Packers Huddle

NCF wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2021 10:14

Not insignificant.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2021 10:47

The no name backup for the ravens has looked pretty good in two appearances this year

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2021 11:55

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2021 14:08

PFR doesn't do the pressures the same, typically much lower for some reason.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2021 14:13

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2021 14:08

PFR doesn't do the pressures the same, typically much lower for some reason.

go pak go wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2021 14:43

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2021 14:13

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2021 14:08

PFR doesn't do the pressures the same, typically much lower for some reason.

Yoop wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2021 14:47

I don't get it, it must be a inside joke, I try to comment in a positive manor, and this is the reaction

Yoop wrote: ↑

20 Oct 2021 13:21

salmar80 wrote: ↑

20 Oct 2021 11:38

PFR's oft-misunderstood "pressure" stat is simply hurries+knockdowns+sacks (almost).

almost is a subjective word I have almost zero faith that PFR gets the hurries right unless sports trac does the evaluating for them, and they've only been doing this stuff for 2 years.

my angst with all this is people here shooting down PFF grades, while not perfect, and don't always align with Lafluers explanations, there usually very close to what we hear from him, obviously they wont know exactly player assignments, no outsider would be balls on accurate concerning that stuff.

whatever, we don't have access to a ton of game and player evaluations, it's nice to have a varifiable reference to confirm what we watch, but for someone to bring in PFR to do that when it comes to pass rush isn't anything near conclusive at all, and how can they possibly give a player a pressure unless they are evaluating and grading that players performance, Sal do you see why this is confusing to me.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021 12:13

Yoop wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021 12:09

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021 11:48

I didn't bring PFF grade for Gary only. I brought PFR pressure stats for both.

No one said PFRs 10 pressures for Gary has him ranked 9th. I have not looked up where his rank is on PFR.

I am sorry it doesn't make sense to you.

well how can Gary have 23 pressures and a 9th over all ranking (which seems about right to me), yet GPG just showed that he had just over 10 pressures total from the same sight (PFR)

Paco brought a twitter post showing PFF has Gary at 23 pressures, ranked 9th. Not something I brought. Also not the same place go pack go got 10 pressures, which was from PFR. The general public doesn't have access to PFF, thus we use PFR.

PFF and PFR don't evaluate and tally pressures the same. We have gone over this...

I looked for PFR grades today, but they don't come out till tomorrow, and often I've seen grades change with PFF from these instant grades we see this morning to when there consensus grades come out mid week.

PFR has their stats up today.
PFF also has their grades up today and have stated many times they rarely revise their grades. There is no "consensus" grades that come out mid week.

Yoop wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2021 16:21

go pak go wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2021 13:03

Yoop wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2021 12:59

wha? I bet that Mathews is still better then anyone not named Smith or Gary, and Mathews is the one that emailed someone about wanting to play again for us, Rodgers and Cobb simply agreed they'd like him back.

you really hate that the FO caved in that Rodgers should have a voice in some personal decisions don't you?

You really don't read. Like ever. Don't you.

I read, but not well, next time use pictures please

hey like I've told you, you sound like a porta john lawyer posing as a IRS agent

PFF has 5 or so guys that over view all there interns, so everything is double and triple checked, so when you say they are simply more liberal with handing out hurries I tend to doubt that as much as I think PFR is simply a lot more stingy, I've seen big discrepancy's between them and other data reporting articles, as Branden or someone else mentioned PFR is pretty new, and PFF has been around for close to 2 decades, for the first couple years they where under staffed, but I don't think thats the case any more, I read somewhere that just about every nfl team buys there reports and most colleges too, if thats in fact true then that to me means they are reputable.

seriously now just look at the total pressure difference with Aaron Donalds PFF scores

2020 - Aaron Donald: 98
2019 - Za'Darius Smith: 93
2018 - Aaron Donald: 106
2017 - Aaron Donald: 91

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2021/0 ... l-ranking/

and PFR isn't even in the same ball park, they have Aarons best season as 70 total pressures, and only 45 for last year, thats a lot of liberality then from PFF, thats less then half the totals.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... naAa00.htm

Yoop wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021 12:09

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021 11:48

Yoop wrote: ↑

18 Oct 2021 11:36

then why do you bring PFF grades for Gary yet show PFR for Donald?

you pull this &%$@ all the time and all it does is confuse everyone!


so lets use PFR then, in what freaking universe is 30 plus total pressures a season considered even good for a edge rusher, you have him ranked 9th among all edge rushers this season with 23 rushes with PFF, yet you expect me to believe 10 total pressures has him ranked 9th with PFR? this doesn't even make sense.

