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Labrev wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:17

Yeah, I think this has more to do with circumstance than Sterny being an outright bust. He has not been very good thus far, but we knew he was raw coming out when we took him, and we may have been willing to be patient with his development if we were not (1) absolutely stacked at the position; and (2) making a championship push.

Just pretend we drafted Tonyan there and that Sternberger was some raw project UDFA who never put it together. What matters is our TE position is good now.

I agree with you but two things...1) it becomes not good quick if bobby doesnt resign and 2) if 6 teams are interested in Stern, why didnt we trade him for a 6th round picK?

Labrev wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:17

Just pretend we drafted Tonyan there and that Sternberger was some raw project UDFA who never put it together. What matters is our TE position is good now.

Absolutely, this. It's not like this is a common occurrence, either. Draft busts hurt because you usually don't have an answer at a position when you bust a pick. Here, we spent a 3rd and we're all good. I won't lose sleep over this one.

Labrev wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:17

Yeah, I think this has more to do with circumstance than Sterny being an outright bust. He has not been very good thus far, but we knew he was raw coming out when we took him, and we may have been willing to be patient with his development if we were not (1) absolutely stacked at the position; and (2) making a championship push.

Just pretend we drafted Tonyan there and that Sternberger was some raw project UDFA who never put it together. What matters is our TE position is good now.

Just pretend we drafted a starter that you expect to get in the third round. Tonyan's unexpected success has nothing to do with the failed pick. As lupe said the bad picks are stacking up for Gute at a time that is unacceptable.

Is MVS the only viable player on the team drafted by Gutey after the second round??

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:20

Labrev wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:17

Yeah, I think this has more to do with circumstance than Sterny being an outright bust. He has not been very good thus far, but we knew he was raw coming out when we took him, and we may have been willing to be patient with his development if we were not (1) absolutely stacked at the position; and (2) making a championship push.

Just pretend we drafted Tonyan there and that Sternberger was some raw project UDFA who never put it together. What matters is our TE position is good now.

I agree with you but two things...1) it becomes not good quick if bobby doesnt resign and 2) if 6 teams are interested in Stern, why didnt we trade him for a 6th round picK?

Interest doesn't mean teams are willing to give something up to get him. If they can get him great, if not, oh well.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:42

Is MVS the only viable player on the team drafted by Gutey after the second round??

Still guys with shots to be viable or becoming that already...
Hunter Bradley
Ty Summers
Keke
Vernon Scott
Runyan
Martin
Deguara
obviously everyone from the last draft.

But yes, early returns aren't great.

Realist wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:36

Just pretend we drafted a starter that you expect to get in the third round. Tonyan's unexpected success has nothing to do with the failed pick. As lupe said the bad picks are stacking up for Gute at a time that is unacceptable.

Tonyan's success has everything to do with the failed pick. Stern never really got much of a chance. He'd either get get dinged or Tonyan was there taking all the valuable snaps and reps. He was just flat beat out by Tonyan.

Backup TE is not a roster safe spot. I'm sure GB would love to have him back on the practice squad. But at this point GB can certainly commit to Tonyan being their guy over Stern, Stern would never seriously challenge for playing time.

Was Stern a failed pick? Sure, but that's because Bobby took his job. A lesser player than Tonyan and there would still be hope of a competition in coaches minds, and maybe Stern would have gotten the snaps and reps to be a decent TE right now. But not better than Tonyan.

I'll take the Stern bad pick because of the UDFA that wouldn't let some draft pick take his job.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:20

Labrev wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:17

Yeah, I think this has more to do with circumstance than Sterny being an outright bust. He has not been very good thus far, but we knew he was raw coming out when we took him, and we may have been willing to be patient with his development if we were not (1) absolutely stacked at the position; and (2) making a championship push.

Just pretend we drafted Tonyan there and that Sternberger was some raw project UDFA who never put it together. What matters is our TE position is good now.

I agree with you but two things...1) it becomes not good quick if bobby doesnt resign and 2) if 6 teams are interested in Stern, why didnt we trade him for a 6th round picK?

