Packers Huddle

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 11:38

APB wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 08:35

QBs leading their team to the SB on their rookie contract is rare.

Really? Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Jared Goff. I stopped looking them up after Goff.

Was Namath's contract a rookie contract? 1968 season.

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 11:38

APB wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 08:35

QBs leading their team to the SB on their rookie contract is rare.

Really? Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Jared Goff. I stopped looking them up after Goff.

you stopped because that's probably the end of the list , so out of what 60 years you come up with about 8 QB's to win a SB on a rookie deal, seems pretty rare to me.

it takes a team to win the big games, most rookie QB's lack what those SB winners have, Franny Tarkington can surely relate to that, probably best to not be able to win one.

Love has a young offense with a bunch of skill position talent, and a revamped defense that seem highly motivated, basically the formula we had going the last time we won the owl

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 11:49

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 11:38

APB wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 08:35

QBs leading their team to the SB on their rookie contract is rare.

Really? Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Jared Goff. I stopped looking them up after Goff.

Was Namath's contract a rookie contract? 1968 season.

nope only got the richest 3 year deal ever in 1965



On January 2, 1965, Joe Namath rocked the football world by signing a 3 year contract with the New York Jets for a reported $427,000 contract, which back then was the most lucrative contract in the history of pro football.

https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2020/ ... ler-murray

Warner was not on his Rookie contract, he was on his 3rd contract and third team.

Delhomme was on this 2nd team and like 5th contract.

Yoop wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 11:50

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 11:38

APB wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 08:35

QBs leading their team to the SB on their rookie contract is rare.

Really? Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Jared Goff. I stopped looking them up after Goff.

you stopped because that's probably the end of the list , so out of what 60 years you come up with about 8 QB's to win a SB on a rookie deal, seems pretty rare to me.

it takes a team to win the big games, most rookie QB's lack what those SB winners have, Franny Tarkington can surely relate to that, probably best to not be able to win one.

Love has a young offense with a bunch of skill position talent, and a revamped defense that seem highly motivated, basically the formula we had going the last time we won the owl

Mahomes.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 12:03

Warner was not on his Rookie contract, he was on his 3rd contract and third team.

Delhomme was on this 2nd team and like 5th contract.

Care to list the other NFL teams he (Warner) was on the roster for when the season began?

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 12:13

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 12:03

Warner was not on his Rookie contract, he was on his 3rd contract and third team.

Delhomme was on this 2nd team and like 5th contract.

Care to list the other NFL teams he (Warner) was on the roster for when the season began?

Warner signed 2 contracts before his contract with the Rams where he won a Superbowl, Packers in a 2 year contract and Rams in a 1 year contract.

Delhomme was a journeyman too.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 12:30

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 12:13

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 12:03

Warner was not on his Rookie contract, he was on his 3rd contract and third team.

Delhomme was on this 2nd team and like 5th contract.

Care to list the other NFL teams he (Warner) was on the roster for when the season began?

Warner signed 2 contracts before his contract with the Rams where he won a Superbowl, Packers in a 2 year contract and Rams in a 1 year contract.

And yet, he wasn't on any roster for those contracts. If not on the roster, you don't get paid.

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 12:38

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 12:30

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 12:13

Care to list the other NFL teams he (Warner) was on the roster for when the season began?

Warner signed 2 contracts before his contract with the Rams where he won a Superbowl, Packers in a 2 year contract and Rams in a 1 year contract.

And yet, he wasn't on any roster for those contracts. If not on the roster, you don't get paid.

Ok, let me amend APBs statement to QB on a rookie contract where they signed the contract and were not cut before the season were actually on the opening day roster and got paid some amount of their contract.

NCF wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2024 13:10

Where do you get $120M? I see $4.2M for 2024 and then a 5th-year option of $16M. Works out to more like $22.2M over 6 years. Your point stands, but still huge money for a good, not great OT.

Oh I didn't even think about the 5th year option. I think I just threw out an estimate for the final year of a rookie contract. Not my normal detail post. Like a throwaway number to estimate what's up.

Yoop wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 11:59

RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 11:49

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 11:38

Really? Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Jared Goff. I stopped looking them up after Goff.

