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Just checking. Is MLF still employed by Green Bay? Darn! Here are some reasons, off the top of my head, why he should already be packed and sent.
1. How many weeks did he tolerate that defense?
2. How many weeks did he tolerate Amari Rodgers?
3. How many weeks did he tolerate Sammy Watkins?
4. How often do you have a player disqualified TWICE in the same reason?
5. How many home playoff games have we lost now?
6. When is he finally going to stop the nonsense of saying he wants to be a running team while he continues to empower the QB to pass more often?
7. Why does this “elite” team (prior to 2022) continue to under-achieve in January playoff games?
8. What is the team identity here? Shouldn’t that already be clear after four years?
9. How has this team taken a step closer to the Super Bowl?

Look, I get it that teams have down years. I really do. But this HC has no answers for the issues that aren’t related to the trainers trying to keep injured players on the field. If Guty was going to fire him, he would’ve done so by now. So, I’m calling for Guty to be fired too. Either that, or just confess that the standards and accountability of the Green Bay Packers are now LOWER than they used to be. We do NOT want to win a Super Bowl and compete with the top teams any more. We are happy to have our annual family night, practices on cool summer days with many fans in attendance, go through the motions, and sell lots of merchandise.

Come of Packers. Make up your minds!

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

12 Jan 2023 07:49

Raptorman wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2023 21:57

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2023 14:21

The Packers couldn’t afford Z because they kept pushing money on bad contracts they had. They didn’t need to keep Turner. They didn’t need to resign King. They didn’t need to keep Lewis. Or Lowry. Or Crosby. They could have have utilized their 2021 draft picks better so they didn’t get an entire crop of backup players.

There were ways to keep Adams and Z. We just made worse decisions along the way that forced our hands.

And yet, they still ended up with an $11.4 million cap hit this year while he was playing for a division rival.

Yup. $33M in dead cap for the year. But the fans bitch about Rodgers taking up too much money.

lol

You realize that Z being a cap casualty, and whatever consequences come with it, just reinforces the point about Rodgers taking up too much money, right?

To be clear, I don't think we'd have kept Z even if we had the money. He was clearly disgruntled by not being named captain and hated his teammates, so much so that he would not even shake their hands when he returned to Lambeau, not even a respected vet like Amos. And this is not something that is the brass's fault.

The guy was just a diva, the Aaron Rodgers of EDGE if you will.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

12 Jan 2023 07:49

Raptorman wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2023 21:57

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2023 14:21

The Packers couldn’t afford Z because they kept pushing money on bad contracts they had. They didn’t need to keep Turner. They didn’t need to resign King. They didn’t need to keep Lewis. Or Lowry. Or Crosby. They could have have utilized their 2021 draft picks better so they didn’t get an entire crop of backup players.

There were ways to keep Adams and Z. We just made worse decisions along the way that forced our hands.

And yet, they still ended up with an $11.4 million cap hit this year while he was playing for a division rival.

Yup. $33M in dead cap for the year. But the fans bitch about Rodgers taking up too much money.

Over half of AR's hit to several players who contributed nothing this year as opposed to his entire hit for contributing nothing when it counted, while being paid like a savior.

Half Empty wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2023 11:47

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

12 Jan 2023 07:49

Raptorman wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2023 21:57

And yet, they still ended up with an $11.4 million cap hit this year while he was playing for a division rival.

Yup. $33M in dead cap for the year. But the fans bitch about Rodgers taking up too much money.

Over half of AR's hit to several players who contributed nothing this year as opposed to his entire hit for contributing nothing when it counted, while being paid like a savior.

In addition, there were cuts made necessary in part because of the contract the QB received in order to eek out 1 more year of the window.

Guty spoke! He wants to keep all of his guys. Surprised?

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2023 17:43

Guty spoke! He wants to keep all of his guys. Surprised?

No.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2023 17:43

Guty spoke! He wants to keep all of his guys. Surprised?

He’s terrified to go into the deep waters without rodgers.

Labrev wrote: ↑

12 Jan 2023 14:51

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

12 Jan 2023 07:49

Raptorman wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2023 21:57

And yet, they still ended up with an $11.4 million cap hit this year while he was playing for a division rival.

Yup. $33M in dead cap for the year. But the fans bitch about Rodgers taking up too much money.

lol

You realize that Z being a cap casualty, and whatever consequences come with it, just reinforces the point about Rodgers taking up too much money, right?

So the Packers could afford Davante but they couldn’t afford Z?

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 00:08

Labrev wrote: ↑

12 Jan 2023 14:51

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

12 Jan 2023 07:49

Yup. $33M in dead cap for the year. But the fans bitch about Rodgers taking up too much money.

lol

You realize that Z being a cap casualty, and whatever consequences come with it, just reinforces the point about Rodgers taking up too much money, right?

So the Packers could afford Davante but they couldn’t afford Z?

Let’s face it…z had too much personality for the packers organization. He was a better player than Preston, but Z was mistreated by the org and sent packing because Z had opinions of his own and has a little too much “dog” in him, if you will.

we spent 100 mil. on two ufa pass rushers, then used one of the highest picks we've had in a decade on another, why would anyone think both of the ufa would see the end of those ufa contracts? Z made the choice easy with his IR season, I was hoping it would have been Presten, but while not as explosive he has been durable and will compliment Gary when he gets back.

the complaints about not retaining Z never made any sense to me, same with the players not selecting him as a captain after a season of rehab, seriously the angst over not keeping Z seems soooo over blown.