I bet GB would have had to activate him (thus cut someone else) before they could trade him.

paco wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:48

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:42

Is MVS the only viable player on the team drafted by Gutey after the second round??

Still guys with shots to be viable or becoming that already...
Hunter Bradley
Ty Summers
Keke
Vernon Scott
Runyan
Martin
Deguara
obviously everyone from the last draft.

But yes, early returns aren't great.

so currently, no.

Why wouldn't Runyan be considered viable? Why wouldn't Deguara be considered viable? Why wouldn't Keke be considered viable? Are we ignoring undrafted free agents?

Not a large sample size for a status that generally takes longer to develop.

paco wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:48

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:42

Is MVS the only viable player on the team drafted by Gutey after the second round??

Still guys with shots to be viable or becoming that already...
Hunter Bradley
Ty Summers
Keke
Vernon Scott
Runyan
Martin
Deguara
obviously everyone from the last draft.

But yes, early returns aren't great.

Early returns from this draft are pretty good though.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:00

paco wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:48

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:42

Is MVS the only viable player on the team drafted by Gutey after the second round??

Still guys with shots to be viable or becoming that already...
Hunter Bradley
Ty Summers
Keke
Vernon Scott
Runyan
Martin
Deguara
obviously everyone from the last draft.

But yes, early returns aren't great.

so currently, no.

Bradley doing well this year and has been a starter.
Summers is a fixture on ST, what else do you want for a 7th rounder?
Runyan, started last night, played really well and may start from here on out.
Scott, another ST fixture right now, and again 7th rounder.
Martin is solid already and playing a decent amount of snaps.

Maybe you meant another word other than viable, but I'd say all these guys easily meet that description and more.

Waldo wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:10

paco wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:48

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:42

Is MVS the only viable player on the team drafted by Gutey after the second round??

Still guys with shots to be viable or becoming that already...
Hunter Bradley
Ty Summers
Keke
Vernon Scott
Runyan
Martin
Deguara
obviously everyone from the last draft.

But yes, early returns aren't great.

Early returns from this draft are pretty good though.

Indeed, Stokes and Myers are obvious. Already have a starter from the 4th round. Slaton deserves more snaps. Kylin Hill already showing something as a returner.

paco wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:16

Waldo wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:10

paco wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:48

Still guys with shots to be viable or becoming that already...
Hunter Bradley
Ty Summers
Keke
Vernon Scott
Runyan
Martin
Deguara
obviously everyone from the last draft.

But yes, early returns aren't great.

Early returns from this draft are pretty good though.

Indeed, Stokes and Myers are obvious. Already have a starter from the 4th round. Slaton deserves more snaps. Kylin Hill already showing something as a returner.

Even McDuffie was contributing on ST last night. Seems the guy many were most excited about has been the quietest, so far.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:00

paco wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:48

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:42

Is MVS the only viable player on the team drafted by Gutey after the second round??

Still guys with shots to be viable or becoming that already...
Hunter Bradley
Ty Summers
Keke
Vernon Scott
Runyan
Martin
Deguara
obviously everyone from the last draft.

But yes, early returns aren't great.

so currently, no.

Our starting RG is a 4th round pick. I think Kylin Hill has real promise. I don't know about Amari Rodgers yet. I think I'm more skeptical of him than most. I hate how he returns punts.

paco wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:14

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:00

paco wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:48

Still guys with shots to be viable or becoming that already...
Hunter Bradley
Ty Summers
Keke
Vernon Scott
Runyan
Martin
Deguara
obviously everyone from the last draft.

But yes, early returns aren't great.

so currently, no.

Bradley doing well this year and has been a starter.
Summers is a fixture on ST, what else do you want for a 7th rounder?
Runyan, started last night, played really well and may start from here on out.
Scott, another ST fixture right now, and again 7th rounder.
Martin is solid already and playing a decent amount of snaps.

