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NCF wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 13:39

One week until we have some answers.

Maybe

paco wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 12:42

I hate hate hate that I'm putting him here (or clicked on it in the first place). But what he says and who retweeted it does say something to the situation, and might clarify it in some people's minds.

spot on, Rodgers feels snubbed, I would feel the same if I was the the main reason this team has been in the PO 10 of his 13 years as the starter, A player like Rodgers should be at minimum consulted more with team decisions

and for those here that think he has attitude issues, well he expects team mates to take there craft seriously, and leave there cellphones in there locker, the players like Jennings area a bunch of cry babies cause Rodgers called them out, you don't hear any of this BS from guys like Sitton or Lang or Adams and others that know when it's time to train hard and when it's time for calling your freaking stock broker.

Rodgers should be at minimum consulted more with team decisions

No, no player should be consulted about team personnel decisions. The only decision veterans of a team should have at least a say in, is head coach. That is it. No player should be involved in the draft process. No player should be involved in cuts. No player should be involved in trades. No player should be involved in free agent signings.

It seems Rodgers is butthurt about the cutthroat nature of professional sports. Suck it up buttercup.

All we hear is the term "respect" but none of us know what that definition means in this situation.

Anything beyond that is projection.

Like take Stephen A Smith for instance. Hard for me to hear "spot on...then talk about personnel decisions" when I don't think Stephen A ever mentioned personnel decisions.

Again. He just mentioned respect.

And Rodgers doesn't have influence who comes here? I think Mercedes Lewis and Jimmy Graham beg to differ.

But what do I know?

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 11:07

Rodgers is typically mad about a missed block, a poorly run route, a missed call my the ref, etc. He’s a perfectionist.

So he isn't typically mad or a perfectionist about mistakes by the QB?

Half Empty wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 14:31

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 11:07

Rodgers is typically mad about a missed block, a poorly run route, a missed call my the ref, etc. He’s a perfectionist.

So he isn't typically mad or a perfectionist about mistakes by the QB?

Im sure hes down on himself as well when he makes a mistake.

paco wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 12:42

I hate hate hate that I'm putting him here (or clicked on it in the first place). But what he says and who retweeted it does say something to the situation, and might clarify it in some people's minds.

I mean everyone finds SAS annoying at this point in his career but its just as Ive been saying.

Some of you are great people. Hall cup full type people. Everything is roses and sunshine and good on you but youre clueless and gullible. The world needs people like that. Bless your hearts.

This is about a loss of trust between player and organization. You can think Love was a "lottery ticket" all you want. This team was ready to sever ties with Rodgers the moment they made that pick (and I think it was predetermined but thats neither here nor there). You lose trust between employee and employer and you lose respect because you feel disrespected. Ive been saying that for months.

Some fans just cant read in between the lines. That or selective hearing.

Steven A's point is that this has nothing to do with football. That means it is NOT about personnel decisions. It is NOT about getting him a receiver. It is NOT about perceived shortcomings of the team or how they addressed them or didn't.

That's his point. Interestingly enough, as Steven A is a huge Rodgers backer; it's our point, too. All along we've said if Rodgers is complaining about football, he is dumb and he is in the wrong. All along we've said if Rodgers is complaining about his contract, then he's complaining more about the way the NFL works in general than the contract he signed with the Packers.

But Steven A. thinks that Rodgers has been "disrespected and dismissed." He also thinks that "feeling disrespected" is a valid reason to act as Rodgers has been acting.

When Rodgers did speak, he said it's about the people--that the people make organizations special and the team seems to forget that. It jives perfectly with the rumored concerns about guys who have been shown the door (or maybe how guys have been shown the door). And it jives perfectly with Rodgers seeming confidence that he was simply next in line to be unceremoniously released or traded and moved on from, on a set timeline.