Same with Adams, the reason where whining about his loss has to do with the void left behind do to his departure, which really falls in the lap of the guy in charge of not letting that happen, Guty's draft decision in 2020 or way back in 2018 could have limited the lack of talent when Tae departed, instead, it's simply more convenient to lay the blame on the price of Rodgers contract

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

13 Jan 2023 17:43

Guty spoke! He wants to keep all of his guys. Surprised?

4Packer:
Who is "all of his guys"? Are you talking about Rodgers and Cobb? Is "his" Aaron Rodgers or the Gutester? Who are we talkin' about here? I didn't see the press release.

The org didn't mistreat Z or dislike his personality. It didn't even have anything to do with the Gary pick, either, I'm sure we would have loved to have both Smiths and a breakout Gary on the D at once, that could have been incredibly awesome for our D (and why "but muh Smiths!" was a dumb reason to hate the pick).

He was just butthurt that his teammates didn't name him captain and didn't want to be with them anymore.

Z doesn't complain about being low-balled or anything having to do with the FO. He did reportedly get mad about not being named captain, and his refusal to shake hands with his old teammates. And not guys like diva Rodgers or Jaire's annoying ass, he snubbed Amos, who's a solid dude.

He also didn't like having to listen to team doctors telling him not to play on a bad back, so he ignored them, only to $%@# up his back even more and miss more time.

I get that Z was good for this team not just on-field but in spirit, but he brought his exit from GB almost wholly on himself. Yes, he was essentially a cap casualty and the most obvious choice after Gary had a breakout year, that's true, but even if we had the money, he probably wasn't going to play for us this year.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 00:08

Labrev wrote: ↑

12 Jan 2023 14:51

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

12 Jan 2023 07:49

Yup. $33M in dead cap for the year. But the fans bitch about Rodgers taking up too much money.

lol

You realize that Z being a cap casualty, and whatever consequences come with it, just reinforces the point about Rodgers taking up too much money, right?

So the Packers could afford Davante but they couldn’t afford Z?

Nope, not if they paid Campbell, Douglas, and others what they paid them (and they were only able to afford those guys because Adams didn't accept their offer).

It's not that we couldn't "afford" any of Adams, Z, Campbell, or Douglas individually; we just couldn't afford all of them together. At least two of those guys had to go. In truth, Douglas probably also would have had to go if he let the market set his price; he just seemed to want to stay in GB more.

And if you're going to kvetch about letting good ones like Z go, finding ways to KEEP good ones like Sul at a relative discount would be counted as a point in their favor if we were intellectually honest actors.

Again, it's not simply "Rodgers taking up too much money" that people have a problem with, as if it's my money that I'm pained to lose.

It's not even the real-world consequences of paying him, i.e. cap casualties like Z, that people have a problem with.

The problem with it is.. for how much top talent we lose to pay him, his play is not good enough.

If this was Prime Rodgers, the guy who -- by virtue of pure physical talent -- could cover up the roster holes that will naturally occur as a result of paying for an elite QB, and did for several years under McCarthy, sure, THAT GUY may have been worth it. I can even agree that the GM'ing fell off big time after 2010 and wasted it, although I do think they put together a good enough team to go all the way in 2014.

I may have also even been good with it if they used Drew Brees as a model, where Brees aged into a very effective QB as a savvy game-manager using his wits, and only really having one good receiver (Michael Thomas) and a RB (Kamara) as his weapons. That also would have been a justifiable expense.

Rodgers has been an inconsistent mix of sometimes the good, effective game-managing QB that is worth the contract... to thinking it's 2012 and he can run around the pocket and make highlight reel plays that neither his current arm nor WR or OL group can provide for him. THAT isn't worth the $$$$$$

Mahomes contract is $5M less than Rodgers cap hit and they surrounded him with significantly better talent.

Sub out Mahomes with Rodgers and that KC team is still in the hunt for a owl, Rodgers production decline is a result of the ineptness of the GM manship the last 1/2 doz years.

Z left whining about his team mates cold shoulder and not making him a captain, and not taking the team physicians advice, never mind the second physician out side the org. gave him the same advice, also Z was given over half his 4 year contract in the first 2 seasons, sat the 3rd, his signing bonus and first year deal with Minny was a few mil. more then his 4th year with us, And Gary the slot 12 er that sat for 2 seasons, was finally ready to contribute.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 11:24

Mahomes contract is $5M less than Rodgers cap hit and they surrounded him with significantly better talent.

KC has like 1 star player on O, an older TE, and no one that remarkable on D.

The difference is Mahommes is in his prime and playing like a star, so nobody has to worry about who his no-name players are at RT, RG, RB, or wherever.

With Rodgers, we'd hear no end of how those guys are holding him back.

Go back and watch the 2010 Falcons playoff game. That guy is worth top QB money in the league. Best QB ever.

The current Rodgers hurts the team because he takes up an enormous cap space while delivering sub-optimal results, coupled with the fact that his play is likely to get worse rather than better given his age. And it isn't just age - Rodgers is now deciding pre-snap where to go with the ball, which is always a disaster waiting to happen. He isn't going to change.

I'm in favor of trading AR for whatever this team can get or dumping him post June. Cut or trade everyone over 28. This team is nowhere close to winning anything and getting better for 2024 and beyond is the best course.