According to PFF only three quarterbacks have been pressured on a smaller amount of dropbacks than Love. In addition he only ranks 21st in passer rating among the 32 QBs with the most passing attempts when kept clean. When pressured he's second to last in that category.
While there are definitely other factors involved in him struggling he hasn't played at a decent level over the past three games either.
Green Bay Packers News 2023
Moderators: NCF, salmar80, BF004, APB, Packfntk
-
Scott4Pack
- Reactions:
- Posts: 2710
- Joined: 26 Mar 2020 03:41
- Location: New Mexico
Yeah. I don't know if that is an aberration or not. I mean look at the progression of a season for a first year starter.CWIMM wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 03:20According to PFF only three quarterbacks have been pressured on a smaller amount of dropbacks than Love. In addition he only ranks 21st in passer rating among the 32 QBs with the most passing attempts when kept clean. When pressured he's second to last in that category.
While there are definitely other factors involved in him struggling he hasn't played at a decent level over the past three games either.
First month: The QB plays with confidence, as many teams have no tape of the guy and the offensive scheme. Much of the offense is straight out of the playbook. The QB doesn't need to adjust "on the fly" very much, so he does fairly well.
Second month: By now defenses have some "memory" of how this QB works and the plays the offense is likely to employ. The defenses start to have more of an advantage. The young QB struggles more than in the first month.
Third or perhaps fourth month: The QB (and the OLine hopefully) have now seen how defenses have adjusted to them and they start to gain more momentum. They improve because they have learned for the past couple of months and adjusted to the speed of the NFL game.
I'm not at all surprised that Love is struggling in October. What would worry me is if he fails to adjust and become more efficient by November and the close of the season. He is building for 2024. Of course, he needs the OLine to improve and his WRs to improve too.
Come on down and try some of our delicious green chili! Best in the world!
FWIW
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
I've been saying the blocking sucks, run blocking more obvious, but we allow to many almost free rushers to often, so that grade doesn't seem accurate to me.
More FWIW
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Yeah that is in line with most everyone's assertions.
Our Pass Blocking is decent and definitely inflated by the first 3 weeks. The last two have been worse.
Our Run Blocking has always been poor.
Our Pass Blocking is decent and definitely inflated by the first 3 weeks. The last two have been worse.
Our Run Blocking has always been poor.
Who is SIS in those composite o-line rankings?
They seem to be opposite of the other two, and most members here, grading the pass blocking as sub-par and run blocking as decent.
They seem to be opposite of the other two, and most members here, grading the pass blocking as sub-par and run blocking as decent.
I guess Patrick Taylor, after the Packers exhausted his PS max call-ups to the 53 man roster, has been waived.
Apparently Justin Hollins has been resigned to the 53.
Is Taylor allowed to return to the PS now? Or is he done as a Packer?
Apparently Justin Hollins has been resigned to the 53.
Is Taylor allowed to return to the PS now? Or is he done as a Packer?
I have no idea how Patrick Taylor was ever an nfl player. But I also can’t believe Oren burks is still in the league, so I guess I get surprised from time to time
"You guys are watching too much Andy Herman"-P23
who said that, both have sucked, run blocking more, I don't remember anyone saying the opposite.
-
lupedafiasco
- Reactions:
- Posts: 4756
- Joined: 24 Mar 2020 17:17
Patrick Taylor does the unnoticed stuff wel special teams. Blocking. He’s average at everything else.
Oren Burks is an elite STs player.
Oren Burks is an elite STs player.
Cancelled by the forum elites.
I heard Nagler say on Packers Transplants that Taylor can be resigned to the Practice Squad and his 3 call-ups have been reset (meaning he can be called up again)
But I also think there is a rule that you must gaurnatee 3 weeks of roster to a player when activated to the 53. So my guess is the Packers have to pay Taylor for 3 weeks of roster spot.
This about sums it up for me. Every aspect of the offense is bringing their own &%$@ to the salad.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/1 ... ering-bye/
The struggles on the ground have put the offense behind the sticks on early downs, resulting in them being in predictable passing situations, where now the defense is able to get into favorable matchups, and the defensive front can be very aggressive in getting after the quarterback. As we’ve seen, then trying to move the ball through the air in these instances becomes very challenging when the defense is the one doing the dictating.
In pass protection, this unit was doing exceptionally well through three games. This provided Love with the time he needed to go through his progressions without being rushed and gave the pass catchers additional time to get open as well. Through the first three games, Love had seven touchdowns to only one interception.
However, the offensive line was bullied by Detroit. According to PFF, Love was pressured on nearly 50 percent of his dropbacks in that game, a massively high rate. When a quarterback is under that much duress and oftentimes pressured quickly, it doesn’t really matter what the play call is at that point, as it has little opportunity to find success.
This unit did perform better in pass protection against the Raiders, but edge rushers Maxx Crosby and Malcolm Koonce were able to pressure Love 11 times, according to PFF, disrupting the timing and rhythm on nearly one-third of his total dropbacks.
It was pressure on the final play of the game that delayed Love getting rid of the ball when he probably should have, allowing the Raiders cornerback to get into a better position to defend Christian Watson. Even if a sack doesn’t happen, the impact of pressuring a quarterback and getting him off his spot can be massive.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
pressure, #1 reason young QB's fail, it's not so easy to forget the last play, once bit, a person is leery of stray dogs, same thing.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023 08:51https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/1 ... ering-bye/
The struggles on the ground have put the offense behind the sticks on early downs, resulting in them being in predictable passing situations, where now the defense is able to get into favorable matchups, and the defensive front can be very aggressive in getting after the quarterback. As we’ve seen, then trying to move the ball through the air in these instances becomes very challenging when the defense is the one doing the dictating.
In pass protection, this unit was doing exceptionally well through three games. This provided Love with the time he needed to go through his progressions without being rushed and gave the pass catchers additional time to get open as well. Through the first three games, Love had seven touchdowns to only one interception.
However, the offensive line was bullied by Detroit. According to PFF, Love was pressured on nearly 50 percent of his dropbacks in that game, a massively high rate. When a quarterback is under that much duress and oftentimes pressured quickly, it doesn’t really matter what the play call is at that point, as it has little opportunity to find success.
This unit did perform better in pass protection against the Raiders, but edge rushers Maxx Crosby and Malcolm Koonce were able to pressure Love 11 times, according to PFF, disrupting the timing and rhythm on nearly one-third of his total dropbacks.
It was pressure on the final play of the game that delayed Love getting rid of the ball when he probably should have, allowing the Raiders cornerback to get into a better position to defend Christian Watson. Even if a sack doesn’t happen, the impact of pressuring a quarterback and getting him off his spot can be massive.
You keep saying this, but it is completely made up. There is no substance behind it. While pressure doesn't help them succeed continuing to say it is the #1 reason they fail without any evidence to support is tiresome.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
my proof is in the data, for every QB that last 5 years in the nfl multiple dont, it's said (not by me) that most that do end up on a roster are physically able to play in this league, so it's the mental part that they struggle with, and what mentally do they struggle with? is it play book? these kids have college degree's, not likely, is it the speed of the game, sure a little, is it dealing with a pass rush far superior then anything they've dealt with prior, most likely.
you just refuse to connect the dots, your problem, just like others, if it isn't written down you can't accept it, and that fine, but don't expect me to change my opinions because of your inability to rationally figure &%$@ out