OK, then let me ask a question. What's the downside to bringing him back? It's not like they're going to give him any guaranteed money.
It's entirely possible we could have a situation where it's just Amari under contract, and Lazard and ESB are the only other guys available with experience in this offense.
*Edit - Forgot about Winfree (fumble machine) and Malik who is an exclusive rights free agent
OK, then let me ask a question. What's the downside to bringing him back? It's not like they're going to give him any guaranteed money.
It's entirely possible we could have a situation where it's just Amari under contract, and Lazard and ESB are the only other guys available with experience in this offense.
*Edit - Forgot about Winfree (fumble machine) and Malik who is an exclusive rights free agent
EQ hasn't shown enough improvement with ample time to develop and a golden opportunity to win snaps. My personal assessment is that he's a bad route runner, and not agile enough to create space with sharp cuts, and not fast enough to be a pure deep threat. So he simply gets open too rarely. And is no STs demon.
I won't riot if we bring him back for camp, we'll need bodies, but the chance of of an eureka moment are slim at this point.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022
Posted: 03 Feb 2022 23:12
by Drj820
It would not be good GM work if we have to keep someone like EQ because we literally have no else. That position is about to be a mess. Imagine Lazard without Adams to take peoples attention. Disaster!
It would not be good GM work if we have to keep someone like EQ because we literally have no else. That position is about to be a mess. Imagine Lazard without Adams to take peoples attention. Disaster!
Oh dear. I wish there was a draft and free agency before 2022 season starts, so we wouldn't have to go into it with only the currently signed players.
For the Ted haters out there, Ted drafted 121 players from 2005-2017.
Ted potentially drafted 3 in his short 13 year tenure, Aaron (lock), Bakhtiari (entering likely territory) and Davante (possible),.
Bak has already logged 5 all pros (2 first team). Should he get a 6th or 7th, that's usually a lock.
Then also for Davante, any time you are typically considered the best person at your position for even a short period of time, 1-2 years, and you match that with bulk stats, that can be good enough to get in. I feel like if Davante has 2-3 quality pro-bowl level years left in him, he could get in, that would put him over 100 career touchdowns, which only 10 people have ever done (2 exactly at 100) and Don Hutson is at 99.
Clay Matthews might always have an outside shot, but I think its pretty doubtful.
Anyways, a 2.5% HOF draft rate is an unbelievable rate.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022
Posted: 11 Feb 2022 11:07
by go pak go
Plus I believe Nick Collins was on his way to a HOF career as well until the injury. He had serious momentum with 2009 and 2010.
Plus I believe Nick Collins was on his way to a HOF career as well until the injury. He had serious momentum with 2009 and 2010.
I thought of noting him, but I would imagine a lot more players would have had potential HoF careers if their careers weren’t cut short, whether 25 or 30. Something all GMs surely dealt with.
Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022
Posted: 11 Feb 2022 11:53
by NCF
I still say by any other measure other than career bulk, Sterling Sharpe is a sure-fire Hall of Famer.
I still say by any other measure other than career bulk, Sterling Sharpe is a sure-fire Hall of Famer.
I doubt anyone would disagree with you, problem is imo he just didn't/hasn't enough season, and just like so many other limited career players, they just keep getting by passed, Sharp was/is easily qualified, just doesn't eclipse that longevity minimum whatever that seems to be, but he had the magic, just as Devonte Adams does now, hopefully he plays great a few more seasons and gets his accolades.
I still say by any other measure other than career bulk, Sterling Sharpe is a sure-fire Hall of Famer.
I doubt anyone would disagree with you, problem is imo he just didn't/hasn't enough season, and just like so many other limited career players, they just keep getting by passed, Sharp was/is easily qualified, just doesn't eclipse that longevity minimum whatever that seems to be, but he had the magic, just as Devonte Adams does now, hopefully he plays great a few more seasons and gets his accolades.
Great news for Leroy
The Terrell Davis argument. If he's in, Sterling should be in.
I still say by any other measure other than career bulk, Sterling Sharpe is a sure-fire Hall of Famer.
I doubt anyone would disagree with you, problem is imo he just didn't/hasn't enough season, and just like so many other limited career players, they just keep getting by passed, Sharp was/is easily qualified, just doesn't eclipse that longevity minimum whatever that seems to be, but he had the magic, just as Devonte Adams does now, hopefully he plays great a few more seasons and gets his accolades.
Great news for Leroy
The Terrell Davis argument. If he's in, Sterling should be in.
I still say by any other measure other than career bulk, Sterling Sharpe is a sure-fire Hall of Famer.
I doubt anyone would disagree with you, problem is imo he just didn't/hasn't enough season, and just like so many other limited career players, they just keep getting by passed, Sharp was/is easily qualified, just doesn't eclipse that longevity minimum whatever that seems to be, but he had the magic, just as Devonte Adams does now, hopefully he plays great a few more seasons and gets his accolades.
Great news for Leroy
The Terrell Davis argument. If he's in, Sterling should be in.
