The eight guys ahead of Anders are not appreciably better than him, most just have a better percentage because they attempted fewer kicks. So there are only about 15 active kickers that are much of an upgrade over him, not enough to go around in a 32-team league.
XP% is the one area where Carlson stands out as significantly worse than the field. If we can find a guy with comparable FG% that is way better on XPs at a reasonable price, by all means, but it is not the case that kickers that kick above 80% of FG attempts grow on trees.
I mean, Jake Moody is about the same on FG% and way better on XP%, but it took a Round 3 pick to get him. Do you really want to give up Tucker Kraft for a 2% FG improvement and the five XP points we missed, instead of Carlson in the 6th?
Re: Post Game: THE PACKERS ARE PLAYOFF BOUND
Posted: 09 Jan 2024 11:17
by Drj820
pretty obvious "falling in the lap" would require NOT moving up to get anyone
and
Moving up to get a player is going to get the guy and not waiting on him to "fall to you"
The eight guys ahead of Anders are not appreciably better than him, most just have a better percentage because they attempted fewer kicks. So there are only about 15 active kickers that are much of an upgrade over him, not enough to go around in a 32-team league.
XP% is the one area where Carlson stands out as significantly worse than the field. If we can find a guy with comparable FG% that is way better on XPs at a reasonable price, by all means, but it is not the case that kickers that kick above 80% of FG attempts grow on trees.
I mean, Jake Moody is about the same on FG% and way better on XP%, but it took a Round 3 pick to get him. Do you really want to give up Tucker Kraft for a 2% FG improvement and the five XP points we missed, instead of Carlson in the 6th?
Yeah. A player who is on a rookie deal (cap wise) and only cost a 6th round getting over 80% FG is pretty good. Add in he can and has hit the long ones.
The Extra Points are really bad. But I also think those are very correctable.
Re: Post Game: THE PACKERS ARE PLAYOFF BOUND
Posted: 09 Jan 2024 11:28
by lupedafiasco
Who the $%@# cares anymore. No reason to hang onto old &%$@. Doesnt smell good. I wasnt a believer but now I am and hes a god.
Love is the guy. Hes ours and hes the future. Does it matter if we moved up or not?
The eight guys ahead of Anders are not appreciably better than him, most just have a better percentage because they attempted fewer kicks. So there are only about 15 active kickers that are much of an upgrade over him, not enough to go around in a 32-team league.
XP% is the one area where Carlson stands out as significantly worse than the field. If we can find a guy with comparable FG% that is way better on XPs at a reasonable price, by all means, but it is not the case that kickers that kick above 80% of FG attempts grow on trees.
I mean, Jake Moody is about the same on FG% and way better on XP%, but it took a Round 3 pick to get him. Do you really want to give up Tucker Kraft for a 2% FG improvement and the five XP points we missed, instead of Carlson in the 6th?
Fans shouldn't be praying or have a pit in their stomach before every XP or 41 yard FG. In today's NFL those should be nearly automatic.
I will never stop making excuses to impatient angry fans for rookies that don't arrive ready-made. Because it's a good excuse.
He spent 6, that is 6, years in college wirking on his technique. His brother surely has also helped him. And he was crappy in college. It is no surprise he is crappy in the NFL.
We just made the playoffs. In an epic way. Somehow I don't have it in me to spend any energy to hate on a $%@# kicker, when there's so much positive to say about the rest of the roster.
[mention]wallyuwl[/mention] Honestly, why do you never say anything positive about the Packers?
I don't understand why not, unless you've sold your soul to a demon for the Packers' continued success or something like that. You must like SOMETHING, or you would not bother to participate.
The eight guys ahead of Anders are not appreciably better than him, most just have a better percentage because they attempted fewer kicks. So there are only about 15 active kickers that are much of an upgrade over him, not enough to go around in a 32-team league.
XP% is the one area where Carlson stands out as significantly worse than the field. If we can find a guy with comparable FG% that is way better on XPs at a reasonable price, by all means, but it is not the case that kickers that kick above 80% of FG attempts grow on trees.
I mean, Jake Moody is about the same on FG% and way better on XP%, but it took a Round 3 pick to get him. Do you really want to give up Tucker Kraft for a 2% FG improvement and the five XP points we missed, instead of Carlson in the 6th?
Yeah. A player who is on a rookie deal (cap wise) and only cost a 6th round getting over 80% FG is pretty good. Add in he can and has hit the long ones.
The Extra Points are really bad. But I also think those are very correctable.
Carlson had a 71% make percentage in his college career, so a rookie season above 80% shows an ability to improve.
He was way better on XPs in college, but it's a 20-yard PAT in college, 33 in the pros.
I will never stop making excuses to impatient angry fans for rookies that don't arrive ready-made. Because it's a good excuse.
He spent 6, that is 6, years in college wirking on his technique. His brother surely has also helped him. And he was crappy in college. It is no surprise he is crappy in the NFL.
We just made the playoffs. In an epic way. Somehow I don't have it in me to spend any energy to hate on a $%@# kicker, when there's so much positive to say about the rest of the roster.
@wallyuwl Honestly, why do you never say anything positive about the Packers?
I don't understand why not, unless you've sold your soul to a demon for the Packers' continued success or something like that. You must like SOMETHING, or you would not bother to participate.
heck even I like some stuff actually I like most stuff, the stuff I don't like though really pisses me off
The eight guys ahead of Anders are not appreciably better than him, most just have a better percentage because they attempted fewer kicks. So there are only about 15 active kickers that are much of an upgrade over him, not enough to go around in a 32-team league.
XP% is the one area where Carlson stands out as significantly worse than the field. If we can find a guy with comparable FG% that is way better on XPs at a reasonable price, by all means, but it is not the case that kickers that kick above 80% of FG attempts grow on trees.
