Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 15 Mar 2024 21:01
Judging by the contracts I’m pretty sure we offered the most. Cash is king.
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Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 16 Mar 2024 08:52
Imagine that, two players sign lucrative contracts and are glad the team has a up and comer at QB, what player wouldn't look at that as a bonus
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 16 Mar 2024 09:03
However, most of the Gory Years took place before the advent of "true" free agency, so what players thought about Green Bay wouldn't have had too much effect.Scott4Pack wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 17:40Doesn't surprise me that these two came here BECAUSE of Love (at least in part).
Even two years ago, the Packers could've easily slipped into mediocrity. Guty didn't let that happen. He deserves a lot of credit for that.
For those not old enough to remember, before Favre/White/Holmgren, the Packers played a LOT of bad football. The story had it that no free agents wanted to come to GB because of the badness and small town atmosphere. But once Ron Wolf started to turn things around, that all changed.
Isn't it interesting that last September, some wanted Guty and MLF fired. (Some still can't wait for Murphy to retire.) Not any more.
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 17 Mar 2024 08:36
... until you run out of guys to field your ST units.
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I will say, while I am mostly opposed to drafting DL, Kris Jenkins is the one highly-ranked DT prospect could make sense for us. Clark and Slaton are our primary guys at 1-tech and we will likely lose one of them; Jenkins is an absolute immovable object against the run and would make up for the hit we take at that position.
3-techs like Newton, Murphy, Fiske... I don't think they should even be on our 'board.
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 17 Mar 2024 09:12
Don’t really love many of the DT’s, short arms, weird sizes, poor athleticism, at the top. So don’t like any of them specifically. But wouldn’t be surprised if they target DL to perhaps give them the opportunity to let Clark walk.
I get he’s still young in name only, but he had a ton of miles and just never had consistently made that impact we need from a guy who is going to be getting near top of the market money.
I get he’s still young in name only, but he had a ton of miles and just never had consistently made that impact we need from a guy who is going to be getting near top of the market money.
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 17 Mar 2024 20:01
That's the thing about Clark. He shows speed and strength and savvy to do amazing things. Yet, we want more splash plays from him. Is he living up to the contract and whatever hype he might get? I'm not sure. But I do think he's really good.BF004 wrote: ↑17 Mar 2024 09:12Don’t really love many of the DT’s, short arms, weird sizes, poor athleticism, at the top. So don’t like any of them specifically. But wouldn’t be surprised if they target DL to perhaps give them the opportunity to let Clark walk.
I get he’s still young in name only, but he had a ton of miles and just never had consistently made that impact we need from a guy who is going to be getting near top of the market money.
Maybe this new D scheme is going to bring out some things that we've wanted to see from him. He should get opportunity to play more aggressively and that's gonna be good for him and the Pack.
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 17 Mar 2024 21:21
Clark was playing very well this past season.
But do we really want to pay Elite DT money to a DT who is good-not-great?
I think I rather keep Slaton at a fraction of the price add a run-stout 1-tech (not difficult to come by in a given offseason) exercise the fifth-year option on Wyatt and do the same thing at DL as we did at WR this past year: diversity of skills; you have every type of DT you need at any given time.
But do we really want to pay Elite DT money to a DT who is good-not-great?
I think I rather keep Slaton at a fraction of the price add a run-stout 1-tech (not difficult to come by in a given offseason) exercise the fifth-year option on Wyatt and do the same thing at DL as we did at WR this past year: diversity of skills; you have every type of DT you need at any given time.
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 17 Mar 2024 21:27
I'm pretty sure that when looking at pressures and TFL Clark was one of the most disruptive interior defenders in the game this year. I get saying "I'm not sure we have elite DT on a 3rd contract" money for him, but I do think he is a true difference maker in the top 5-8 interior DL in the league--just not the top 2-3
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 17 Mar 2024 22:27
I’m not even sure Kenny is top 10 IDL. He’s a good player but not a great one. He just had his best statistical season but we’ve been seeing a lot of poor run defense out of him the past few seasons IMO.
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 18 Mar 2024 05:50
While Walker played admirably starting at left tackle I would still be interested in getting an upgrade over him in the draft.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 12:22Finally, Luke Tenuta or Jones might be the depth at guard and OT that the Packers need. If necessary either Jenkins or Tom can back up center. That does not mean that the Packers should not draft an Olineman, IMO they should but not in the first 3 rounds.
According to PFF, you're right that Clark was ranked sixth among interior defenders in total pressures last season, although only tied for 27th in win percentage among that group. PFR had him ranked tied for 31st in tackles for loss.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑17 Mar 2024 21:27I'm pretty sure that when looking at pressures and TFL Clark was one of the most disruptive interior defenders in the game this year.
While that statement is true there's no way around of that happening, even to the best GMs in the league.Madcity_matt wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 11:29Generally speaking, if you're drafting a guy to be a starter week 1 you've messed up prior to that by putting yourself in that position.
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 18 Mar 2024 11:23
Clark seems to go hot and cold. The games he's hot, he's insane. May get a few sacks and like 10 pressures. But then he has games he disappears and that could be by a crappy O-line. He's a bit of a mystery to me. I still think he's very good, but I can't explain the hot/cold. It's not just about who else is around him.
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 18 Mar 2024 12:05
Clark is absolutely a player I would consider giving a 3rd contract to.
