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Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 15 Feb 2022 10:06
by Pckfn23
What are you just sayin'?

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 15 Feb 2022 11:02
by Yoop
Pckfn23 wrote:
15 Feb 2022 10:06
What are you just sayin'?
you mean besides the fact that the last time we won a SB we had a good defense?

I saw the article, last year another 7 players on the top PFF 101

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 15 Feb 2022 12:31
by packman114
Pckfn23 wrote:
15 Feb 2022 09:53
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/ ... 21-season/
The Green Bay Packers were well represented on the annual best players list from Pro Football Focus in 2021. Matt LaFleur’s team had seven players on “The PFF 101” list, which highlights the top 101 players regardless of positional value or past play.

For reference. the Super Bowl champion Los Angeles Rams also put seven players on the list. Last season, the Packers had six players make the list. Also of note: the Packers only had two players from last season’s list repeat in 2021. Injuries played a big factor, but it was a mostly new cast of standouts for LaFleur’s team.

The seven players on the list were the Packers’ most in a season since 2014. The Super Bowl team in 2010 also had seven players on the year-end list.

Here’s a quick look at the seven players from the Packers on PFF’s top 101 list from 2021.

No. 5: WR Davante Adams

Last season: No. 5

PFF stat to know: 2.8 yards per route run

Adams, a first-team All-Pro at wide receiver, set team records for catches and receiving yards in a single season. He finished as the No. 2 receiver on the list behind only Cooper Kupp, the NFL Offensive Player of the Year and Super Bowl MVP. Adams has made this list four straight seasons.

No. 18: QB Aaron Rodgers

Last season: No. 2

PFF stat to know: Only 12 turnover-worthy plays

Rodgers wasn’t as individually dominant during his 2021 MVP season compared to his 2020 MVP season, but he still produced 40 total touchdowns and had just four total turnovers while leading the league in passer rating. The Packers were 13-2 when he started and finished a game during the regular season. Rodgers has made this list five of the last six seasons.

No. 34: OLB Rashan Gary

Last season: No rank

PFF stat to know: 87 total pressures

Gary, in his first season as a full-time player, evolved into a dominant pass-rushing force. The 2019 first-round pick piled up the pressures and consistently graded out high as a pass-rusher. In Year 3, his pass-rushing grade finished over 90.0. Only six edge rushers finished higher than him on the top 101 list.

No. 40: LB De'Vondre Campbell

Last season: No rank

PFF stat to know: 55 total stops

Campbell earned first-team All-Pro recognition after producing a career-best season in Green Bay. He was highly effective against the run, in coverage, as a pass-rusher and as a big-play creator. His season grade finished as the highest among full-time off-ball linebackers.

No. 65: RB A.J. Dillon

Last season: No rank

PFF grade to know: 31 forced missed tackles

In his second season, Dillon thrived in place of Jamaal Williams alongside Aaron Jones. He bowled through tacklers, averaging 3.1 yards after contact per rush, and proved to be a highly capable player in the passing game. He went over 1,000 total yards and led the team in rushing.

No. 82: RB Aaron Jones

Last season: No rank

PFF stat to know: 39 forced missed tackles

Jones went over 1,000 total yards and scored at least 10 touchdowns for the third consecutive season. He averaged 3.1 yards after contact and 1.5 yards per route run as a receiver, proving his dual-threat ability. Jones and Dillon make up one of the best 1-2 punches at running back in football. He’s made the top 101 list twice in the last three years.

No. 92: OLB Preston Smith

Last season: No rank

PFF stat to know: 63 total pressures

Smith rebounded from a disappointing 2020 season with arguably his best overall season of his career in 2021. He set a new career-high for pressures, and he was fantastic setting the edge against the run. Joe Barry asked him to cover less and rush more, and the results followed. Smith and Rashan Gary were one of the NFL’s most productive edge-rushing duos.

Packers in PFF top 101, previous years

2020: QB Aaron Rodgers (2), WR Davante Adams (5), CB Jaire Alexander (12), LT David Bakhtiari (23), S Adrian Amos (27), C Corey Linsley (39)

2019: Za’Darius Smith (19), Davante Adams (33), Aaron Jones (56), Aaron Rodgers (83), Kenny Clark (97)

2018: David Bakhtiari (39), Aaron Rodgers (41), Kenny Clark (43), Davante Adams (48)

2017: David Bakhtiari (30), Kenny Clark (69), Mike Daniels (89)

2016: Aaron Rodgers (3), David Bakhtiari (20), Mike Daniels (68), Jordy Nelson (74), Bryan Bulaga (77), T.J. Lang (94)

