? ya have a great gunner like Rodgers and instead of giving him talented receivers, ya give him players that need two or more years of coaching up to win with ( moe, Larry and Curly
)
Re: YoHo's "One Month More" Mock
Posted: 30 Mar 2021 10:01
by Yoop
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑29 Mar 2021 09:54
Round 4, Pick 135: Amari Rodgers
WR Clemson 5'10" 212, 4.51 40, 7.12 3-cone, 33 vert, 24 reps
On one hand, Rodgers running in the low 4.5s was disappointing for me; he seemed faster on tape. On the other hand, perhaps that cooled all the Day Two talk for a slot guy and I can put him where I actually want to take him--the 4th. His thickness adds extra versatility, as he can play out of the backfield. He's a high-level return man and STs, and he's just reliable as all get-out working the middle of the field. And he's STRONG, which suits our offense and sets him apart from the other sot guys in this draft. That's a RB body with slot WR skills.
never found a 40 time on Rodgers, I thought he was faster as well just from watching him separate from coverage in the high light vids, Cobb wasn't much faster and look how explosive he was, some guys are just faster then they time.
looks like a really good mock, Havn't researched all the players yet but it looks like you covered all the weak spots well.
Re: YoHo's "One Month More" Mock
Posted: 01 Apr 2021 14:36
by YoHoChecko
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑29 Mar 2021 19:48
And that Boise St guy is depth on defense. Admittedly the only tape I could find of him at CB was from two years ago but it was...not good. That's a ST pick and depth. It would shock me if he develops into a starter even inside based on what I saw.
Hahha, they worked him out at RB at his Pro Day just in case he can't stick at DB
But his numbers were legit at least. I still really like him at the end of the draft.