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When it doesn't work out it will be because they didn't give the quarterback 3-4 elite WRs after letting Boyd walk and not replacing him. Because the defense is just double teaming Chase and Higgins. Never mind that it would leave the Bengals 9 offensive players vs the opposing defense's 7 players...double team is always the answer why the stars don't produce.
go pak go wrote: ↑17 Mar 2025 12:47When it doesn't work out it will be because they didn't give the quarterback 3-4 elite WRs after letting Boyd walk and not replacing him. Because the defense is just double teaming Chase and Higgins. Never mind that it would leave the Bengals 9 offensive players vs the opposing defense's 7 players...double team is always the answer why the stars don't produce.
crazy money, but Cinnci realizes if ya have a young QB, great receivers make the transition easier, who's Boyd??? I haven't followed every teams UFA Yoop wrote: ↑17 Mar 2025 15:08go pak go wrote: ↑17 Mar 2025 12:47When it doesn't work out it will be because they didn't give the quarterback 3-4 elite WRs after letting Boyd walk and not replacing him. Because the defense is just double teaming Chase and Higgins. Never mind that it would leave the Bengals 9 offensive players vs the opposing defense's 7 players...double team is always the answer why the stars don't produce.
Favre, with multiple skill position players = owl
Rodgers, with multiple skill position players = owl
as soon as Teddy T. arrived he went after receivers and used a 2nd or 3rd rounder on one almost every draft till 2015, that process works.
the point is to have too many receiver options than a defense can defend, we had Adams and a bunch of bench jumpers, no TE, it's laugh out loud funny to hear you guys defend that BS, or think I'am foolish for pointing it out.
also every situation has it's own complexities, I probably would never pay what Chase got, never said ya need the two best in the league, or that both have to be wide outs, a receiving TE and a Adams would have been better than Tae, and .... what MVS?
thing is these numbers don't mean a thing, unless the performances produce results, and they didn't score points or keep the chains moving. and we lost against tough defenses, receivers dropped passes, and Love too often was out of sync.APB wrote: ↑17 Mar 2025 19:04Yoop wrote: ↑17 Mar 2025 15:08go pak go wrote: ↑17 Mar 2025 12:47
When it doesn't work out it will be because they didn't give the quarterback 3-4 elite WRs after letting Boyd walk and not replacing him. Because the defense is just double teaming Chase and Higgins. Never mind that it would leave the Bengals 9 offensive players vs the opposing defense's 7 players...double team is always the answer why the stars don't produce.
Favre, with multiple skill position players = owl
Rodgers, with multiple skill position players = owl
as soon as Teddy T. arrived he went after receivers and used a 2nd or 3rd rounder on one almost every draft till 2015, that process works.
the point is to have too many receiver options than a defense can defend, we had Adams and a bunch of bench jumpers, no TE, it's laugh out loud funny to hear you guys defend that BS, or think I'am foolish for pointing it out.
also every situation has it's own complexities, I probably would never pay what Chase got, never said ya need the two best in the league, or that both have to be wide outs, a receiving TE and a Adams would have been better than Tae, and .... what MVS?
Remind me, again, who were the 2024 NFL playoff participants?Yoop wrote: thing is these numbers don't mean a thing, unless the performances produce results,
Cinnci has a lot of weak positions, again ya don't need the highest prices receivers in the league, ya just need more than one good one, which has always been my point.
Ted's genius was finding the Day 2 guys who weren't that popular by the Industrial Draft complex. Outside of Cobb, the WRs he took were largely unknown and my gawd did he slay it often. Even Terrance Murphy had a bright future.Yoop wrote: ↑18 Mar 2025 07:14
I'am bringing this wiki because it shows what Ted did in 2005, and just how well he built that SB winning team, just awesome, and a great little read for all of us to remember just how great he was in his early years, also Ted drafted more WR's than any other position, by a lot, Teddy T new (at least way back then) that without receivers the QB is hobbled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Thompson
Ah yes, the playoffs.
