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texas wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 03:53

The objectively correct answer to the question of the most devastating loss is the 2014 NFCCG.

Oh man I don't think I can get on board with this. That 2014 NFCCG was gut wrenching, but the Seahawks had the greatest defense since the 85 Bears. Pretty much nobody outside of a few on this forum expected us to hang with them in their house the way we did. Contrast that to the 2007 NFCCG loss. That year the Cowboys were the biggest perceived threat to us in the playoffs and fans were ecstatic when the NYG beat them. That game taught me to never feel relief that the "powerhouse" team gets booted from the playoffs. Most of the time, the team that beat them did so for good reason.

Captain_Ben wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 14:59

texas wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 03:53

The objectively correct answer to the question of the most devastating loss is the 2014 NFCCG.

Oh man I don't think I can get on board with this. That 2014 NFCCG was gut wrenching, but the Seahawks had the greatest defense since the 85 Bears. Pretty much nobody outside of a few on this forum expected us to hang with them in their house the way we did. Contrast that to the 2007 NFCCG loss. That year the Cowboys were the biggest perceived threat to us in the playoffs and fans were ecstatic when the NYG beat them. That game taught me to never feel relief that the "powerhouse" team gets booted from the playoffs. Most of the time, the team that beat them did so for good reason.

The 2014 Seahawks defense was not as good as the 2013 Seahawks defense. In my opinion the 2014 loss was more devastating because we SHOULD have won that game. Half a dozen fluky things had to go against us in the last 6 minutes for us to lose that game, AND IT HAPPENED! It all began with the INT slide...

All I know is I got 3 giant holes in my heart.

2007, 2014 and 2020 just hurt so, so bad. It is time to help heal that wound.

bud fox wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2022 18:43

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2022 18:30

bud fox wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2022 18:09

Since Week 11, Rodgers has the best grade in the NFL, but shakier play in the first half of the season is why he's not ranked inside the top three. He had just a 41.7 PFF grade under pressure in Weeks 1-10. While he did rank first in PFF grade under pressure (82.3) in the following weeks, the late surge wasn't enough to vault up him up the season-long ranks. He finished with a 59.5 grade, which ranked eighth among all QBs.

The bold. Rodgers has the best pocket work of any QB in the NFL but he is bad under pressure - it is just dumb and shows the quality of the PFF stats.

No, but it explains it very clearly. Like Rodgers had bad marks when pressured and throwing deep balls early in the season. Both are well documented. In the final 7-10 games, he was the best in the league overall, the best in the league under pressure, and very highly ranked on deep balls.

They went out of their way to explain why Rodgers' full-season grades didn't reflect how well he has been playing for an extended period of "lately." That should tell you that it was respect. Like they recognized that their full season stats didn't make sense, so they explained the breakdown to refresh our memories of a time when Rodgers missed on a lot of deep balls and struggled when pressured, which seems like a distant memory, and turns out to have been a short-lived blip that more than reverted to the mean; reverted right past it; a full swing.

It's just remarkable how instinctively the defense mechanism kicks in even when no one is disrespecting. Your brain must be a fascinating piece of machinery.

It is legendary.

But that's if you trust the pressure counts by PFF. If Rodgers has to move in the pocket does that count as a pressure? It is just so subjective and ambiguous. The fact is Rodgers pocket movement takes away pressure like no other QB in the league.

So if Rodgers moves in the pocket and removes pressure, is that counted as a pressured throw? It is a pressured snap. Or is it when the rusher actually gets close to him and he quickly throws the ball?

Or do we just say wow Rodgers hasnt been very good with pressure this you because Jake Morley said so.

any time a rusher forces the QB to avoid him it's a pressure, that Rodgers is able to move and throw a pass doesn't void the pressure, if the QB has 4 rushers chasing him that equals 4 pressures, this isn't brain surgery, if the QB alludes all 4 rushers, throws for a TD those rushers are still given a pressure stat.

Rodgers like last year, and all the years prior is probably the best at alluding pass rushers, in fact he's known as one of the best at it, and extending plays, that he isn't as accurate or as good under pressure shouldn't shock us to much, most QB's struggle handling pressure, in fact pressure is like kryptonite and is the end game for more QB's then anything else, and unless Love does better dealing with it it will be the end for him too.

I don't know who from PFF did this grade on Rodgers, but we have questioned some of there grades before, and I'am not sure I buy this grade hook line and sinker either, but hey if your gonna grade OL as near flawless, then the QB has to be the bad guy, right?

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 15:17

Captain_Ben wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 14:59

texas wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 03:53

The objectively correct answer to the question of the most devastating loss is the 2014 NFCCG.

Oh man I don't think I can get on board with this. That 2014 NFCCG was gut wrenching, but the Seahawks had the greatest defense since the 85 Bears. Pretty much nobody outside of a few on this forum expected us to hang with them in their house the way we did. Contrast that to the 2007 NFCCG loss. That year the Cowboys were the biggest perceived threat to us in the playoffs and fans were ecstatic when the NYG beat them. That game taught me to never feel relief that the "powerhouse" team gets booted from the playoffs. Most of the time, the team that beat them did so for good reason.

The 2014 Seahawks defense was not as good as the 2013 Seahawks defense. In my opinion the 2014 loss was more devastating because we SHOULD have won that game. Half a dozen fluky things had to go against us in the last 6 minutes for us to lose that game, AND IT HAPPENED! It all began with the INT slide...