That's why I, at least, have continued to say all these side arguments (which I have participated in, certainly) are beside the point. All this stuff about the team in 2011 or 2014 or 2015 and 16 are beside the point. Sure, we can still fill an offseason debating how much of 2018 and 2018 fell on Rodgers' shoulders for playing poorly when he could have played better or fell on TT and MM's shoulders for not setting the team up for success. But that is ALL beside the point.

What IS the point is that Rodgers seemingly believes that the team doesn't treat its players with the importance Rodgers thinks is merited; that they act on the business side like a business, and not like a family for lack of a better word. Most players and most superstars completely understand this about the game. They accept it about the game. Rodgers is livid about it. He railed against the CBA and quit his role as player rep.

And then Rodgers, like lupe, like many national reporters, viewed the drafting of Jordan Love as a path-dependent, set timeline, for Rodgers' dismissal. I believe Rodgers misinterpreted that selection. I believe the team was taking a gamble to give them a possible successor in the event that Rodgers doesn't reclaim his old glory. The day of the draft, Gutey said himself that if Love reaches the end of his contract without having taken over it would be "a great thing for the Green Bay Packers because it means they have maintained high level QB play for the next four years."
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I believe that, of course, he was drafted with the idea that in 2 or 3 years he would be capable of becoming the starter, and in 2 or 3 years, Roidgers may or may not be capable of winning a championship anymore. But the eventual OUTCOME of those decisions was never set. It could end like Rodgers, with 3 years on the bench and then the starter is traded; it could end like Garrapolo, who after showing off some ability in spot duty, became a valuable trade asset while the starter remained. It could end up any host of ways.

But Rodgers is convinced the team was shoving him out the door, and he feels like it fits a pattern of disrespect for departing veterans, and Steven A (and apparently Shailene Woodley) think that path dependence is an egregious event, worthy of evoking rage and protest and withholding of contractual services.

The point of it all is fairly logical. But it's still true that at the end of the day, my OPINION on it is that Rodgers is being a huge toddler, overreacting to a fact of the NFL, unable to cope with his age or accept any fault for his or the team's shortcomings. And eventually, he just broke down and blamed it all on some bs that was easier than self reflecting or accepting the status quo of the NFL.

The team never traded him. They never entertained it. We have MANY reports saying the team has not even listened to offers, coming from the teams that inquired, not just from the packers sources. So again I state that Rodgers is making a preemptive strike. The drafting of Love created an option. Rodgers decided to strike before that option was exercised or even before it was entertained. If he finds that SO disrespectful that he can't imagine possibly playing for the team again, then he's just immature, weak, and as he hates to be called, sensitive. When this happened to Tom Brady, Tom Brady made sure the team kept him and sent his successor packing. And he did it on the field. Rodgers reacted like Carson Wentz, who was roundly criticized for taking it too personally. He's being a baby.

Some fans make &%$@ up to fit a long standing narrative they can't let go of. Case in point:

This team was ready to sever ties with Rodgers the moment they made that pick

The biggest bunch of &%$@ on this forum and that is saying something. The Packers were solidifying their future from the decline of an aging QB who was playing average football on a large contract. Thankfully that QB bounced back.

TL;DR:

• All the stuff about personnel and team ability and lack of championships is superfluous to the current situation.

• Drafting Love was a way of the team saying "Sometime in the next 4 years, we may need a replacement at QB, and this may be our best chance to fill it before we need to."

• According to Rodgers and guys like Steven A and lupe, drafting Love said "we're done with you; you've got a year"

• Reacting the way Rodgers has, treating small slights as the height o disrespect, and withholding contractual services is a huge, babyish overreaction and speaks of pride, ego, insecurity, and weakness.

• Tom Brady faced a highly similar scenario and reacted by complaining behind closed doors while he won Super Bowls and forced his rival successor out of town through his play... like a champion.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 14:00

Rodgers should be at minimum consulted more with team decisions

No, no player should be consulted about team personnel decisions. The only decision veterans of a team should have at least a say in, is head coach. That is it. No player should be involved in the draft process. No player should be involved in cuts. No player should be involved in trades. No player should be involved in free agent signings.

