Packers Huddle

We could almost do a whole page with The Supreme's "love" songs

Lord I hope not but…

Ok I love how this went and I can't believe how many don't have love in the titles. I think I could do this for another month but I love this story and will exit stage left.

Backthepack4ever wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023 20:25

Ok I love how this went and I can't believe how many don't have love in the titles. I think I could do this for another month but I love this story and will exit stage left.

No you will not. You will continue the moment this thread gets too serious.

I honestly thought about cataloging all the references so as not to repeat.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2023 17:11

texas wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2023 16:50

Yeah but Ohio State QB = overrated, every single time.

Yeah, but the school they went to = dumb way to evaluate individuals, every single time

Cal/Tedford QBs were overrated every single time until one of them was Aaron Rodgers.

I talked to my buddy who has a track record of making correct predictions about players, and he said that Stroud would be his pick as well. He said that on good days Stroud can be like DeShaun Watson, and on bad days, he can be like Deshone Kizer. He said he's the best Ohio State QB that he has seen recently, by quite a bit.

[mention]Backthepack4ever[/mention] didn't take the bait, so I guess I have to do it

texas wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023 21:36

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2023 17:11

texas wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2023 16:50

Yeah but Ohio State QB = overrated, every single time.

Yeah, but the school they went to = dumb way to evaluate individuals, every single time

Cal/Tedford QBs were overrated every single time until one of them was Aaron Rodgers.

I talked to my buddy who has a track record of making correct predictions about players, and he said that Stroud would be his pick as well. He said that on good days Stroud can be like DeShaun Watson, and on bad days, he can be like Deshone Kizer. He said he's the best Ohio State QB that he has seen recently, by quite a bit.

For as much as I make fun of it....your buddy ended up being right about Darnell Savage.

go pak go wrote: ↑

11 Mar 2023 07:07

texas wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023 21:36

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2023 17:11

Yeah, but the school they went to = dumb way to evaluate individuals, every single time

Cal/Tedford QBs were overrated every single time until one of them was Aaron Rodgers.

I talked to my buddy who has a track record of making correct predictions about players, and he said that Stroud would be his pick as well. He said that on good days Stroud can be like DeShaun Watson, and on bad days, he can be like Deshone Kizer. He said he's the best Ohio State QB that he has seen recently, by quite a bit.

For as much as I make fun of it....your buddy ended up being right about Darnell Savage.

Haha yeah, well he's usually correct on his player analysis. His biggest whiff to date was Trubisky, but as he notes, had Trubisky gone somewhere competent it might have been a different story.

BF004 wrote: ↑

11 Mar 2023 12:57

Yes please

Watching some Love highlights, I noticed he ran some effective read-option plays this past preseason. Outside of like two plays, that's been something ARod wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't do.

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

11 Mar 2023 22:15

Watching some Love highlights, I noticed he ran some effective read-option plays this past preseason. Outside of like two plays, that's been something ARod wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't do.

I'm just excited to hopefully see the slants featured again as a key component in our offense.

texas wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2023 04:13

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

11 Mar 2023 22:15

Watching some Love highlights, I noticed he ran some effective read-option plays this past preseason. Outside of like two plays, that's been something ARod wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't do.

I'm just excited to hopefully see the slants featured again as a key component in our offense.

why? I mean who gets there rocks off watching a 4 yrd pass? and whether you realize it or not the QB is only one part of the reason a coach calls slants, the others are the receivers needed to do it, and the other is the defensive schemes being used that would prohibit it, poor timing on a slant into a loaded box often turn into a pick 6.

Rodgers throws slants as well as any QB, the reason you see less has to do with the receivers, or lack of em that can be trusted to instantly get separation off the LOS, and that we don't or havn't had receivers that force 2 high safety support deep, the QB isn't the issue for the lack of slant passes.

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2023 10:53

texas wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2023 04:13

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

11 Mar 2023 22:15

Watching some Love highlights, I noticed he ran some effective read-option plays this past preseason. Outside of like two plays, that's been something ARod wouldn't/couldn't/shouldn't do.

I'm just excited to hopefully see the slants featured again as a key component in our offense.

why? I mean who gets there rocks off watching a 4 yrd pass? and whether you realize it or not the QB is only one part of the reason a coach calls slants, the others are the receivers needed to do it, and the other is the defensive schemes being used that would prohibit it, poor timing on a slant into a loaded box often turn into a pick 6.