2015: Mike Daniels (47), T.J. Lang (56), Josh Sitton (65)

2014: Aaron Rodgers (2), Jordy Nelson (30), Josh Sitton (35), Eddie Lacy (51), Randall Cobb (58), T.J. Lang (78), Mike Daniels (99)

2013: Josh Sitton (25), Jordy Nelson (39), Eddie Lacy (70)

2012: Aaron Rodgers (11), Clay Matthews (24), Casey Hayward (36), Sam Shields (93)

2011: Aaron Rodgers (1), Clay Matthews (38), Jordy Nelson (53), Bryan Bulaga (71), Josh Sitton (98)

2010: Aaron Rodgers (1), Josh Sitton (48), Tramon Williams (51), Clay Matthews (56), Desmond Bishop (82), Greg Jennings (87), Cullen Jenkins (98)
Is it just me or does it seem like Kenny Clark gets no love at all from PFF? Campbell, Gary and Preston had great years but if not for KC getting double and triple teamed they don't come close to being on this list. Or maybe I don't know anything about football. I think KC is #2 behind Donald as best DL in the league.

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 15 Feb 2022 12:38
by Pckfn23
Clark not being on there is silly.

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 15 Feb 2022 20:55
by RingoCStarrQB
Pckfn23 wrote:
15 Feb 2022 10:06
What are you just sayin'?
Need at least 1 great DL, LB and DB star. 2 out of 3 isn't enough.

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 15 Feb 2022 21:02
by Pckfn23
RingoCStarrQB wrote:
15 Feb 2022 20:55
Pckfn23 wrote:
15 Feb 2022 10:06
What are you just sayin'?
Need at least 1 great DL, LB and DB star. 2 out of 3 isn't enough.
Really, who was the great LB that the Rams had?
What about the Chiefs great LB in 2019?
Would Kyle Van Noy be considered great?

Clark, Campbell, and Alexander aren't enough?

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 15 Feb 2022 21:28
by BF004
Pckfn23 wrote:
15 Feb 2022 21:02
RingoCStarrQB wrote:
15 Feb 2022 20:55
Pckfn23 wrote:
15 Feb 2022 10:06
What are you just sayin'?
Need at least 1 great DL, LB and DB star. 2 out of 3 isn't enough.
Really, who was the great LB that the Rams had?
What about the Chiefs great LB in 2019?
Would Kyle Van Noy be considered great?

Clark, Campbell, and Alexander aren't enough?
Not to mention Za'Darius, Preston and Amos all made the list in the last 3 years as well.


I think 6 guys with top 100 potential on ONE side of the ball is a pretty good foundation for building a good team there.

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 15 Feb 2022 22:00
by RingoCStarrQB
Pckfn23 wrote:
15 Feb 2022 21:02
RingoCStarrQB wrote:
15 Feb 2022 20:55
Pckfn23 wrote:
15 Feb 2022 10:06
What are you just sayin'?
Need at least 1 great DL, LB and DB star. 2 out of 3 isn't enough.
Really, who was the great LB that the Rams had?
What about the Chiefs great LB in 2019?
Would Kyle Van Noy be considered great?

Clark, Campbell, and Alexander aren't enough?
When all healthy, Clark, Campbell and Alexander are definitely enough.
Chiefs played the 49ers. Rams played the Bengals.

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 15 Feb 2022 22:11
by Pckfn23
RingoCStarrQB wrote:
15 Feb 2022 22:00
Pckfn23 wrote:
15 Feb 2022 21:02
RingoCStarrQB wrote:
15 Feb 2022 20:55


Need at least 1 great DL, LB and DB star. 2 out of 3 isn't enough.
Really, who was the great LB that the Rams had?
What about the Chiefs great LB in 2019?
Would Kyle Van Noy be considered great?

Clark, Campbell, and Alexander aren't enough?
When all healthy, Clark, Campbell and Alexander are definitely enough.
Chiefs played the 49ers. Rams played the Bengals.
Packers played the 49ers.

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 15 Feb 2022 22:12
by Drj820
The defense was enough!

Old man Rodgers was cold and Lafleur took a mental vacation day

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 16 Feb 2022 08:35
by RingoCStarrQB
Drj820 wrote:
15 Feb 2022 22:12
The defense was enough!

Old man Rodgers was cold and Lafleur took a mental vacation day
:aok:

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 16 Feb 2022 10:10
by Pckfn23
Most top heavy teams with number of players over $15 M cap space in 2022:
Rams - 7
Cowboys - 7
Packers - 5
Saints - 5
Chiefs - 5

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 17 Feb 2022 11:11
by BF004

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 17 Feb 2022 11:13
by Pckfn23
BF004 wrote:
17 Feb 2022 11:11

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 17 Feb 2022 11:31
by BF004
I will say as good as our OL appears to be, and as much as they were dinged up, and as good as our RB were. I thought they were quite awful run blocking last year.

