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In the last 3 years Carson Wentz: 34 TDs 31 INTs Averaged 213 yards per game and W/L record of 14-21-1.
In the last 3 years Carson Wentz made $89 million.

As a fan, I don't think we can afford an NFL that pays that much for that performance
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The Raiders' data point is one of the craziest stats I've ever seen.

Bobby Wagner returns to the Seahawks!

Wouldn’t shock me in the slightest

BF004 wrote: ↑

26 Mar 2023 19:49

Wouldn’t shock me in the slightest

Not a fan of this idea.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

26 Mar 2023 00:33

The Raiders' data point is one of the craziest stats I've ever seen.

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Where is that from?

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Mar 2023 09:53

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

26 Mar 2023 00:33

The Raiders' data point is one of the craziest stats I've ever seen.

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Where is that from?

Warren Sharp. I was gonna post the tweet but it didn't show the full list in the forum so I went with a screenshot

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

27 Mar 2023 10:09

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Mar 2023 09:53

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

26 Mar 2023 00:33

The Raiders' data point is one of the craziest stats I've ever seen.

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Where is that from?

Warren Sharp. I was gonna post the tweet but it didn't show the full list in the forum so I went with a screenshot

I honestly have no idea how LV's data point is even possible.

I mean it's bad, but with a couple of the hits (Maxx Crosby, Hunter Renfrow, Josh Jacobs) it seems improbable, eh? But man, what a rough list


2022 3 Dylan Parham 90 OL
2022 4 Zamir White 122 RB
2022 4 Neil Farrell 126 DT
2022 5 Matthew Butler 175 DT
2022 7 Thayer Munford 238 OL
2022 7 Brittain Brown 250 RB

2021 1 Alex Leatherwood 17 OL
2021 2 Tre'von Moehrig 43 S
2021 3 Malcolm Koonce 79 DE
2021 3 Divine Deablo 80 DB
2021 4 Tyree Gillespie 143 S
2021 5 Nate Hobbs 167 CB
2021 7 Jimmy Morrissey 230 OL

2020 1 Henry Ruggs III 12 WR
2020 1 Damon Arnette 19 CB
2020 3 Lynn Bowden Jr. 80
2020 3 Bryan Edwards 81 WR
2020 3 Tanner Muse 100 S
2020 4 John Simpson 109 G
2020 4 Amik Robertson 139 CB

2019 1 Clelin Ferrell 4 DE
2019 1 Josh Jacobs 24 RB
2019 1 Johnathan Abram 27 S
2019 2 Trayvon Mullen 40 CB
2019 4 Maxx Crosby 106 DE
2019 4 Isaiah Johnson 129 CB
2019 4 Foster Moreau 137 TE
2019 5 Hunter Renfrow 149 WR
2019 7 Quinton Bell 230 DE

2018 1 Kolton Miller 15 T
2018 2 P.J. Hall 57 DT
2018 3 Brandon Parker 65 T
2018 3 Arden Key 87 DE
2018 4 Nick Nelson 110 CB
2018 5 Maurice Hurst Jr. 140 DT
2018 5 Johnny Townsend 173 P
2018 6 Azeem Victor 216 LB
2018 7 Marcell Ateman

go pak go wrote: ↑

27 Mar 2023 10:15

I honestly have no idea how LV's data point is even possible.

Checked the comments; widespread agreement that the number is a mistake, with some assumptions being that the database may have only included data from the Vegas years not Vegas and Oakland years.

Actually number looks to be ranked 30th at around 58k.

Good fact check, guys.

BOOOOOOO this was MY GUY for a cheap free agent starting safety who knows our DC and scheme.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

27 Mar 2023 11:40

BOOOOOOO this was MY GUY for a cheap free agent starting safety who knows our DC and scheme.

Another one bites the dust.
But I'm thinking the only reason for FAs pick GB in 2023 is if the Packers massively overpay.
But I'm also thinking everything will look different in 2024 offseason in terms of GB desirability & cap space.

BSA wrote: ↑

27 Mar 2023 12:43

Another one bites the dust.
But I'm thinking the only reason for FAs pick GB in 2023 is if the Packers massively overpay.
But I'm also thinking everything will look different in 2024 offseason in terms of GB desirability & cap space.

I don't buy most of that

First of all, signing a 1-year deal shows he didn't have many good offers and he decided to try to prove himself and get back on the market next year.

Secondly, players in that position often sign places where they believe they can succeed. The Bills have a lot going for them, but an open starting safety position is not one of those things. Players often make decisions based on coach familiarity, scheme familiarity, etc. For instance, Campbell, a LB, signed with the Packers for a low-money 1-year deal and explicitly cited his past relationship with MLF as a key determining factor.

And finally, while I agree that the cap situation is not ideal this year and things will look different in 2024, that logic applies to top and mid-level free agents, not to low-money guys.

I believe that the Packers and Rapp did not match because the Packers didn't show a lot of interest. They clearly prefer more speed and athleticism at safety and Rapp had very bad testing. Rapp only had visits with New England and Buffalo. Often, the team has interest in the free agents I love (Campbell and Watkins, for instance, for better or worse). Often they do not.

There doesn't seem to be pursuit here. But a 1-year prove it deal for a guy who just signed to be a backup S in Buffalo is not being prevented because of cap space or the lack of appeal of Green Bay.

from warren sharp - years without a playoff win

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NFL win totals for 2023, Packers not getting any LOVE around the League

Haven't seen numbers yet, guessing they gun be big.




I would expected Gary to sign something similar sooner than later.

Highest DT not named Donald.

Not really sure where I expect Gary, probably a little more? I feel like he should/could be right at like Myles Garrett money, but he honestly just doesn't have the production? Although you sign guys for what they will do, not what they did.

BF004 wrote: ↑

07 Apr 2023 14:49

Highest DT not named Donald.

Not really sure where I expect Gary, probably a little more? I feel like he should/could be right at like Myles Garrett money, but he honestly just doesn't have the production? Although you sign guys for what they will do, not what they did.

whaaaaa? if that where the case my friend there wouldn't be rookie contracts, what ya have done, along with the perception that ya can continue to do it, is what gets a guy paid. and Gary has shown one season of very good production, and a acl repair, sure Guty probably will pay for a player he drafted, but I sure hope he doesn't give him the money Simmons just got, Simmons has been a stud since day one.

We shouldn't give Gary a extension till he proves 2021 wasn't a fluke, even then it shouldn't end up 25 mil. a season, edge rushers are more easily found then DT's, at least ones like Simmons

Simmons: since drafted, 67 pressures, 189 tackles 2 pro bowls = Stud Muffin

Gary : since drafted, 83 pressures, 135 tackles 0 pro bowls = Stud Dounut

when ya consider Gary was in the shadow of Z Smith, and MIke Smith felt he needed more coaching up, the end result was a very high ceiling, so if he bounces back to 2021 form he should be paid like a top 5 or so edge rusher, whatever that becomes.

Simmons though has produced very well from the 2nd season on, and 3 down DT's like him are tough to come by, and why he just got that contract.

Rashan Gary cannot hold Myles Garrett’s jock strap in terms of production in this league, and that should, could, and will be held against him in contract negotiations.