I didn't bring PFF grade for Gary only. I brought PFR pressure stats for both.

No one said PFRs 10 pressures for Gary has him ranked 9th. I have not looked up where his rank is on PFR.

I am sorry it doesn't make sense to you.

well how can Gary have 23 pressures and a 9th over all ranking (which seems about right to me), yet GPG just showed that he had just over 10 pressures total from the same sight (PFR)

I looked for PFR grades today, but they don't come out till tomorrow, and often I've seen grades change with PFF from these instant grades we see this morning to when there consensus grades come out mid week.

Yoop wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2021 14:40

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2021 14:27

Yoop wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2021 14:18

my point is if your getting credit for a half sack then obviously it totals 1 pressure

Yes, and it does on Pro Football Reference as well.

sacks, hits and knock downs = total pressures, they tabulate this stuff differently then PFF,

No, PFF is more liberal with counting hurries. That's really the only different

if your already getting credit for a half sack, that is obviously a hurry, as well and also a hit, so simply add the 3 up and thats your total,

That's not how PFF does it. Why would a half sack count as 2.5 pressures? It's only 1 play... How can a defender pressure a QB 2.5 times in a single play?

PFR is also rewarding that half sack with another hurry, so complicated only a person like yourself would like it.

No, That is not the case. A sack or .5 sack is not counted as a hurry.

a sack is also a hurry, a hit is also a hurry, a knockdown is also a hurry, so when you total the 3 thats the total amount of hurries, PFR twist this up, it's comp0licated and doesn't need to be.

Yoop wrote: ↑

17 Nov 2020 13:10

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Nov 2020 11:54

2020:

Preston Smith - 4 Hurries. 3 QB Hits. 1.5 Sacks. 9 Total Pressures.
Zadarius Smith - 6 Hurries. 5 QB Hits. 8 Sacks. 19 Total Pressures.
Rashan Gary - 2 Hurries. 3 QB Hits. 2.5 Sacks. 8 Total Pressures.

Total = 12 Hurries. 11 Hits. 12 Sacks. 36 Pressures.

2019: (after 9 games)

Preston Smith - 9 Hurries. 5 QB Hits. 8 Sacks. 22 Total Pressures.
Zadarius Smith - 7 Hurries. 8 QB Hits. 8.5 Sacks. 24 Total Pressures.
Rashan Gary - 1 Hurry. 1 QB Hit. 1 Sack. 3 Total Pressures.
Kyler Fackrell - 2 Hurries. 2 QB Hits. .5 Sack. 5 Total Pressures.

Total = 18 Hurries. 16 Hits. 18 Sacks. 54 Pressures.

thanks, our pressures are down a 1/3rd, we all love the hits and sacks, but hurries are often just as affective, we got a pick Sunday due to a hurry, just making the QB re set and possibly move to another receiver is a successful pass rush to me.

I think some saw this coming, Gary would over take P. Smith, imo it's obvious he's much more athletic, has better feet and really just needed some coaching up and increased strength, it showed Sunday, and Prestine at times just looks weak, can't shed a block, I forget, I think it was the Bucs game, he was dominated for most of the game by a TE, I told my brother we should try and sign that TE lol, so ya, I would give Prestines money to resign Jones, orrrrr, I'd use it on a big DT

I remember reading that Z. Smith had somewhere in the neighborhood of 120 total pressures last year, I know there is a wide range when doing these pressure states, but these are so much different then I remember, I think my source last year was PFR and P.Smith was around 50 total, either way he hasn't looked anything like he did last season, neither does Z, Gary has made the leap.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2021 15:12

ok, wait, I remember glazing over last time this argument came up, but reading all of that back...

does PFF really give away hurries about three times more liberally than PFR? And that's the difference? That is a wild amount of discretion between the two!

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2021 15:12

ok, wait, I remember glazing over last time this argument came up, but reading all of that back...

does PFF really give away hurries about three times more liberally than PFR? And that's the difference? That is a wild amount of discretion between the two!

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

15 Dec 2021 11:55

paco wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2021 07:22

Didn't see if anyone mentioned this signing. Seems like a good kid people think can be good. But what place does he have with us? Depth for the future assuming Patrick is gone next year? Insurance for now because Myers may not come back this season?

Cdragon wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2021 07:43

paco wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2021 07:22

Didn't see if anyone mentioned this signing. Seems like a good kid people think can be good. But what place does he have with us? Depth for the future assuming Patrick is gone next year? Insurance for now because Myers may not come back this season?

Center missed the D encroachment and didn't snap, somebody must have heard about it from AR. Wish AR would mention STs to them.