Jordan Love's Status

[wallyuwl]

Start Malik

[RingoCStarrQB]

Start Malik

He stubbornly refuses to bench Love.

[lupedafiasco]

I don’t believe on benching Love after this bye. He should be fine.

Against the Lions in weather like that he should have been benched. At the very least he should have been benched at half. At some point send the message that a standard isn’t being met.

Idk I’m in a Professional Military Education environment so it’s probably affecting my opinion but set and standard and enforce it. 10 picks in 6 1/2ish games is unacceptable. I mean we are suspending players for off field actions which on my opinion should be second to their on field actions. Love got paid. He should perform. He’s been straight up bad this year. I think some of it is luck related but a lot is just bad decision making.

The inconsistency and brain dead playmaking shouldn’t still be Halle ing this deep into his career. That’s how the season ended last year.

It’s put up or shut up time for Love because the problems we are seeing right now are the same problems we saw throughout college and his whole career up until the 2nd half of last season. Was the 2nd half last year an anomaly or is this who he is?

[musclestang]

Start Malik

He stubbornly refuses to bench Love.

I'm ok with that. During the game i was like, put in Malik, but after thinking, I'm glad they didn't. Jordan has the talent, obviously. They invested in him heavily and he's going to be the starter no matter what we think for the foreseeable future. He needs to learn, he needs to grow, he needs to perform in bad conditions, he needs to overcome adversity, he has a lot to experience.

I don't believe we should be taking away those experiences because it gets tough. He's our present and our future, time to accept that and let it roll. He limped around a little bit after a pass, but otherwise seemed to be able to move well enough to be playing so I don't think he was injured enough to take out.

This team needs tough times to create and forge their identity. It's useless to guys and a team that only perform when everything is just right.

[RingoCStarrQB]

Creating and forging a WINNING CHAMPIONSHIP identity.......I'm down with that.
However .........

[Cdragon]

Start Malik

He stubbornly refuses to bench Love.

I'm ok with that. During the game i was like, put in Malik, but after thinking, I'm glad they didn't. Jordan has the talent, obviously. They invested in him heavily and he's going to be the starter no matter what we think for the foreseeable future. He needs to learn, he needs to grow, he needs to perform in bad conditions, he needs to overcome adversity, he has a lot to experience.

I don't believe we should be taking away those experiences because it gets tough. He's our present and our future, time to accept that and let it roll. He limped around a little bit after a pass, but otherwise seemed to be able to move well enough to be playing so I don't think he was injured enough to take out.

This team needs tough times to create and forge their identity. It's useless to guys and a team that only perform when everything is just right.

I don't think you take him out because it gets tough. You take him out because he is damaged and you have a back up who changes the whole dynamic of the Offense. They were defending against a QB who could no longer move. In Malik you've got a guy who will use his legs to get chunks of yardage. He's got an arm they have to respect. You rely more on Jacobs but you can hurt them through the air. They are missing their best defensive players. Throw in the joker and see if they can react to a wild card. If you pull out another win with a back up that sets the identity of a team, that plays as a team and wins. And Love is back after the bye and maybe he doesn't feel he has to make every play because the team can win. He can eat the ball instead of taking questionable shots in dangerous situations.

[RingoCStarrQB]

He stubbornly refuses to bench Love.

I'm ok with that. During the game i was like, put in Malik, but after thinking, I'm glad they didn't. Jordan has the talent, obviously. They invested in him heavily and he's going to be the starter no matter what we think for the foreseeable future. He needs to learn, he needs to grow, he needs to perform in bad conditions, he needs to overcome adversity, he has a lot to experience.

I don't believe we should be taking away those experiences because it gets tough. He's our present and our future, time to accept that and let it roll. He limped around a little bit after a pass, but otherwise seemed to be able to move well enough to be playing so I don't think he was injured enough to take out.

This team needs tough times to create and forge their identity. It's useless to guys and a team that only perform when everything is just right.

