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His cap hit is the result of the renegotiations, not how much he is paid. I don't think he's overpaid, but I do think his contract will be altered/extended this offseason to change his cap number while continuing to compensate him well.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑07 Feb 2024 19:28Two things can be true at once. Aaron Jones can be a great player but still overpaid. Aaron Jones cap hit next season is more than CMC by almost $3.5M. Only 5 RBs in the league make more than $10M.
In any given year for a team, yes, but for comparing players it doesn't make sense.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑07 Feb 2024 21:30Maybe I’m crazy. I think cap hit is the only thing that matters.
Yes, that is crazy.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑07 Feb 2024 21:30Maybe I’m crazy. I think cap hit is the only thing that matters.
All teams backload contracts and with cap hit is isn't just about the 1 player. It's about multiple years and multiple contract and the plan to structure them all to fit under the cap. It doesn't make any of it good or bad. When comparing player to player, Average and guaranteed money are about all that really matter for that comparison.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024 06:30I would say the year we have him for 1M is great value and the 7M is awful. That’s just bad structuring, as is what o feel the case is with Jones deal.
It's the price to pay of going all in on the salary cap from 2020 to 2022. We are now paying the price of a lot of players with ugly contracts.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024 06:30I would say the year we have him for 1M is great value and the 7M is awful. That’s just bad structuring, as is what o feel the case is with Jones deal.
Yes, dumping Campbell is probable.
No the change really happened with the new CBA in 2011. You used to be able to push some cap forward pre 2010 but it was limited severely. Like you could only push forward like 10% of the overall cap or something.Yoop wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024 07:14It was so much simpler when teams where not allowed to push contract money into future seasons, and where forced to work with cap cash per season.
I blame Carmen Policy, I think he's the first one to do this with Steve Young when they had both Young and Montana, back early to mid 90's, he found a loop hole, exploited it, and that started this snow ball affect of using what amounts to a credit card approach to team building.
now to not do it, well impossible to compete, teams are forced to pro rate contracts or lose players to teams that will.
I think the league allows it so to increase parity, balance.
Yeah, Campbell is cut after June 1.go pak go wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024 08:38It's the price to pay of going all in on the salary cap from 2020 to 2022. We are now paying the price of a lot of players with ugly contracts.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024 06:30I would say the year we have him for 1M is great value and the 7M is awful. That’s just bad structuring, as is what o feel the case is with Jones deal.
Bak
Clark
Campbell (he is an easier decision)
Preston
Jones
My bet is Jones is extended. Bak is reworked completely. Campbell is cut. Clark and Preston are bit tougher to do things. Maybe extend Clark and ride Preston's contract as is.
thanks for clarity, Basically my memories are a season in the 90's when we lost to the Niners, and we found out they where over the cap, the explanation was that they pushed money in to future seasons, thats about all I remember, we felt it was unfair advantage.go pak go wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024 09:31No the change really happened with the new CBA in 2011. You used to be able to push some cap forward pre 2010 but it was limited severely. Like you could only push forward like 10% of the overall cap or something.Yoop wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024 07:14It was so much simpler when teams where not allowed to push contract money into future seasons, and where forced to work with cap cash per season.
I blame Carmen Policy, I think he's the first one to do this with Steve Young when they had both Young and Montana, back early to mid 90's, he found a loop hole, exploited it, and that started this snow ball affect of using what amounts to a credit card approach to team building.
now to not do it, well impossible to compete, teams are forced to pro rate contracts or lose players to teams that will.
I think the league allows it so to increase parity, balance.
Now there is unlimited cap rollover so there is really no incentive on using current year cap space. You then remove the "pay as you play" and incentive to front load contracts like we used to do. It is actually numerically stupid to cap front-load a contract now unless you were in a Bears team situation.
With the rapid rise in overall cap year over year and ability to rollover unlimited cap...teams are incentivized to push dollars into the future. I would like to see it back to pre 2011 CBA rules but this would result in lower signing bonus contracts and less money to players immediately which they obviously wouldnt' like.
But it would also end the awkward last two years on a deal where a player is just too expensive on the cap and the team has to cut the player as a result prematurely.
You could absolutely do that in the 90's and 2000's but the ability was incredibly limited. Nothing like we are seeing now.Yoop wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024 10:13thanks for clarity, Basically my memories are a season in the 90's when we lost to the Niners, and we found out they where over the cap, the explanation was that they pushed money in to future seasons, thats about all I remember, we felt it was unfair advantage.go pak go wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024 09:31No the change really happened with the new CBA in 2011. You used to be able to push some cap forward pre 2010 but it was limited severely. Like you could only push forward like 10% of the overall cap or something.Yoop wrote: ↑08 Feb 2024 07:14It was so much simpler when teams where not allowed to push contract money into future seasons, and where forced to work with cap cash per season.
I blame Carmen Policy, I think he's the first one to do this with Steve Young when they had both Young and Montana, back early to mid 90's, he found a loop hole, exploited it, and that started this snow ball affect of using what amounts to a credit card approach to team building.
now to not do it, well impossible to compete, teams are forced to pro rate contracts or lose players to teams that will.
I think the league allows it so to increase parity, balance.
Now there is unlimited cap rollover so there is really no incentive on using current year cap space. You then remove the "pay as you play" and incentive to front load contracts like we used to do. It is actually numerically stupid to cap front-load a contract now unless you were in a Bears team situation.
With the rapid rise in overall cap year over year and ability to rollover unlimited cap...teams are incentivized to push dollars into the future. I would like to see it back to pre 2011 CBA rules but this would result in lower signing bonus contracts and less money to players immediately which they obviously wouldnt' like.
But it would also end the awkward last two years on a deal where a player is just too expensive on the cap and the team has to cut the player as a result prematurely.
to me whats going on now is like using a credit card, the only penalty is the shelf live of the player