It seems Rodgers is butthurt about the cutthroat nature of professional sports. Suck it up buttercup.

well I consider the coaching hire to be a team decision, you took my comment to extremes, didn't say he should be in the draft room, however he should be included in positional needs on offense because he should and I'am sure is involved with schemes used and play design, you act as though no other QB's around the league have this kind of input and your tone suggest Rodgers is to stupid to know how to do this, Rodgers is capable, and puts as many hours into film study as the coaches.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 15:21

TL;DR:

• All the stuff about personnel and team ability and lack of championships is superfluous to the current situation.

• Drafting Love was a way of the team saying "Sometime in the next 4 years, we may need a replacement at QB, and this may be our best chance to fill it before we need to."

• According to Rodgers and guys like Steven A and lupe, drafting Love said "we're done with you; you've got a year"

• Reacting the way Rodgers has, treating small slights as the height o disrespect, and withholding contractual services is a huge, babyish overreaction and speaks of pride, ego, insecurity, and weakness.

• Tom Brady faced a highly similar scenario and reacted by complaining behind closed doors while he won Super Bowls and forced his rival successor out of town through his play... like a champion.

Sums it up so well. Very nice word dude.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 14:47

paco wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 12:42

I hate hate hate that I'm putting him here (or clicked on it in the first place). But what he says and who retweeted it does say something to the situation, and might clarify it in some people's minds.

I mean everyone finds SAS annoying at this point in his career but its just as Ive been saying.

Some of you are great people. Hall cup full type people. Everything is roses and sunshine and good on you but youre clueless and gullible. The world needs people like that. Bless your hearts.

This is about a loss of trust between player and organization. You can think Love was a "lottery ticket" all you want. This team was ready to sever ties with Rodgers the moment they made that pick (and I think it was predetermined but thats neither here nor there). You lose trust between employee and employer and you lose respect because you feel disrespected. Ive been saying that for months.

Some fans just cant read in between the lines. That or selective hearing.

My gosh, why didn't you tell us earlier that you had all the answers? It would have saved those who are expressing opinions a lot of effort when we could have gotten the facts straight from you. I appreciate that you think I'm a nice guy, but it's been a while since I was labeled as stupid. Now you've hurt my feelings.

Half Empty wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 16:10

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 14:47

paco wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 12:42

I hate hate hate that I'm putting him here (or clicked on it in the first place). But what he says and who retweeted it does say something to the situation, and might clarify it in some people's minds.

I mean everyone finds SAS annoying at this point in his career but its just as Ive been saying.

Some of you are great people. Hall cup full type people. Everything is roses and sunshine and good on you but youre clueless and gullible. The world needs people like that. Bless your hearts.

This is about a loss of trust between player and organization. You can think Love was a "lottery ticket" all you want. This team was ready to sever ties with Rodgers the moment they made that pick (and I think it was predetermined but thats neither here nor there). You lose trust between employee and employer and you lose respect because you feel disrespected. Ive been saying that for months.

Some fans just cant read in between the lines. That or selective hearing.

My gosh, why didn't you tell us earlier that you had all the answers? It would have saved those who are expressing opinions a lot of effort when we could have gotten the facts straight from you. I appreciate that you think I'm a nice guy, but it's been a while since I was labeled as stupid. Now you've hurt my feelings.

The irony of you being called a Half Full person when your username is Half Empty...

Right. Didn't catch that. Wondered what a "Hall cup full" person was, but there was so much rambling I didn't put 2 and 2 together.

go pak go wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 16:02

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 15:21

TL;DR:

• All the stuff about personnel and team ability and lack of championships is superfluous to the current situation.