But I do fear his market will be top IDL level and he sounds like the type to take the $$.
I don't like paying premium contracts to 3rd contract guys. The risk is just so much higher and I am gun shy based on our last large 3rd contract that we got zero value for.
But I do fear his market will be top IDL level and he sounds like the type to take the $$.
I don't like paying premium contracts to 3rd contract guys. The risk is just so much higher and I am gun shy based on our last large 3rd contract that we got zero value for.
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 18 Mar 2024 14:00
go pak go wrote: ↑18 Mar 2024 12:05Clark is absolutely a player I would consider giving a 3rd contract to.
But I do fear his market will be top IDL level and he sounds like the type to take the $$.
I don't like paying premium contracts to 3rd contract guys. The risk is just so much higher and I am gun shy based on our last large 3rd contract that we got zero value for.
DT is the most endurance and stamina robbing position in football, most DT that are used a lot take plays off, can't be helped, and Clark is a highly used a very productive DT, guys like Clark are few and far between, to hard to replace to not try and extend a guy like Clark, where gonna owe him 14 mil. dead cap in 2025 anyway, if healthy just do another 3 year contract and absorb that 14 mil into it.
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 19 Mar 2024 03:47
Well then this scheme and roster should be good for Clark. Let him play 50% of the snaps and Slayton 40%. The remaining 10% will be 3rd and very long and the Packers can put Brooks or Van Ness or even Gary inside.Yoop wrote: ↑18 Mar 2024 14:00go pak go wrote: ↑18 Mar 2024 12:05Clark is absolutely a player I would consider giving a 3rd contract to.
But I do fear his market will be top IDL level and he sounds like the type to take the $$.
I don't like paying premium contracts to 3rd contract guys. The risk is just so much higher and I am gun shy based on our last large 3rd contract that we got zero value for.
DT is the most endurance and stamina robbing position in football, most DT that are used a lot take plays off, can't be helped, and Clark is a highly used a very productive DT, guys like Clark are few and far between, to hard to replace to not try and extend a guy like Clark, where gonna owe him 14 mil. dead cap in 2025 anyway, if healthy just do another 3 year contract and absorb that 14 mil into it.
I agree, the Packers have a 4 year window before all the young guys are getting paid and some of them become cap casualties. Letting Clark walk is insanity
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 19 Mar 2024 08:08
This is where I am at. Absolutely consider it, but I bet he has a better market outside of Green Bay and I am not paying a premium with as much wear and tear has he has accumulated over his career.go pak go wrote: ↑18 Mar 2024 12:05Clark is absolutely a player I would consider giving a 3rd contract to.
But I do fear his market will be top IDL level and he sounds like the type to take the $$.
I don't like paying premium contracts to 3rd contract guys. The risk is just so much higher and I am gun shy based on our last large 3rd contract that we got zero value for.
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 19 Mar 2024 08:21
Well, either Kenny will have us by the ba*** or we will be free to move on...based on whether we have a replacement ready or not.
Not sure Slayton, Wyatt, etc are becoming that guy or not. Maybe they are. Gotta think Wyatt was thought of as a potential replacement when we took him in the first round. We dont really need an elite NT, we just need someone that is Elite on the DL. Especially if we move to a 4-3.
Kinda crazy how even with Clark the DL seems to be a perennial need. That kind of takes away from his "greatness" for me.
I wouldnt be surprised if our first pick goes to DL.
Not sure Slayton, Wyatt, etc are becoming that guy or not. Maybe they are. Gotta think Wyatt was thought of as a potential replacement when we took him in the first round. We dont really need an elite NT, we just need someone that is Elite on the DL. Especially if we move to a 4-3.
Kinda crazy how even with Clark the DL seems to be a perennial need. That kind of takes away from his "greatness" for me.
I wouldnt be surprised if our first pick goes to DL.
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 19 Mar 2024 08:42
I have a feeling that Karl Brooks is gonna be a stud and a fixture on the DL for a long time.
Slaton gives us a nice run-stopping DT and Wyatt is a pretty good pass-rusher inside. Wooden is more in the mold of Wyatt.
Just add another guy who stops the run well, and you have everything you need from your DL, even if Clark leaves.
Slaton gives us a nice run-stopping DT and Wyatt is a pretty good pass-rusher inside. Wooden is more in the mold of Wyatt.
Just add another guy who stops the run well, and you have everything you need from your DL, even if Clark leaves.
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 20 Mar 2024 09:04
Hey guys, BIG news!!! Robert Rochell has been re-signed. 
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Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 21 Mar 2024 03:51
I would definitely be fine with the Packers re-signing Clark as long as they don't pay him elite money for the position. While he's a good player he's not a dominant one justifying being paid like one.Yoop wrote: ↑18 Mar 2024 14:00DT is the most endurance and stamina robbing position in football, most DT that are used a lot take plays off, can't be helped, and Clark is a highly used a very productive DT, guys like Clark are few and far between, to hard to replace to not try and extend a guy like Clark, where gonna owe him 14 mil. dead cap in 2025 anyway, if healthy just do another 3 year contract and absorb that 14 mil into it.
Re: Green Bay Packers' News - 2024
Posted: 23 Mar 2024 11:32
Apparently Watson's dad said the specialist determined the root cause of Christian's hamstring issues and they will work on it all off-season