Was Namath's contract a rookie contract? 1968 season.

nope only got the richest 3 year deal ever in 1965



On January 2, 1965, Joe Namath rocked the football world by signing a 3 year contract with the New York Jets for a reported $427,000 contract, which back then was the most lucrative contract in the history of pro football.

https://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2020/ ... ler-murray

Super Joe! JETS #12

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 11:38

APB wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 08:35

QBs leading their team to the SB on their rookie contract is rare.

Really? Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Jared Goff. I stopped looking them up after Goff.

Yeah, really.

You were able to reel off a handful of QBs out of roughly 60 Super Bowls - 120ish starting QBs, mind you - where the QB was on his rookie contract.

The 2020 class has two Super Bowls under their belt already. Two, not one, as you incorrectly claimed.

Anyway, I'd say that qualifies as about right albeit rare. I stand by my statement.

APB wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 18:47

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 11:38

APB wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 08:35

QBs leading their team to the SB on their rookie contract is rare.

Really? Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Jared Goff. I stopped looking them up after Goff.

Yeah, really.

You were able to reel off a handful of QBs out of roughly 60 Super Bowls - 120ish starting QBs, mind you - where the QB was on his rookie contract.

The 2020 class has two Super Bowls under their belt already. Two, not one, as you incorrectly claimed.

Anyway, I'd say that qualifies as about right albeit rare. I stand by my statement.

It's also a bit of an irrelevant conversation prior to the rookie contract structure which is claimed to be the reason for rookie QB success (more resources to spend on the team, less on the QB). Top draft picks used to have near top of market contracts. So take everything before 2011 out.

It's very rare. The "get your QB on a rookie deal timeline" usually equates to/only applies to "get a home run QB pick" and if that were easy everyone would have one. Having a great QB is the key thing. Having a great QB below market rate is better. Having a QB on a rookie contract has some benefits but comes at the cost of an inexperienced QB. It's mostly future HoFers and All Pros who do anything on their rookie deals and they typically keep doing things on high market deals.

By my count, there are 65 different starting Super Bowl QB's. 33 of them, I may be off one or two, started the Super Bowl within the first three years after being drafted.

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 22:02

By my count, there are 65 different starting Super Bowl QB's. 33 of them, I may be off one or two, started the Super Bowl within the first three years after being drafted.

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Ben Roethlisberger | Pittsburgh Steelers
Bob Griese | Miami Dolphins
Boomer Esiason | Cincinnati Bengals
Cam Newton | Carolina Panthers
Chris Chandler | Atlanta Falcons
Colin Kaepernick | San Francisco 49ers
Dan Marino | Miami Dolphins
David Woodley | Miami Dolphins
Drew Bledsoe
Eli Manning | New York Giants
Jalen Hurts | Philadelphia Eagles
Jared Goff | Los Angeles Rams
Jeff Hostetler | New York Giants
Jim McMahon | Chicago Bears
Joe Burrow | Cincinnati Bengals
Joe Flacco | Baltimore Ravens
Joe Montana | San Francisco 49ers
Joe Namath | New York Jets
Joe Theismann | Washington Commanders
John Elway | Denver Broncos
Mark Rypien | Washington Commanders
Matt Hasselbeck | Seattle Seahawks
Neil O’Donnell | Pittsburgh Steelers
Nick Foles | Philadelphia Eagles
Patrick Mahomes | Kansas City Chiefs
Rex Grossman | Chicago Bears
Roger Staubach | Dallas Cowboys
Russell Wilson | Seattle Seahawks
Stan Humphries | San Diego Chargers
Terry Bradshaw | Pittsburgh Steelers
Tony Eason | New England Patriots
Troy Aikman | Dallas Cowboys
Vince Ferragamo | Los Angeles Rams

Your list is not good

Bob Griese was in year 5
Boomer Esiason, year 5
Chris Chandler, year 11 and on his 6th team
Drew Bledsoe, year 4
Roger Staubach was drafted in 1964 but wasn't the starter until 1971
Matt Hasselbeck, 2nd team, year 7
Stan Humphries, 2nd team, year 7

...and those are just the ones I bothered to check.