I mean, Jake Moody is about the same on FG% and way better on XP%, but it took a Round 3 pick to get him. Do you really want to give up Tucker Kraft for a 2% FG improvement and the five XP points we missed, instead of Carlson in the 6th?
Ryan Longwell was also 81.6% as a career in GB.
If we're going to look at "outdoor" kickers and say "That's what we're aiming for", I'd suggest Robbie Gould as the benchmark.
pretty obvious "falling in the lap" would require NOT moving up to get anyone
and
Moving up to get a player is going to get the guy and not waiting on him to "fall to you"
If you rated him as a top 10ish guy and you only have to give up a 4th to move up a few spots to grab him, I would call that falling into your lap. But I don't have the time or the inclination to debate semantics with you so you can call it whatever you want.
As much as I dislike some of LaFleurs play calling where he lacks situational awareness, I do have to say Matt LaFleur deserves to win the NFL coach of the Year award.
As down and out as the team seemed earlier in the year, LaFleur dealt with a group of inexperienced players who were continually making mistakes and somehow guided them to the playoffs.
Matt deserves the award….and then he should take Jordan Love out for a steak dinner.
To me, the Giants and Bucs games eliminated him. The Texans’ Coach deserves it.
But also, do not even start with this MLF is carried by Love idea that you’re hinting at with the steak dinner.
MLF MOLDED JORDAN LOVE. Just like he got the best out of Rodgers and revitalized his career. Just like he had Matt frickin Ryan play at an MVP-winning level. Just like he got RGIII’s play to rookie of the year level. Just like he turned around Goff from a bust to a serviceable starter.
When every QB you touch turns into the best versions of themselves, you don’t owe a steak to them when they lead your team to wins. MLF has coached two different QBs to MVPs and a third to rookie of the year. ONLY Rodgers replicated that level of play without him. And even Rodgers hadn’t shown it in years before MLF arrived.
MLF is a certified QB whisperer. One of the most coveted commodities in the NFL. Clements has a role and we appreciate him. Love, of course, plays a big role and we appreciate him.
But MLF makes QBs better; not just the other way around.
That’s why, despite some of his flaws as a coach, which exist and I don’t deny them all—I will always defend and appreciate MLF. He’s a top 5 coach right now, to me. And it all starts with getting good QB play and designing effective and efficient offenses.
The play calling is inconsistent. The time management and time out usage is subpar but not devastating or inept. His taste in defensive schemes and coaches leaves much to be desired.
But he gets the most out of his QBs, his offensive scheme puts his players in position to produce. And the team plays for him/tends to develop (and re-develop now, in phase two of his tenure) good chemistry under his leadership.
That’s a high quality NFL coach. But THIS year, he was probably a win or two sort of being coach of the year. He probably deserved it for one or two of those 13-win seasons earlier. But the narrative ALWAYS shifts credit to his QB; and I am stoked for Jordan Love, but don’t even start that. The track reached is clear. MLF deserves more credit for his QBs than his QBs deserve credit for MLF.
Why do I get the feeling we are inching toward the
"Love fell in BG's and MLF's lap" just like the narrative switched to that with Rodgers to TT and MM?
No. Rodgers literally fell in that draft. BG and MLF moved up to take Love.
pretty obvious "falling in the lap" would require NOT moving up to get anyone
and
Moving up to get a player is going to get the guy and not waiting on him to "fall to you"
If you rated him as a top 10ish guy and you only have to give up a 4th to move up a few spots to grab him, I would call that falling into your lap. But I don't have the time or the inclination to debate semantics with you so you can call it whatever you want.
Ding, ding, ding!!! Exactly. Pick 136, the 3rd-last pick in the 4th-round (before comp picks).
pretty obvious "falling in the lap" would require NOT moving up to get anyone
and
Moving up to get a player is going to get the guy and not waiting on him to "fall to you"
If you rated him as a top 10ish guy and you only have to give up a 4th to move up a few spots to grab him, I would call that falling into your lap. But I don't have the time or the inclination to debate semantics with you so you can call it whatever you want.
One thing about Lafleur and Love is I think they have similar personalitites.
Real low key guys. Laid back. But also they have a game face when its needed.
They dont have that dominant alpha energy that Rodgers wanted to show off to everyone at every chance, even when it was just weird
Like i bet Lafleur just tolerated Rodgers. He was always touching lafleur and being strange.
I bet Love and Lafleur actually like being around each other
I'm beginning to suspect MLF low key demeanor is an act, something he presents to the public and at the podium. When we see him in the locker room after big wins with the guys he is definitely not low key.
The eight guys ahead of Anders are not appreciably better than him, most just have a better percentage because they attempted fewer kicks. So there are only about 15 active kickers that are much of an upgrade over him, not enough to go around in a 32-team league.
XP% is the one area where Carlson stands out as significantly worse than the field. If we can find a guy with comparable FG% that is way better on XPs at a reasonable price, by all means, but it is not the case that kickers that kick above 80% of FG attempts grow on trees.
I mean, Jake Moody is about the same on FG% and way better on XP%, but it took a Round 3 pick to get him. Do you really want to give up Tucker Kraft for a 2% FG improvement and the five XP points we missed, instead of Carlson in the 6th?
I'd love to get that kicker named Tucker.
Re: Post Game: THE PACKERS ARE PLAYOFF BOUND
Posted: 09 Jan 2024 13:45
by Crazylegs Starks
Check out the third play below, the 59 yarder to Reed. LeRoy Butler shows why LaFleur said Reed wasn't even supposed to be in the progression.
Smart move by Reed to extend the route and great awareness by Love to see it.
actually I like most stuff, the stuff I don't like though really pisses me off 