Maybe you meant another word other than viable, but I'd say all these guys easily meet that description and more.

true. Viable was not the most accurate term.

go pak go wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:18

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:00

paco wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 13:48

Still guys with shots to be viable or becoming that already...
Hunter Bradley
Ty Summers
Keke
Vernon Scott
Runyan
Martin
Deguara
obviously everyone from the last draft.

But yes, early returns aren't great.

so currently, no.

Our starting RG is a 4th round pick. I think Kylin Hill has real promise. I don't know about Amari Rodgers yet. I think I'm more skeptical of him than most. I hate how he returns punts.

I'm with you on Rodgers. Rodgers is too hesitant so far. I'd like to see them give Hill a shot there. I know its a different beast, but give him a go. I still think Rodgers has a solid future with the team. But I was one of the few that thought he'd have little to no impact this year, especially on offense.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:27

paco wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:14

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:00

so currently, no.

Bradley doing well this year and has been a starter.
Summers is a fixture on ST, what else do you want for a 7th rounder?
Runyan, started last night, played really well and may start from here on out.
Scott, another ST fixture right now, and again 7th rounder.
Martin is solid already and playing a decent amount of snaps.

Maybe you meant another word other than viable, but I'd say all these guys easily meet that description and more.

true. Viable was not the most accurate term.

Its all good. I understand the premise. We haven't done great. Seems we should stay out of the 3rd round altogether! But, I think Gutey has enough hits so far to make it ok. I'd like to analyze all other GM's over the same span and see where he sits compared to others. But I don't have the patience to go through all that.

Anyway, to go back on topic, I still hope we find a way to keep Jace. But I do think a couple of teams may claim him. Or he'll choose another practice squad to go to.

paco wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:30

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:27

paco wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:14

Bradley doing well this year and has been a starter.
Summers is a fixture on ST, what else do you want for a 7th rounder?
Runyan, started last night, played really well and may start from here on out.
Scott, another ST fixture right now, and again 7th rounder.
Martin is solid already and playing a decent amount of snaps.

Maybe you meant another word other than viable, but I'd say all these guys easily meet that description and more.

true. Viable was not the most accurate term.

Its all good. I understand the premise. We haven't done great. Seems we should stay out of the 3rd round altogether! But, I think Gutey has enough hits so far to make it ok. I'd like to analyze all other GM's over the same span and see where he sits compared to others. But I don't have the patience to go through all that.

Anyway, to go back on topic, I still hope we find a way to keep Jace. But I do think a couple of teams may claim him. Or he'll choose another practice squad to go to.

To me Gute's legacy is built on his 2019 draft picks (Gary and Savage) and 2020 picks (Love and Dillon). If even half of Gary, Savage, Dillon and Stokes rises to being a legit contributer/star on this 2021 Packers team, I would call Gute a success contingent on Love. If 3 or more turn into stars, I would call Gute a success depsite Love's outlook.

None of those players though have reached star mode yet. Savage is the closest. But has a ways to go.

go pak go wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:34

paco wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:30

Drj820 wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021 14:27

true. Viable was not the most accurate term.

Its all good. I understand the premise. We haven't done great. Seems we should stay out of the 3rd round altogether! But, I think Gutey has enough hits so far to make it ok. I'd like to analyze all other GM's over the same span and see where he sits compared to others. But I don't have the patience to go through all that.

Anyway, to go back on topic, I still hope we find a way to keep Jace. But I do think a couple of teams may claim him. Or he'll choose another practice squad to go to.

To me Gute's legacy is built on his 2019 draft picks (Gary and Savage) and 2020 picks (Love and Dillon). If even half of Gary, Savage, Dillon and Stokes rises to being a legit contributer/star on this 2021 Packers team, I would call Gute a success contingent on Love. If 3 or more turn into stars, I would call Gute a success depsite Love's outlook.

None of those players though have reached star mode yet. Savage is the closest. But has a ways to go.

So you expect nothing from 3-7 ever in the draft? I would like a few quality starters found in those rounds over time. Might have found it this draft with the guards.