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YoHoChecko wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 10:58That’s just not a viable question. The assumption of health makes no sense given the realities. You can never again assume his health. He has a fully busted knee that has appeared to be healthy on multiple occasions before getting worse and requiring maintenance.APB wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 06:52To all of you insisting Bakh has to go:
Assuming Bakhtiari is back healthy, does retaining him make the team better? Is he an upgrade, talent and performance wise?
I just wanna get some receipts for later next season when fans are complaining about Gute not making a move to make the roster better...
We might as well assume Reggie White is still alive or Nick Collins is again in his healthy prime. Bakhtiari does not have two healthy knees.
Sorry, but I am going to call you out and say it is not the same thing. There are no void years added, which was the main crux of your argument. It's essentially adding $6.2 million to his signing bonus that is stretched over a 4 year period that everyone expects he will play out. It was guaranteed on March 15th anyway. Instead of paying the full $6.2 million this March and not rolling over any money, we are paying $1.55Million each of the the next 4 seasons.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 10:59Also, the Gary contract restructure for some cost savings is the exact sort of thing I’ve been ranting about the team not doing this year. If anyone is looking for real world examples of how the team is not yet out of the previous cap woods and are already planting the next forest.
Pushing everything out that can be pushed out would be ill-advised. That said, I've got little problems with moves like this. They are sprinkling a few million over several years to ease this season. The cap will continue to grow. Gary will almost certainly be here through the length of his contract.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 10:59Also, the Gary contract restructure for some cost savings is the exact sort of thing I’ve been ranting about the team not doing this year. If anyone is looking for real world examples of how the team is not yet out of the previous cap woods and are already planting the next forest.
We'll know the viability of the question soon enough. I'm certain the Packers already do, or at least have a high confidence understanding of his health prognosis, one way or the other.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 10:58That’s just not a viable question. The assumption of health makes no sense given the realities. You can never again assume his health. He has a fully busted knee that has appeared to be healthy on multiple occasions before getting worse and requiring maintenance.APB wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 06:52To all of you insisting Bakh has to go:
Assuming Bakhtiari is back healthy, does retaining him make the team better? Is he an upgrade, talent and performance wise?
I just wanna get some receipts for later next season when fans are complaining about Gute not making a move to make the roster better...
We might as well assume Reggie White is still alive or Nick Collins is again in his healthy prime. Bakhtiari does not have two healthy knees.
Well yes that’s definitely true. The move only matters if we use the saved space. I made an unwritten assumption which you have found and exposed.
Bakhtiari never added void years, either. It basically makes the end of a contract unreachable because the end year cap numbers grow each time you do this. He JUST signed his deal and we’re already pushing the current money back. We’re making it harder to get a comp pick from him after this deal and probably giving him leverage to force a renegotiation earlier.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 11:09Sorry, but I am going to call you out and say it is not the same thing. There are no void years added, which was the main crux of your argument. It's essentially adding $6.2 million to his signing bonus that is stretched over a 4 year period that everyone expects he will play out. It was guaranteed on March 15th anyway. Instead of paying the full $6.2 million this March and not rolling over any money, we are paying $1.55Million each of the the next 4 seasons.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 10:59Also, the Gary contract restructure for some cost savings is the exact sort of thing I’ve been ranting about the team not doing this year. If anyone is looking for real world examples of how the team is not yet out of the previous cap woods and are already planting the next forest.
And MY point is that even if he goes on to play 17 games next season, it does not change the fact that his health is now a permanently-monitored gamble and maintenance issue—more than the normal players’ injury risk. He is known to be damaged in a way that impacts his availability. That cannot be assumed awayAPB wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 11:32We'll know the viability of the question soon enough. I'm certain the Packers already do, or are at least have a high confidence understanding of his health prognosis, one way or the other.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 10:58That’s just not a viable question. The assumption of health makes no sense given the realities. You can never again assume his health. He has a fully busted knee that has appeared to be healthy on multiple occasions before getting worse and requiring maintenance.APB wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 06:52To all of you insisting Bakh has to go:
Assuming Bakhtiari is back healthy, does retaining him make the team better? Is he an upgrade, talent and performance wise?
