Packers Huddle

I honestly can't see Rodgers running the Chiefs scheme. He's pretty rigid in what he wants (i.e. he dislikes motion, prefers throwing toward the sidelines, doesn't like short slants, no wildcat, etc.)

And am I the only one who remembers how frustrated we all got with Z's poor run defense? Did I just imagine him giving up the edge every playoff game? He was a great pass rusher, but he was not a great OLB overall.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 11:24

Mahomes contract is $5M less than Rodgers cap hit and they surrounded him with significantly better talent.

That’s not really about money though. That’s just that they are far better talent evaluators and they use their tools better. They’ve resurrected jerrick McKinnon career because they know how to use his skill set, kelce is just an all timer, and they found specific types of athletes to maximize their scheme.

We don’t scout talent nearly as well…on offense…we’ve done decent at it on defense…in terms of finding cheap help, and we don’t maximize what we have as well…

…and Mahomes is just better than Rodgers at this point in their careers. More coachable too.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 12:32

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 11:24

Mahomes contract is $5M less than Rodgers cap hit and they surrounded him with significantly better talent.

That’s not really about money though. That’s just that they are far better talent evaluators and they use their tools better. They’ve resurrected jerrick McKinnon career because they know how to use his skill set, kelce is just an all timer, and they found specific types of athletes to maximize their scheme.

We don’t scout talent nearly as well…on offense…we’ve done decent at it on defense…in terms of finding cheap help, and we don’t maximize what we have as well…

…and Mahomes is just better than Rodgers at this point in their careers. More coachable too.

I agree, that was my point. Money invested in your QB doesn’t make it impossible to have good supporting talent.

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 12:04

I honestly can't see Rodgers running the Chiefs scheme. He's pretty rigid in what he wants (i.e. he dislikes motion, prefers throwing toward the sidelines, doesn't like short slants, no wildcat, etc.)

And am I the only one who remembers how frustrated we all got with Z's poor run defense? Did I just imagine him giving up the edge every playoff game? He was a great pass rusher, but he was not a great OLB overall.

whaaaa? Rodgers went from trying to run Mikes out dated iso verts with only one viable receiver threat to MVP in Lafleurs more ball control, short WCO in Lafleurs rookie HC season, he could surely adapt to what Andy Reid would dial up, it wasn't so much that Rodgers didn't like everything you mentioned, rather he didn't like the % of it that Lafleur was calling, there is a difference, a complaint of his with McCarthy is that Mike hardly ever called any of it, Mike practically refused to run the ball, these where complaints of Rodgers he voiced to the media in 2018, I don't think it's accurate to pigeon hole Rodgers as a one scheme QB, I think it has to do with how long we used a one dimensional scheme under McCarthy, with almost zero talent at TE, and only a couple season with a obvious Featured RB in Lacy, I think it's given a distorted impression of the ability of Rodgers to play any scheme, and of course at his age now the run and shot is out of the range of his depleting skills, but hell he could put on Mahomes cleats and ya wouldn't know the difference, he'd be lighting it up

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 12:04

And am I the only one who remembers how frustrated we all got with Z's poor run defense? Did I just imagine him giving up the edge every playoff game? He was a great pass rusher, but he was not a great OLB overall.

You're not the only one. I'm not sure if he was "poor" in run defense so much as he was just unwilling to play disciplined against the run because he was focused on getting after the ball, but I guess it's a distinction without a difference.

With that said, would have *loved* to see a year of him, Gary, Preston, and Enagbare as the EDGE rotation, using Z almost strictly in pass-rush situations.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/ ... t-in-2022/ - 16 platers who regressed

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/ ... 22-season/ - 15 players who improved

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 12:49

Drj820 wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 12:32

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 11:24

Mahomes contract is $5M less than Rodgers cap hit and they surrounded him with significantly better talent.

That’s not really about money though. That’s just that they are far better talent evaluators and they use their tools better. They’ve resurrected jerrick McKinnon career because they know how to use his skill set, kelce is just an all timer, and they found specific types of athletes to maximize their scheme.

We don’t scout talent nearly as well…on offense…we’ve done decent at it on defense…in terms of finding cheap help, and we don’t maximize what we have as well…

…and Mahomes is just better than Rodgers at this point in their careers. More coachable too.

I agree, that was my point. Money invested in your QB doesn’t make it impossible to have good supporting talent.

The problem is Love is the only 1st round offensive player since sherrod for the packers.

Team failed so often on drafting Def that it overutilised capital for that side of the ball.

The teams roster issues are due to poor management and defensive performance not because of Rodgers contract.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 19:20

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/ ... t-in-2022/ - 16 platers who regressed

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/ ... 22-season/ - 15 players who improved

Wow, nice job Rich:

Special teams

The special teams also deserve a shoutout. Rich Bisaccia helped improve most players, but these five especially standout out among the players with the most special teams snaps in 2022:

Isaiah McDuffie +45.5
Josiah Deguara +34.5
Patrick Taylor +45.9
Tyler Davis +7.3
Eric Wilson +32.2

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 19:20

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/ ... t-in-2022/ - 16 platers who regressed

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/lists/ ... 22-season/ - 15 players who improved

Thanks. There are so many key players that regressed this year that I have to wonder what locker room or personal dynamics were involved. MLF hinted that there were a number of players with personal issues this year. But when both of the starting Safeties, key ILB, and a starting CB and DLinemen digress, that is too much to withstand. Thing is, if personal issues and injuries were such a negative impact this year, perhaps the D will be demonstrably better in 2023 without those same issues. More consistently average anyhow. Lol.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/345 ... yers-teams

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2022 ... e-rankings
https://www.archysport.com/2023/01/pack ... all-focus/

So then, Nijman isn’t as “average” as some would make him to be. Yeah, he lost his share of pass rush attempts. But he isn’t a back Tackle.