I feel like our only big runs came squarely on the shoulders of Jones and Dillon.

Not having Bak, Jenkins, and Myers surely didn't help for a lot it, no so sure on Myers yet. JRJ and Newman never really looked ready for that load just yet. Patrick is fine, but he just was never meant to be the shining star of the interior OL.


However to the contrary, lol, I kind of want to make the OL worse and leaning towards getting rid of Turner. :lol: I think he is out playing his contract, at least earning it. But you got a competent 5 with Bak, JRJ, Myers, Newman, Jenkins, whether you try Jenkins or Newman at RT, doesn't matter a ton. We do got Nijman coming back (maybe try him at RT too), and a draft and few other young guys we have been developing. I guess I just feel more comfortable with that than I would getting rid of a Lowry or Amos where we really don't have other options right now.

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 17 Feb 2022 12:03
by paco
BF004 wrote:
17 Feb 2022 11:31
I will say as good as our OL appears to be, and as much as they were dinged up, and as good as our RB were. I thought they were quite awful run blocking last year.

I feel like our only big runs came squarely on the shoulders of Jones and Dillon.

Not having Bak, Jenkins, and Myers surely didn't help for a lot it, no so sure on Myers yet. JRJ and Newman never really looked ready for that load just yet. Patrick is fine, but he just was never meant to be the shining star of the interior OL.


However to the contrary, lol, I kind of want to make the OL worse and leaning towards getting rid of Turner. :lol: I think he is out playing his contract, at least earning it. But you got a competent 5 with Bak, JRJ, Myers, Newman, Jenkins, whether you try Jenkins or Newman at RT, doesn't matter a ton. We do got Nijman coming back (maybe try him at RT too), and a draft and few other young guys we have been developing. I guess I just feel more comfortable with that than I would getting rid of a Lowry or Amos where we really don't have other options right now.
And I don't see why JRJ, Myers, Newman, and Nijman all improve on last year. Tons of snaps, another year in the program, should see improvements. We can pick up another vet OT at a cheaper price. I like Billy, but it makes sense to move on.

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 17 Feb 2022 13:29
by BF004
Bukowski just went through a bunch of trade scenarios, guys like Billy Turner and Za’Darius.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we’d have to carry their cap hits to the new league year in order to trade them, right?

Essentially hurting ourselves having to cut other guys who maybe we could keep, and just making it infinitely harder to try to tag a guy like Davante. Whether to keep or trade him.

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 17 Feb 2022 13:34
by paco
BF004 wrote:
17 Feb 2022 13:29
Bukowski just went through a bunch of trade scenarios, guys like Billy Turner and Za’Darius.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we’d have to carry their cap hits to the new league year in order to trade them, right?

Essentially hurting ourselves having to cut other guys who maybe we could keep, and just making it infinitely harder to try to tag a guy like Davante. Whether to keep or trade him.
That is my understanding. Sure, it would be great to get something for them. But it isn't likely. Unless they extend Davante and Rodgers before all of this forgetting about the tag. There are ways, but, unlikely.

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 17 Feb 2022 13:56
by Pckfn23
BF004 wrote:
17 Feb 2022 13:29
Bukowski just went through a bunch of trade scenarios, guys like Billy Turner and Za’Darius.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we’d have to carry their cap hits to the new league year in order to trade them, right?

Essentially hurting ourselves having to cut other guys who maybe we could keep, and just making it infinitely harder to try to tag a guy like Davante. Whether to keep or trade him.
Correct. Trades do not go on the books until the New league year begins.

Re: Green Bay Packers News 2022

Posted: 17 Feb 2022 14:01
by BF004
Pckfn23 wrote:
17 Feb 2022 13:56
BF004 wrote:
17 Feb 2022 13:29
Bukowski just went through a bunch of trade scenarios, guys like Billy Turner and Za’Darius.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we’d have to carry their cap hits to the new league year in order to trade them, right?

Essentially hurting ourselves having to cut other guys who maybe we could keep, and just making it infinitely harder to try to tag a guy like Davante. Whether to keep or trade him.
Correct. Trades do not go on the books until the New league year begins.
So we'd essentially have to, as an example, cut Adrian Amos in order to hold onto Billy Turner long enough just to trade him for like a 4th-5th round pick.

This cap sucks. I suppose if it wasn't this tight, we wouldn't be talking about cutting or trading good players.