I doubt anyone would disagree with you, problem is imo he just didn't/hasn't enough season, and just like so many other limited career players, they just keep getting by passed, Sharp was/is easily qualified, just doesn't eclipse that longevity minimum whatever that seems to be, but he had the magic, just as Devonte Adams does now, hopefully he plays great a few more seasons and gets his accolades.
Great news for Leroy
The Terrell Davis argument. If he's in, Sterling should be in.
no argument from me, I just echoed the sentiment most heard about Sharp when it comes to his HOF snub, imho he should have been voted in years ago
And please don't forget about the Bob Hayes and Andre Reed arguments as well. Hayes was 2X All-Pro. Reed was 0X All-Pro. Sharpe was 3X All-Pro. Howton was 2X All-Pro.
The Green Bay Packers were well represented on the annual best players list from Pro Football Focus in 2021. Matt LaFleur’s team had seven players on “The PFF 101” list, which highlights the top 101 players regardless of positional value or past play.
For reference. the Super Bowl champion Los Angeles Rams also put seven players on the list. Last season, the Packers had six players make the list. Also of note: the Packers only had two players from last season’s list repeat in 2021. Injuries played a big factor, but it was a mostly new cast of standouts for LaFleur’s team.
The seven players on the list were the Packers’ most in a season since 2014. The Super Bowl team in 2010 also had seven players on the year-end list.
Here’s a quick look at the seven players from the Packers on PFF’s top 101 list from 2021.
No. 5: WR Davante Adams
Last season: No. 5
PFF stat to know: 2.8 yards per route run
Adams, a first-team All-Pro at wide receiver, set team records for catches and receiving yards in a single season. He finished as the No. 2 receiver on the list behind only Cooper Kupp, the NFL Offensive Player of the Year and Super Bowl MVP. Adams has made this list four straight seasons.
No. 18: QB Aaron Rodgers
Last season: No. 2
PFF stat to know: Only 12 turnover-worthy plays
Rodgers wasn’t as individually dominant during his 2021 MVP season compared to his 2020 MVP season, but he still produced 40 total touchdowns and had just four total turnovers while leading the league in passer rating. The Packers were 13-2 when he started and finished a game during the regular season. Rodgers has made this list five of the last six seasons.
No. 34: OLB Rashan Gary
Last season: No rank
PFF stat to know: 87 total pressures
Gary, in his first season as a full-time player, evolved into a dominant pass-rushing force. The 2019 first-round pick piled up the pressures and consistently graded out high as a pass-rusher. In Year 3, his pass-rushing grade finished over 90.0. Only six edge rushers finished higher than him on the top 101 list.
No. 40: LB De'Vondre Campbell
Last season: No rank
PFF stat to know: 55 total stops
Campbell earned first-team All-Pro recognition after producing a career-best season in Green Bay. He was highly effective against the run, in coverage, as a pass-rusher and as a big-play creator. His season grade finished as the highest among full-time off-ball linebackers.
No. 65: RB A.J. Dillon
Last season: No rank
PFF grade to know: 31 forced missed tackles
In his second season, Dillon thrived in place of Jamaal Williams alongside Aaron Jones. He bowled through tacklers, averaging 3.1 yards after contact per rush, and proved to be a highly capable player in the passing game. He went over 1,000 total yards and led the team in rushing.
No. 82: RB Aaron Jones
Last season: No rank
PFF stat to know: 39 forced missed tackles
Jones went over 1,000 total yards and scored at least 10 touchdowns for the third consecutive season. He averaged 3.1 yards after contact and 1.5 yards per route run as a receiver, proving his dual-threat ability. Jones and Dillon make up one of the best 1-2 punches at running back in football. He’s made the top 101 list twice in the last three years.
No. 92: OLB Preston Smith
Last season: No rank
PFF stat to know: 63 total pressures
Smith rebounded from a disappointing 2020 season with arguably his best overall season of his career in 2021. He set a new career-high for pressures, and he was fantastic setting the edge against the run. Joe Barry asked him to cover less and rush more, and the results followed. Smith and Rashan Gary were one of the NFL’s most productive edge-rushing duos.
Packers in PFF top 101, previous years
2020: QB Aaron Rodgers (2), WR Davante Adams (5), CB Jaire Alexander (12), LT David Bakhtiari (23), S Adrian Amos (27), C Corey Linsley (39)
2019: Za’Darius Smith (19), Davante Adams (33), Aaron Jones (56), Aaron Rodgers (83), Kenny Clark (97)
2018: David Bakhtiari (39), Aaron Rodgers (41), Kenny Clark (43), Davante Adams (48)
2017: David Bakhtiari (30), Kenny Clark (69), Mike Daniels (89)
2016: Aaron Rodgers (3), David Bakhtiari (20), Mike Daniels (68), Jordy Nelson (74), Bryan Bulaga (77), T.J. Lang (94)
2015: Mike Daniels (47), T.J. Lang (56), Josh Sitton (65)
2014: Aaron Rodgers (2), Jordy Nelson (30), Josh Sitton (35), Eddie Lacy (51), Randall Cobb (58), T.J. Lang (78), Mike Daniels (99)
2013: Josh Sitton (25), Jordy Nelson (39), Eddie Lacy (70)
The Green Bay Packers were well represented on the annual best players list from Pro Football Focus in 2021. Matt LaFleur’s team had seven players on “The PFF 101” list, which highlights the top 101 players regardless of positional value or past play.