That $%@# slide. And then Ha Ha's absolutely dumb ass play in the endzone. But no need to re-live it. We win this year and it won't matter anyway, in my book.

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 15:20

All I know is I got 3 giant holes in my heart.

2007, 2014 and 2020 just hurt so, so bad. It is time to help heal that wound.

By 2020 I was already jaded enough from our previous losses that it didn't bother me as much. But maybe that's just me.

Captain_Ben wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 15:30

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 15:20

All I know is I got 3 giant holes in my heart.

2007, 2014 and 2020 just hurt so, so bad. It is time to help heal that wound.

By 2020 I was already jaded enough from our previous losses that it didn't bother me as much. But maybe that's just me.

I was the same way...the least upset as I've been after a Championship Game loss. I was just like "just another year" and moved on with my night.

Captain_Ben wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 15:30

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 15:20

All I know is I got 3 giant holes in my heart.

2007, 2014 and 2020 just hurt so, so bad. It is time to help heal that wound.

By 2020 I was already jaded enough from our previous losses that it didn't bother me as much. But maybe that's just me.

I thought last year was redemption for all our crap we put up with the last 15 years. Because last year we finally hosted an NFC Title game with Rodgers.

Losing that one was just brutal. I can't go through that again. This is our year.

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 15:20

All I know is I got 3 giant holes in my heart.

2007, 2014 and 2020 just hurt so, so bad. It is time to help heal that wound.

the loss to DEnver really hurt in 99, about the same as Dallas and the Niners in 94 and 95, same with 07, 014 and last year, on a lesser note the trade for Hadl in 73 was a time delayed pain of a different sort, but I still cried, mostly because I had to take all the razzing from Bear fans, and those beatches laughed me right out of Illinois when we took Mandarich instead of Bernie Sanders.

I try not to build my hopes up to much for these playoff games.

you see it too right?

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 15:39

you see it too right?

Even with him being a bust...I'm still glad we took Mandrich instead of Option B.

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 15:53

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 15:39

you see it too right?

Even with him being a bust...I'm still glad we took Mandrich instead of Option B.

Ya, 47 is a bit beyond prime.

The one thing Mandrich could have done better is complain about SuperPACs. I actually would have supported him a bit more!

Hey, wait... Didn't Rodgers show up for the Manning Cast on Jan. 3 and then we lost the game on the 9th??!!

Captain_Ben wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 14:59

texas wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 03:53

The objectively correct answer to the question of the most devastating loss is the 2014 NFCCG.

Oh man I don't think I can get on board with this. That 2014 NFCCG was gut wrenching, but the Seahawks had the greatest defense since the 85 Bears. Pretty much nobody outside of a few on this forum expected us to hang with them in their house the way we did. Contrast that to the 2007 NFCCG loss. That year the Cowboys were the biggest perceived threat to us in the playoffs and fans were ecstatic when the NYG beat them. That game taught me to never feel relief that the "powerhouse" team gets booted from the playoffs. Most of the time, the team that beat them did so for good reason.

It's just- that &%$@ doesn't happen to us. That's not the way the Packers are supposed to play. That's a very Vikings thing to do, but not us. Easily most gut-wrenching. Roller coaster game on top of it.

texas wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 20:51

Captain_Ben wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 14:59

texas wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 03:53

The objectively correct answer to the question of the most devastating loss is the 2014 NFCCG.

Oh man I don't think I can get on board with this. That 2014 NFCCG was gut wrenching, but the Seahawks had the greatest defense since the 85 Bears. Pretty much nobody outside of a few on this forum expected us to hang with them in their house the way we did. Contrast that to the 2007 NFCCG loss. That year the Cowboys were the biggest perceived threat to us in the playoffs and fans were ecstatic when the NYG beat them. That game taught me to never feel relief that the "powerhouse" team gets booted from the playoffs. Most of the time, the team that beat them did so for good reason.

It's just- that &%$@ doesn't happen to us. That's not the way the Packers are supposed to play. That's a very Vikings thing to do, but not us. Easily most gut-wrenching. Roller coaster game on top of it.

Sorry, but it's the 1998 Divisional Round loss to the 49ers with the 1:08 drive to win including the Rice fumble no-call, the Steve Young stumble out of the snap and hit T.O. who had at least 3 drops earlier in the game as he was hit by at least 2 Packers and a 3rd and 4th were nearby in coverage.

2014 is riiiiight there, though.

Yal enjoy this conversation. I cant think of such time right now. I am fixating my mind on the positive and hoping to ride the wave until mid February.

Captain_Ben wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 15:30

go pak go wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2022 15:20

All I know is I got 3 giant holes in my heart.

2007, 2014 and 2020 just hurt so, so bad. It is time to help heal that wound.

By 2020 I was already jaded enough from our previous losses that it didn't bother me as much. But maybe that's just me.

I'm the same way. But for the sake of the players....would be nice to at least win the 2021 season NFCCG.

2020 was the worst for me because I was there, on the field, when Tampa got Thier trophy. Was hard as hell to get over! Don't want to experience that again this year

The Packers have never lost when I have been at Lambeau for a game, so if anyone wants to start a crowd fund effort to get me tix to the game, It would be a very worthwhile investment.