Yoop wrote: ↑12 Jul 2021 14:44
go pak go wrote: ↑12 Jul 2021 14:31
Look at all those talentless losers.
and what is the point your trying to make here, seriously I don't get the point, was this the 2011 group, if so this bunch didn't lose the game, they weren't allowed to win it, that article I brought spelled out very well why we lost, you just seem unable to accept the truth.
The point is exposing the holes of the "why Rodgers is getting screwed and Brady isn't narrative".
I will absolutely agree that Brady has enjoyed more successful and consistent defensive units over the course of his career, but I also believe this is also built partly on a narrative based on the early Brady years which relied more on defense to be successful. The later Brady years (like 2004/2007 and later) actually sees Brady be very, very successful even though it doesn't look like it.
So the defense of "Rodgers gets screwed" changes. Your point of "Brady had amazing offensive weapons his whole career" is really not true when compared to Aaron Rodgers. I would contend that Rodgers on the whole (outside of the 2017 - 2019 gap) has actually had better talent on offense than Brady has. And the cost of this is the Patriots on the whole has had more consistent and better performing defenses than the Packers has.
So once that gets established, your point shifts to "well Brady had Bellicheck and a dink and dunk offensive scheme". But Rodgers had that too and had it with great success early in his career. The whole "deep ball" mantra really started to occur in 2011 and continued on. The incredible success of the deep ball and blowing up the scoreboard with big plays in 2011, 2013, 2014
coupled with the drawing offsides and free plays led to a considerable shift in how Rodgers played. Yes it was a MM schematic change but make no mistake the trigger man also had a part in this. Rodgers willingly turned down checkdowns to take the deep route. Rodgers willingly tried to evade the pocket to create a broken play. And again this worked with great success for about a 4 year period...until defenses started to figure it out and Rodgers and MM had no answer for it. It even took MLF a year to get Rodgers to buy into the new system.
I would also contend that Brady found success beyond the dinking and dunking magic as he won a SB in 2020 based on the vertical passing scheme. Take whatever philosophy you believe in the Bill Belicheck WC dinking offense and make it the opposite and you have Bruce Arians. It is actually very impressive that Brady was able to make this transition to that style at his age.
Ultimately however I think the discussion is getting regurgiated and stale. The argument exists because our ardent and fervent Rodgers defenders once again can't accept that Rodgers himself is part to blame for the lack of SB ring success because he clearly has to be the greatest to ever do it.
I find that super odd and funny. I mean it's like there is this comparison that Rodgers is the best and there is no way he can have any shortfalls when we are comparing him to some freaking talented and amazing QBs. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers. Like what's the end goal here? To prove that Rodgers would be clearly the best if his supporting team was better?
Tom Brady didn't have as good of an offense
Peyton Manning and his Colt defenses were similar to the Packers
Drew Brees on a whole I believe had worse rosters over a long period than the Packers and also found silly ways of losing big games after their 2009 SB.
I don't understand this "whoah is Aaron Rodgers" discussion when his peers went through the same thing.
And the one thing I will say about Tom Brady, the dude simply wins. After he did what he did to Atlanta by scoring all those points in the 4th quarter...I'm sorry. That's amazing and nothing I think any other QB could do on that large of a stage.