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023 16:06

So then, Nijman isn’t as “average” as some would make him to be. Yeah, he lost his share of pass rush attempts. But he isn’t a back Tackle.

Love Yosh, but from a business standpoint, Aaron or Jordan, you got Tom looking very competent. Think Yosh is just a guy you gotta let walk. Maybe make a borderline insulting offer, see if he bites or doesn’t see better.

But unless you move Bak, you got 5 starters on the OL, and even Newman and Rhyan under contract for pennies and a draft upcoming. Just, unfortunately for Yosh, not an ideal investment right now.

BF004 wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023 17:18

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023 16:06

So then, Nijman isn’t as “average” as some would make him to be. Yeah, he lost his share of pass rush attempts. But he isn’t a back Tackle.

Love Yosh, but from a business standpoint, Aaron or Jordan, you got Tom looking very competent. Think Yosh is just a guy you gotta let walk. Maybe make a borderline insulting offer, see if he bites or doesn’t see better.

But unless you move Bak, you got 5 starters on the OL, and even Newman and Rhyan under contract for pennies and a draft upcoming. Just, unfortunately for Yosh, not an ideal investment right now.

Yosh is an RFA. He will cost around 4.5ish which is fine for a good swing tackle. He’s better than Turner ever was and we payed him 7. If he’s starting I think you can get by. The problems really are Myers and Runyan suck at run blocking. They’re both easily replaceable.

Yeah Yosh is an easy 2nd-round tender. The price is reasonable for a backup swing-tackle, especially given our need for playable T depth in light of Bakhtiari not always being available.

We got Yosh in 2019 as an UDRFA.

I am definitely under the impression he is going to be an UFA. Some loophole or something I’m missing?


But yes, if he is an RFA, no brainer then.

BF004 wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023 07:47

We got Yosh in 2019 as an UDRFA.

I am definitely under the impression he is going to be an UFA. Some loophole or something I’m missing?


But yes, if he is an RFA, no brainer then.

As I understand it, he was not active enough in 2019 to accrue a season of service.

BF004 wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023 17:18

Scott4Pack wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023 16:06

So then, Nijman isn’t as “average” as some would make him to be. Yeah, he lost his share of pass rush attempts. But he isn’t a back Tackle.

Love Yosh, but from a business standpoint, Aaron or Jordan, you got Tom looking very competent. Think Yosh is just a guy you gotta let walk. Maybe make a borderline insulting offer, see if he bites or doesn’t see better.

But unless you move Bak, you got 5 starters on the OL, and even Newman and Rhyan under contract for pennies and a draft upcoming. Just, unfortunately for Yosh, not an ideal investment right now.

I don't know if we'd want Yosh at LT. That position is an entirely different animal than R.

BF004 wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023 07:47

We got Yosh in 2019 as an UDRFA.

I am definitely under the impression he is going to be an UFA. Some loophole or something I’m missing?


But yes, if he is an RFA, no brainer then.

A lot of conflicting reports on this one. OTC has RFA, Spotrac has UFA, and then articles on his resigning go either way.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 11:24

Mahomes contract is $5M less than Rodgers cap hit and they surrounded him with significantly better talent.

Significantly better talent? You mean McKinnon, the journeyman RB? Smith-Schuster, the injury-prone and washed up Steeler reject? MVS, the trash juice WR you couldn't wait to dump on every week while he was a Packer?

The difference is prime Mahomes is doing exactly what Rodgers did for most of his career - carry the offense. Rodgers is doing the opposite, he's actually hindering the offense at this point.

APB wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023 08:22

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2023 11:24

Mahomes contract is $5M less than Rodgers cap hit and they surrounded him with significantly better talent.

Significantly better talent? You mean McKinnon, the journeyman RB? Smith-Schuster, the injury-prone and washed up Steeler reject? MVS, the trash juice WR you couldn't wait to dump on every week while he was a Packer?

The difference is prime Mahomes is doing exactly what Rodgers did for most of his career - carry the offense. Rodgers is doing the opposite, he's actually hindering the offense at this point.

put Rodgers in Purdy's shoes in SF and he would have !@#$ pounded the Seahawks just like Purdy did, talent actually does make a QB look and do better,

the problems we had to start the season on offense never consistently righted itself all season, and it made Rodgers look and play a lot worse then he actually is.
take our RB's for instance, between Dillon and Jones they gained about 600 yrds after first contact, people can brag about our OL, bring any stats they want, whats obvious is that our OL is over rated, and Rodgers was shell shocked, and spent as much time wonder where the rushers would be coming from, and which direction to scramble as he did reading route progressions down field, people wonder why he was letting it go to his #1 read, well ya don't need a rocket engineer degree to figure that out now do ya.

I get it, everyone wants change, change is simply more exciting then status quo, but that doesn't always equate to improvement, in this case our only assurance is the savings of 19 mil. chump change in todays NFL.