I just wanna get some receipts for later next season when fans are complaining about Gute not making a move to make the roster better...
We might as well assume Reggie White is still alive or Nick Collins is again in his healthy prime. Bakhtiari does not have two healthy knees.
My point is all the clamoring for his outright release is seemingly being based (significantly anyway) upon superficial nonsense that doesn't amount to a hill of beans if he is, indeed, back to health. His social media stuff is nonsense. His "rebuilding" statements, aside from being overblown and interpreted out of context, is nonsense. The drunken podcast stuff is nonsense. The cap hit, while significant, is manageable, especially so with the larger than expected cap jump. If he is somehow restructured or - gasp! - extended, it's even more palatable.
So yeah, if David Bakhtiari, the player, is finally recovered from the injury that 95% of affected players eventually recover from, he makes the Packers team better. There is no escaping that for those so willing to both dump Bakh outright while also complaining about Gute not building the best possible roster.
My first paragraph addresses YOUR specific concern directly. Your's is a health related concern. I get that and even share that concern with you. But we don't know what the Packers FO, the medical staff, or what David Bakhtiari know about the current status of his expected future health, we only his health past. That's significant when making future roster decisions.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 11:51And MY point is that even if he goes on to play 17 games next season, it does not change the fact that his health is now a permanently-monitored gamble and maintenance issue—more than the normal players’ injury risk. He is known to be damaged in a way that impacts his availability. That cannot be assumed awayAPB wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 11:32We'll know the viability of the question soon enough. I'm certain the Packers already do, or are at least have a high confidence understanding of his health prognosis, one way or the other.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 10:58
That’s just not a viable question. The assumption of health makes no sense given the realities. You can never again assume his health. He has a fully busted knee that has appeared to be healthy on multiple occasions before getting worse and requiring maintenance.
We might as well assume Reggie White is still alive or Nick Collins is again in his healthy prime. Bakhtiari does not have two healthy knees.
My point is all the clamoring for his outright release is seemingly being based (significantly anyway) upon superficial nonsense that doesn't amount to a hill of beans if he is, indeed, back to health. His social media stuff is nonsense. His "rebuilding" statements, aside from being overblown and interpreted out of context, is nonsense. The drunken podcast stuff is nonsense. The cap hit, while significant, is manageable, especially so with the larger than expected cap jump. If he is somehow restructured or - gasp! - extended, it's even more palatable.
So yeah, if David Bakhtiari, the player, is finally recovered from the injury that 95% of affected players eventually recover from, he makes the Packers team better. There is no escaping that for those so willing to both dump Bakh outright while also complaining about Gute not building the best possible roster.
And Bakhtiari's situation is vastly different at this point.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 11:49Bakhtiari never added void years, either. It basically makes the end of a contract unreachable because the end year cap numbers grow each time you do this. He JUST signed his deal and we’re already pushing the current money back. We’re making it harder to get a comp pick from him after this deal and probably giving him leverage to force a renegotiation earlier.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 11:09Sorry, but I am going to call you out and say it is not the same thing. There are no void years added, which was the main crux of your argument. It's essentially adding $6.2 million to his signing bonus that is stretched over a 4 year period that everyone expects he will play out. It was guaranteed on March 15th anyway. Instead of paying the full $6.2 million this March and not rolling over any money, we are paying $1.55Million each of the the next 4 seasons.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑27 Feb 2024 10:59Also, the Gary contract restructure for some cost savings is the exact sort of thing I’ve been ranting about the team not doing this year. If anyone is looking for real world examples of how the team is not yet out of the previous cap woods and are already planting the next forest.
The first step is never the one that gets you in trouble. This is just emblematic of our whole approach lately; and that’s the approach that I think doesn’t serve the team’s interest at this stage.
people also get mad at you when you suggest 70million for 8 plays is offensive and its time for him to go. Its comical.