I don't think you take him out because it gets tough. You take him out because he is damaged and you have a back up who changes the whole dynamic of the Offense. They were defending against a QB who could no longer move. In Malik you've got a guy who will use his legs to get chunks of yardage. He's got an arm they have to respect. You rely more on Jacobs but you can hurt them through the air. They are missing their best defensive players. Throw in the joker and see if they can react to a wild card. If you pull out another win with a back up that sets the identity of a team, that plays as a team and wins. And Love is back after the bye and maybe he doesn't feel he has to make every play because the team can win. He can eat the ball instead of taking questionable shots in dangerous situations.

Tell LaCoach this and see if it sinks in to his thick complementary prissy football skull. Good luck!

[musclestang]

He was not so injured he couldn't move. He seemed to move just fine. Yes we have a guy that can change the dynamic, but also limits the offense. I have nothing against Malik at all. Part of me wants him to get real opportunity to showcase what he can do and become a starter in this league for real. I like that kid, a lot.

But Starters and leaders need to be able to lead thru things like the last game. Mahomes isn't pulled because he's a little dinged up. Rodgers faced an all time legendary NFL defense on one leg in the playoffs. Favre would spit up blood from a hit and come back in concussed and throw a game winning touchdown.

So while Love might have not been 100%, from what I saw, physically he was more than well enough to play the game and IMO should have like he did.

[Acrobat]

Imagine if Holmgren actually did make a QB change in '93/'94. What would have happened to the organization? Sometimes the emotional decision isn't the best decision.

[Labrev]

The other team's QB last Sunday is why you don't give up on Love early. Jared Goff was a talented but very up-and-down player as a QB in his first few seasons. The team that drafted him traded him away. It took him until like two and a half seasons ago to finally really hit his stride. Now he's a Top-5 QB in the league.

There is a point at which if you have started at QB in the NFL for a long enough time, you have a level of experience that makes it very difficult to beat you, because you have seen pretty much everything. Love has shown he can play at an elite level. We need to let him gain the experience.

[Scott4Pack]

It’s put up or shut up time for Love because the problems we are seeing right now are the same problems we saw throughout college and his whole career up until the 2nd half of last season. Was the 2nd half last year an anomaly or is this who he is?

Yup. That's the question.

We have the most drops in the league, if I am correct. If HALF of those drops are catches, does that offset the INTs at all?

Love has shown that he truly has elite arm talent. He just needs to marry the head talent with it. Any confident HC and OC should think that they can help him progress in that. And like at least one commentator has said, Love is still a young starting QB. He really doesn't have a large number of starts under his belt.

At the least, Love has shown that he can probably play a lot like Favre (high risk/high reward). And if he improves above that at all, he will be worth every bit of his contract. I'm just hoping he improves sooner than later or not at all. I don't have enough hair to pull out! ;-)

[Half Empty]

Interesting, trying to correlate drops to team performance -

NFL Teams With Most Dropped Passes This Season
Team Dropped Passes
Browns 27
Giants 24
Packers 23
Jets 20
Patriots 19
Bills 18
Seahawks 18
Texans 17
Chargers 17
Saints 16
Jaguars 14
Dolphins 14
Buccaneers 14
Broncos 13
Titans 13
Falcons 12
Panthers 12
Colts 12
Cardinals 12
Ravens 12
49ers 12
Bengals 11
Steelers 10
Rams 10
Chiefs 9
Cowboys 8
Raiders 8
Commanders 8
Bears 6
Vikings 6
Lions 4
Eagles 3

[Cdragon]

He was not so injured he couldn't move. He seemed to move just fine. Yes we have a guy that can change the dynamic, but also limits the offense. I have nothing against Malik at all. Part of me wants him to get real opportunity to showcase what he can do and become a starter in this league for real. I like that kid, a lot.

But Starters and leaders need to be able to lead thru things like the last game. Mahomes isn't pulled because he's a little dinged up. Rodgers faced an all time legendary NFL defense on one leg in the playoffs. Favre would spit up blood from a hit and come back in concussed and throw a game winning touchdown.

So while Love might have not been 100%, from what I saw, physically he was more than well enough to play the game and IMO should have like he did.