For reference. the Super Bowl champion Los Angeles Rams also put seven players on the list. Last season, the Packers had six players make the list. Also of note: the Packers only had two players from last season’s list repeat in 2021. Injuries played a big factor, but it was a mostly new cast of standouts for LaFleur’s team.
The seven players on the list were the Packers’ most in a season since 2014. The Super Bowl team in 2010 also had seven players on the year-end list.
Here’s a quick look at the seven players from the Packers on PFF’s top 101 list from 2021.
No. 5: WR Davante Adams
Last season: No. 5
PFF stat to know: 2.8 yards per route run
Adams, a first-team All-Pro at wide receiver, set team records for catches and receiving yards in a single season. He finished as the No. 2 receiver on the list behind only Cooper Kupp, the NFL Offensive Player of the Year and Super Bowl MVP. Adams has made this list four straight seasons.
No. 18: QB Aaron Rodgers
Last season: No. 2
PFF stat to know: Only 12 turnover-worthy plays
Rodgers wasn’t as individually dominant during his 2021 MVP season compared to his 2020 MVP season, but he still produced 40 total touchdowns and had just four total turnovers while leading the league in passer rating. The Packers were 13-2 when he started and finished a game during the regular season. Rodgers has made this list five of the last six seasons.
No. 34: OLB Rashan Gary
Last season: No rank
PFF stat to know: 87 total pressures
Gary, in his first season as a full-time player, evolved into a dominant pass-rushing force. The 2019 first-round pick piled up the pressures and consistently graded out high as a pass-rusher. In Year 3, his pass-rushing grade finished over 90.0. Only six edge rushers finished higher than him on the top 101 list.
No. 40: LB De'Vondre Campbell
Last season: No rank
PFF stat to know: 55 total stops
Campbell earned first-team All-Pro recognition after producing a career-best season in Green Bay. He was highly effective against the run, in coverage, as a pass-rusher and as a big-play creator. His season grade finished as the highest among full-time off-ball linebackers.
No. 65: RB A.J. Dillon
Last season: No rank
PFF grade to know: 31 forced missed tackles
In his second season, Dillon thrived in place of Jamaal Williams alongside Aaron Jones. He bowled through tacklers, averaging 3.1 yards after contact per rush, and proved to be a highly capable player in the passing game. He went over 1,000 total yards and led the team in rushing.
No. 82: RB Aaron Jones
Last season: No rank
PFF stat to know: 39 forced missed tackles
Jones went over 1,000 total yards and scored at least 10 touchdowns for the third consecutive season. He averaged 3.1 yards after contact and 1.5 yards per route run as a receiver, proving his dual-threat ability. Jones and Dillon make up one of the best 1-2 punches at running back in football. He’s made the top 101 list twice in the last three years.
No. 92: OLB Preston Smith
Last season: No rank
PFF stat to know: 63 total pressures
Smith rebounded from a disappointing 2020 season with arguably his best overall season of his career in 2021. He set a new career-high for pressures, and he was fantastic setting the edge against the run. Joe Barry asked him to cover less and rush more, and the results followed. Smith and Rashan Gary were one of the NFL’s most productive edge-rushing duos.
Packers in PFF top 101, previous years
2020: QB Aaron Rodgers (2), WR Davante Adams (5), CB Jaire Alexander (12), LT David Bakhtiari (23), S Adrian Amos (27), C Corey Linsley (39)
2019: Za’Darius Smith (19), Davante Adams (33), Aaron Jones (56), Aaron Rodgers (83), Kenny Clark (97)
2018: David Bakhtiari (39), Aaron Rodgers (41), Kenny Clark (43), Davante Adams (48)
2017: David Bakhtiari (30), Kenny Clark (69), Mike Daniels (89)
2016: Aaron Rodgers (3), David Bakhtiari (20), Mike Daniels (68), Jordy Nelson (74), Bryan Bulaga (77), T.J. Lang (94)
2015: Mike Daniels (47), T.J. Lang (56), Josh Sitton (65)
2014: Aaron Rodgers (2), Jordy Nelson (30), Josh Sitton (35), Eddie Lacy (51), Randall Cobb (58), T.J. Lang (78), Mike Daniels (99)
2013: Josh Sitton (25), Jordy Nelson (39), Eddie Lacy (70)
Notice that all 3 levels of the defense (DL, LB and DB) were represented in 2010 when the Packers won Super Bowl 45. Assuming Wayne Simmons would have made the Top 100 in 1996 when the Packers won Super Bowl 31 ......... this trend would have followed in 1996 with Reggie White and Leroy Butler. Just sayin'