Right

• Drafting Love was a way of the team saying "Sometime in the next 4 years, we may need a replacement at QB, and this may be our best chance to fill it before we need to."

wrong

• According to Rodgers and guys like Steven A and lupe, drafting Love said "we're done with you; you've got a year"

Wrong

• Reacting the way Rodgers has, treating small slights as the height o disrespect, and withholding contractual services is a huge, babyish overreaction and speaks of pride, ego, insecurity, and weakness.

Wrong - he is standing up for himself. Not all people are scabs and conform. He was mistreated if he doesn't act nothing will be changed.

• Tom Brady faced a highly similar scenario and reacted by complaining behind closed doors while he won Super Bowls and forced his rival successor out of town through his play... like a champion.

wrong - Mac Jones is the first first round QB drafted by the patriots since Brady took over.

Sums it up so well. Very nice word dude.

Comments above ultimately mostly subjective. The camp that believes in sticking up for yourself and the scab camp that put conformity to authority above all else.

Yoop wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 09:43

APB wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 09:15

I'm not sure what your point is with this statement and your associated link. You bemoan the fact QBs taken at Love's draft slot have a 75% bust rate...but that's no different than QB's taken with picks 2-5 according to your linked article.

the point is that at slot 26 there are lOVE caliber QB's in almost every draft class.

I really don't see how you can assess a man's NFL career before it has started. I'm surprised that you believe you know more about his college form than the Packers' scouting team, but I suppose that's possible. But it is not possible that you can assess how good he is as an NFL player, yet.

It seems your problem is not that we drafted a QB at all, it's that we drafted one that doesn't match the standards you have set the team. You seem to haver between the idea that no QB could be good enough to replace Rodgers so there is no point trying, and that QBs good enough to replace Rodgers can be had every draft. You aren't making sense.

Another page of people chatting about nonsense. Respect. What on earth was/is #12 actually trying to achieve?

Whatever it is he think's he's trying to achieve, his strategy is breathtakingly stupid. Its almost impossible to hash out a realistic scenario that's even vaguely beneficial for him; financially, personally, or success on the field.

Maybe it's CTE?

Either that or its all just a big troll job, he's just boosting the offseason drama to show the producers what he's capable of.

bud fox wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 19:06

go pak go wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 16:02

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

21 Jul 2021 15:21

TL;DR:

• All the stuff about personnel and team ability and lack of championships is superfluous to the current situation.

Right

• Drafting Love was a way of the team saying "Sometime in the next 4 years, we may need a replacement at QB, and this may be our best chance to fill it before we need to."

wrong

• According to Rodgers and guys like Steven A and lupe, drafting Love said "we're done with you; you've got a year"

Wrong

• Reacting the way Rodgers has, treating small slights as the height o disrespect, and withholding contractual services is a huge, babyish overreaction and speaks of pride, ego, insecurity, and weakness.

Wrong - he is standing up for himself. Not all people are scabs and conform. He was mistreated if he doesn't act nothing will be changed.

• Tom Brady faced a highly similar scenario and reacted by complaining behind closed doors while he won Super Bowls and forced his rival successor out of town through his play... like a champion.

wrong - Mac Jones is the first first round QB drafted by the patriots since Brady took over.

Sums it up so well. Very nice word dude.

Comments above ultimately mostly subjective. The camp that believes in sticking up for yourself and the scab camp that put conformity to authority above all else.

I believe in sticking up for myself as long as it is beneficial to all parties or at the least to one party.

But when you stick up for yourself for the sake of sticking up for yourself and all parties are hurt, including your own, as a result, I think it's quite stupid to continue down that path unless the relationship is an abusive one. Which is this is not.

No this, based on the information we have at this point, has no rationality on the behavior.

I do have people in my life who make stinks just to make stinks or let emotions get to the best of them. Honestly they are not happy and the people around them are also not happy. Nobody is a winner in those situations. So far that is what is happening in GB since the news broke he doesn't want to be a Packer.

It's lose, lose right now.

But hey. If he wants to stick it to Mark Murphy i guess that is within his right. It's just he and his stakeholders get to pay the price for that decision.