Rodgers throws slants as well as any QB, the reason you see less has to do with the receivers, or lack of em that can be trusted to instantly get separation off the LOS, and that we don't or havn't had receivers that force 2 high safety support deep, the QB isn't the issue for the lack of slant passes.

Slants can be very effective when used in the right situations. Heck, they were a key part of our 2007 offense! MM had Favre throwing lots of slants to supplement our poor run game, and it worked, they got tons of YAC.

I believe Rodgers is on record as not liking slants (it was something about tight windows, I think). And whether that's true or not, the fact is that slants have mostly disappeared from our offenses since 2008.

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2023 13:03

the fact is that slants have mostly disappeared from our offenses since 2008.

Its possible - but I'm going to need to see a citation on this one.
That period covers 14 years of Packer offenses across 2 HCs / 2 systems and more than 5000 pass completions.

BSA wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2023 13:16

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2023 13:03

the fact is that slants have mostly disappeared from our offenses since 2008.

Its possible - but I'm going to need to see a citation on this one.
That period covers 14 years of Packer offenses across 2 HCs / 2 systems and more than 5000 pass completions.

Sorry, can't give a definitive citation. I'm mostly going off memory and tidbits like below.

*Edit: Can't get the first link to display properly*
bleacherreport.com/articles/289387-re-igniting-the-flame-getting-greg-jennings-back-into-the-game

Too many times this year, the offense has been relying on "the big play" to move the ball down the sideline. The three-step drops and slant passes have disappeared from the offense.

With the lack of pass protection, it makes even more sense to implement quicker release passes. The offense that was so successful in 2007 and 2008 was built around quickly getting rid of the ball into the receivers' hands in order for them to make a play.

https://archive.jsonline.com/packerinsi ... 34262.html

Q: Tim Canniff, Asheville, NC - Is the slant no longer in the Packer playbook? It seems a 3 step drop - quick slant might help remedy the Packer line problems yet it seems to be a forgotten play.
A: Greg A. Bedard - I think Rodgers is often afraid to throw those slants. Takes a lot of guts to do that. Not many guys do throw it consistently because it has a good chance of going bad.

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2023 13:03

Yoop wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2023 10:53

texas wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2023 04:13

I'm just excited to hopefully see the slants featured again as a key component in our offense.

why? I mean who gets there rocks off watching a 4 yrd pass? and whether you realize it or not the QB is only one part of the reason a coach calls slants, the others are the receivers needed to do it, and the other is the defensive schemes being used that would prohibit it, poor timing on a slant into a loaded box often turn into a pick 6.

Rodgers throws slants as well as any QB, the reason you see less has to do with the receivers, or lack of em that can be trusted to instantly get separation off the LOS, and that we don't or havn't had receivers that force 2 high safety support deep, the QB isn't the issue for the lack of slant passes.

Slants can be very effective when used in the right situations. Heck, they were a key part of our 2007 offense! MM had Favre throwing lots of slants to supplement our poor run game, and it worked, they got tons of YAC.

I believe Rodgers is on record as not liking slants (it was something about tight windows, I think). And whether that's true or not, the fact is that slants have mostly disappeared from our offenses since 2008.

Slants basically have high probability of success and can yield chunks of easy-looking yards. It's been frustrating to watch other teams dink and dunk vs us with slants, especially when we had crap ILBs. I can understand folks wanting to see us do the same.

But since there are always defenders near when you go over the middle, there's a relatively high chance of an INT, even if the QB does everything right. The DL could get a hand up and deflect the ball, WR can bobble or lose control when getting hit, D could drop someone unexpected in coverage etc.

For a QB with accurate, strong arm like AR, the throws to the sideline usually have clearer windows, less chance of deflection and less defenders in the area if something goes awry. So it makes sense for AR to prefer timing routes outside, and is one of the factors leading to his all-time best INT avoidance.

Before yoop blows up again: No, AR wasn't allergic to slants, he threw a lot of them. He just didn't emphasize them to the degree other offenses and QBs have, not even when he had the best WR corps of his career with us. And yes, in recent years we really haven't had great slant-running WRs.

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

12 Mar 2023 13:33

I'm mostly going off memory and tidbits like below.

Thank you, I appreciate the illumination