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off points def points.
Bengals 472 434
Packers 460 338
the thing is there are a lot of very good receivers drafted after round one, and what makes those receivers great is a guy like Rodgers, who can build chemistry if the receiver simply runs precise routes, the precise routes takes the guess work out of how far to lead them.go pak go wrote: ↑18 Mar 2025 09:22Ted's genius was finding the Day 2 guys who weren't that popular by the Industrial Draft complex. Outside of Cobb, the WRs he took were largely unknown and my gawd did he slay it often. Even Terrance Murphy had a bright future.Yoop wrote: ↑18 Mar 2025 07:14
I'am bringing this wiki because it shows what Ted did in 2005, and just how well he built that SB winning team, just awesome, and a great little read for all of us to remember just how great he was in his early years, also Ted drafted more WR's than any other position, by a lot, Teddy T new (at least way back then) that without receivers the QB is hobbled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Thompson
I can't think of a guy who frankly batted a 1000 on Day 2 positional picks his entire career. Absolutely wild. Not one bust besides Murphy who had a freak injury.
Yoop wrote: ↑18 Mar 2025 07:14Cinnci has a lot of weak positions, again ya don't need the highest prices receivers in the league, ya just need more than one good one, which has always been my point.
I'am bringing this wiki because it shows what Ted did in 2005, and just how well he built that SB winning team, just awesome, and a great little read for all of us to remember just how great he was in his early years, also Ted drafted more WR's than any other position, by a lot, Teddy T new (at least way back then) that without receivers the QB is hobbled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Thompson
That's the whole point!Raptorman wrote:Ah yes, the playoffs.
off points def points.
Bengals 472 434
Packers 460 338
I wonder where that difference of two extra wins the Packers had came from? Not the offense.
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑18 Mar 2025 10:16TT was a god at finding round 2 WRs. To get Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, and Adams is incredible. For all his flaws drafting defensive players and lack of using FA he nailed OL and WR like no other.
That's pass interference and still an automatic first down. I do think they would have to define the difference effectively, but in your scenario, the intent to interfere should make it clear PI instead of illegal contact or holding.
I am talking without the ball in the air so it wouldn't be PI.NCF wrote: ↑19 Mar 2025 11:15That's pass interference and still an automatic first down. I do think they would have to define the difference effectively, but in your scenario, the intent to interfere should make it clear PI instead of illegal contact or holding.
Good point. I guess what I am asking for is leeway for officials to use their discretion and call that PI instead of illegal contact. Illegal contact should be minor hand checking re-routing away from the play, etc. Infractions that impact where a ball might have been thrown should be PI.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑19 Mar 2025 11:25I am talking without the ball in the air so it wouldn't be PI.
For example, if the receiver stems to the the inside, the CB flips hips inside, and the receiver releases outside. The CB is in a bad spot, so they reach and just pull the receiver down. Ball hasn't been thrown yet.
Or you get a "survive the down" scenario with a linebacker on Justin Jefferson in a 3rd/4th and long situation. Have the LB mug him and play the 3rd/4th and not as long situation.
I wonder how it would look if holding and illegal contact were separated with the latter not resulting in an automatic first down and the former resulting in an automatic first down.NCF wrote: ↑19 Mar 2025 12:10Good point. I guess what I am asking for is leeway for officials to use their discretion and call that PI instead of illegal contact. Illegal contact should be minor hand checking re-routing away from the play, etc. Infractions that impact where a ball might have been thrown should be PI.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑19 Mar 2025 11:25I am talking without the ball in the air so it wouldn't be PI.
For example, if the receiver stems to the the inside, the CB flips hips inside, and the receiver releases outside. The CB is in a bad spot, so they reach and just pull the receiver down. Ball hasn't been thrown yet.
Or you get a "survive the down" scenario with a linebacker on Justin Jefferson in a 3rd/4th and long situation. Have the LB mug him and play the 3rd/4th and not as long situation.