Your Morning Coffee Rodgers Discussion

[BF004]

Sorry we dont think Malik Taylor, Juwann Winfrey, or ESB are good football players. Or Alan Lazard for that matter. Have a nice day.

Knew you would add something ridiculous. Thanks for not disappointing.

I just wished you a good day, but I understand your need for last word. Get you a Malik Taylor jersey if you can find one bud.

I did have a great day, thanks for the chatter today.

[BSA]

true, but doesn't matter how it's schemed the receiver still has to win

Yoop - this is what I mean by scheme vs match-up football. See below
There was no need for the WR to "win"; the scheme created a layup. You could have made this conversion. The closest defenders had to follow their defensive rules and the offense used those same rules against them. Watch how both of the near side defenders step in the wrong direction, creating a huge opening.

In a match-up type offense- athleticism and release creates the openings, the scheme is secondary.
MM liked the ISO; "my athletes vs yours" while the Shanahan/MLF offenses use different tactics.
And value different skillsets in their WRs



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[TheSkeptic]

Yoop - this is what I mean by scheme vs match-up football. See below
There was no need for the WR to "win"; the scheme created a layup. You could have made this conversion. The closest defenders had to follow their defensive rules and the offense used those same rules against them. Watch how both of the near side defenders step in the wrong direction, creating a huge opening.

The problem with a scheme is that for every offensive scheme there is a defensive scheme. Play calling becomes more important and the best scheme is unique or nearly so to your team. The West Coast offense was great until every defense developed an opposing scheme and drafted defensive players suited to defending the West Coast offense.

I don't see much that is original and effective in MLF's schemes. Maybe his stuff will work with a more veteran team but that is not the offense we have this season. Right now it is too complicated and does not fit his Oline's physical skills. it seems to me that the Packers would be better off asking players to simply beat their man. Watson, Reed and Musgrave can do that and on every single play, one of these 3 will be open. The Oline is effective in pass blocking but run blocking is crap with Dillon as RB#1. Dillon only works as a change-up to Jones. Glad to see the Packers sign another RB, make him the #1 if Jones can't go.

Also, it seems that Rodgers was indeed covering up for MLF's inadequacies. Too bad he got too old and too expensive. And too bad that Love does not yet have to experience to change the play in the last second before the ball is snapped. So it has been a tough season so far and is not likely to get fixed until Love does acquire more experience.

[CWIMM]

And yeah, MVS is a #2 WR, he is paid like one, his impact on the game is evident, his EPA/play while on and off the field is always significant, $30 million dollars don't lie. I think others live in a fantasy land where WR1 gets 1400 yards and WR2 gets 900 yards, but that isn't reality across the league.

These are your top WR2's in the league last year, inclusive of TE's for Kelce. Although MVS is technically WR3, behind Schuster, he is still statistically the 18th best 2nd+ option in the league. I really don't even get the argument against it anymore. I think it just makes people feel better to say it. But that is what a #2 WR in this league does and he is paid accordingly and he is justifying his pay. That is what $10M gets you today on the open market.
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MVS has a total of seven receptions in six games this season. It should be pretty obvious he's nowhere near being a legit #2 receiver at this point no matter how much money he's getting paid.

(2) When we did most recently get him, he had Doubs and Watson last year, but still preferred throwing to Lazard, Cobb, and even Watkins(!) more.... until Watson broke out, in a game in which Rodgers had no one else left to throw to. And when that happened, I complained about him not throwing to the better talent, and *you* defended him throwing to the scrubs he trusts.

Both Doubs (67) and Watson (66) had more targets than Cobb (50) and Watkins (22) last season. So you're just making that up.

[RingoCStarrQB]

And yeah, MVS is a #2 WR, he is paid like one, his impact on the game is evident, his EPA/play while on and off the field is always significant, $30 million dollars don't lie. I think others live in a fantasy land where WR1 gets 1400 yards and WR2 gets 900 yards, but that isn't reality across the league.

These are your top WR2's in the league last year, inclusive of TE's for Kelce. Although MVS is technically WR3, behind Schuster, he is still statistically the 18th best 2nd+ option in the league. I really don't even get the argument against it anymore. I think it just makes people feel better to say it. But that is what a #2 WR in this league does and he is paid accordingly and he is justifying his pay. That is what $10M gets you today on the open market.
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MVS has a total of seven receptions in six games this season. It should be pretty obvious he's nowhere near being a legit #2 receiver at this point no matter how much money he's getting paid.

(2) When we did most recently get him, he had Doubs and Watson last year, but still preferred throwing to Lazard, Cobb, and even Watkins(!) more.... until Watson broke out, in a game in which Rodgers had no one else left to throw to. And when that happened, I complained about him not throwing to the better talent, and *you* defended him throwing to the scrubs he trusts.

Both Doubs (67) and Watson (66) had more targets than Cobb (50) and Watkins (22) last season. So you're just making that up.

Here's our stellar reception stats through the first 5 games:
Doubs 21
Musgrave 18
Reed 13
Wicks 7
Deguara 7
Watson 5
Toure 4
Kraft 2

We have virtually no screen pass game at this time (we can't block well enough to execute a screen pass).

[Yoop]

true, but doesn't matter how it's schemed the receiver still has to win

Yoop - this is what I mean by scheme vs match-up football. See below
There was no need for the WR to "win"; the scheme created a layup. You could have made this conversion. The closest defenders had to follow their defensive rules and the offense used those same rules against them. Watch how both of the near side defenders step in the wrong direction, creating a huge opening.

In a match-up type offense- athleticism and release creates the openings, the scheme is secondary.
MM liked the ISO; "my athletes vs yours" while the Shanahan/MLF offenses use different tactics.
And value different skillsets in their WRs

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thanks, I get your point