Malik has been here long enough to know the playbook. He had the majority of 1st team snaps during the week. As far as play calling there would have been no limits. At various points in the game Love was having trouble moving. He was having trouble getting down for the low snaps. He couldn't take direct snaps and hand off or drop back. That limits the O. I want a guy who can tough it out when you have to do so. The game was important but losing wasn't terminal. He played well, but risking him getting injured further on a sloppy field and lost for a longer time to me is a mistake. Especially when you have a back up who has been beating expectations and is ready to go.

[RingoCStarrQB]

At some point the light bulbs will turn on for LaCoach. The sooner the better.
If Love starts the Bears game and things don't go well then it would be time to bring in Malik to reverse the regression. Hoping none of this talk becomes valid. Just putting it there so it's documented.

[BSA]

Malik has been here long enough to know the playbook. He had the majority of 1st team snaps during the week. As far as play calling there would have been no limits.

That's just not the case. The Packers with Malik are throwing the ball on only 33 % of downs, with Love they are over 62 %. Malik is limited and his limits impact the plays MLF can call. With hindsight, it would have been cool to see MLF and Malik take a shot at beating the Lions- but Love is the superior talent and opens up the playbook immensely vs Malik. Its not that Malik doesn't know the plays, its that he just can't execute many of them.

One can question the types of pass plays called given the extreme weather conditions.
The deep passes that Watson misjudged... are a lousy choice when the rain is coming down sideways directly into your WR's grill.
That's asking a lot of the WR and you'll note Detroit didn't bother even trying those type of shot plays. Most of Goff's throws were to a WR squared up and facing him, much easier than an over-the-shoulder catch in those conditions. The Packers WRs let Love down, MLF should have adjusted pass plays called to handle the weather and yes, Jordan could have played better too.

[lupedafiasco]

I don’t care who is in between Love or Willis. Run the damn ball. The path is easier with Willis in because he can run way more effectively than Love.

Right now this offense needs to go through Jacobs. He simply doesn’t get the ball enough when Love is in the game.

[Cdragon]

Malik has been here long enough to know the playbook. He had the majority of 1st team snaps during the week. As far as play calling there would have been no limits.

That's just not the case. The Packers with Malik are throwing the ball on only 33 % of downs, with Love they are over 62 %. Malik is limited and his limits impact the plays MLF can call. With hindsight, it would have been cool to see MLF and Malik take a shot at beating the Lions- but Love is the superior talent and opens up the playbook immensely vs Malik. Its not that Malik doesn't know the plays, its that he just can't execute many of them.

One can question the types of pass plays called given the extreme weather conditions.
The deep passes that Watson misjudged... are a lousy choice when the rain is coming down sideways directly into your WR's grill.
That's asking a lot of the WR and you'll note Detroit didn't bother even trying those type of shot plays. Most of Goff's throws were to a WR squared up and facing him, much easier than an over-the-shoulder catch in those conditions. The Packers WRs let Love down, MLF should have adjusted pass plays called to handle the weather and yes, Jordan could have played better too.

There would have been no limits in regards to the game plan. But Love isn't AR yet. He isn't calling a play that isn't in the gameplan. And if with Malik, they are calling safer passes in that weather, that isn't a bad thing. Yes the WR killed some drives but Love not being able to handle bad snaps killed drives in Detroit's territory as well. But it is all water under the bridge. Heal up, play smarter, and crush duh bares.

[flapackfan]

I can't find the clip but remember Mike Holmgren telling (Gruden? Ried?) to get the backup (Brunell) ready and immediately second guessed his decision. That was probably at a comparable stage in the growth of #4's career.

[Scott4Pack]

I can't find the clip but remember Mike Holmgren telling (Gruden? Ried?) to get the backup (Brunell) ready and immediately second guessed his decision. That was probably at a comparable stage in the growth of #4's career.

Yeah. We likely would've done pretty well if Brunell had a lengthy tenure with us, and not Favre. Brunell had a great career later in Jacksonville, even while surrounded by average (or less) players and coaches.

[RingoCStarrQB]

Alright enough of this dancing.

Question: How many consecutive sh_tty games in a row out of LaCoach and Love should be tolerated before Malik goes in?

Right now we're at 2 (Jacksonville and Detroit).

IT IT TIME!