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 22:39

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 22:02

By my count, there are 65 different starting Super Bowl QB's. 33 of them, I may be off one or two, started the Super Bowl within the first three years after being drafted.

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Ben Roethlisberger | Pittsburgh Steelers
Bob Griese | Miami Dolphins
Boomer Esiason | Cincinnati Bengals
Cam Newton | Carolina Panthers
Chris Chandler | Atlanta Falcons
Colin Kaepernick | San Francisco 49ers
Dan Marino | Miami Dolphins
David Woodley | Miami Dolphins
Drew Bledsoe
Eli Manning | New York Giants
Jalen Hurts | Philadelphia Eagles
Jared Goff | Los Angeles Rams
Jeff Hostetler | New York Giants
Jim McMahon | Chicago Bears
Joe Burrow | Cincinnati Bengals
Joe Flacco | Baltimore Ravens
Joe Montana | San Francisco 49ers
Joe Namath | New York Jets
Joe Theismann | Washington Commanders
John Elway | Denver Broncos
Mark Rypien | Washington Commanders
Matt Hasselbeck | Seattle Seahawks
Neil O’Donnell | Pittsburgh Steelers
Nick Foles | Philadelphia Eagles
Patrick Mahomes | Kansas City Chiefs
Rex Grossman | Chicago Bears
Roger Staubach | Dallas Cowboys
Russell Wilson | Seattle Seahawks
Stan Humphries | San Diego Chargers
Terry Bradshaw | Pittsburgh Steelers
Tony Eason | New England Patriots
Troy Aikman | Dallas Cowboys
Vince Ferragamo | Los Angeles Rams

Your list is not good

Bob Griese was in year 5
Boomer Esiason, year 5
Chris Chandler, year 11 and on his 6th team
Drew Bledsoe, year 4
Roger Staubach was drafted in 1964 but wasn't the starter until 1971
Matt Hasselbeck, 2nd team, year 7
Stan Humphries, 2nd team, year 7

...and those are just the ones I bothered to check.

Terrible attempt!

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 22:41

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 22:39

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 22:02

By my count, there are 65 different starting Super Bowl QB's. 33 of them, I may be off one or two, started the Super Bowl within the first three years after being drafted.

Your list is not good

Bob Griese was in year 5
Boomer Esiason, year 5
Chris Chandler, year 11 and on his 6th team
Drew Bledsoe, year 4
Roger Staubach was drafted in 1964 but wasn't the starter until 1971
Matt Hasselbeck, 2nd team, year 7
Stan Humphries, 2nd team, year 7

...and those are just the ones I bothered to check.

Terrible attempt!

He'll probably argue about Staubach due to his Navy service costing him his first 5 seasons or so

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 22:50

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 22:41

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 22:39

Your list is not good

Bob Griese was in year 5
Boomer Esiason, year 5
Chris Chandler, year 11 and on his 6th team
Drew Bledsoe, year 4
Roger Staubach was drafted in 1964 but wasn't the starter until 1971
Matt Hasselbeck, 2nd team, year 7
Stan Humphries, 2nd team, year 7

...and those are just the ones I bothered to check.

Terrible attempt!

He'll probably argue about Staubach due to his Navy service costing him his first 5 seasons or so

So he was taking a pounding before he was in the league.

Crazylegs Starks wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 22:39

Raptorman wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2024 22:02

By my count, there are 65 different starting Super Bowl QB's. 33 of them, I may be off one or two, started the Super Bowl within the first three years after being drafted.

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Ben Roethlisberger | Pittsburgh Steelers
Bob Griese | Miami Dolphins
Boomer Esiason | Cincinnati Bengals
Cam Newton | Carolina Panthers
Chris Chandler | Atlanta Falcons
Colin Kaepernick | San Francisco 49ers
Dan Marino | Miami Dolphins
David Woodley | Miami Dolphins
Drew Bledsoe
Eli Manning | New York Giants
Jalen Hurts | Philadelphia Eagles
Jared Goff | Los Angeles Rams
Jeff Hostetler | New York Giants
Jim McMahon | Chicago Bears
Joe Burrow | Cincinnati Bengals
Joe Flacco | Baltimore Ravens
Joe Montana | San Francisco 49ers
Joe Namath | New York Jets
Joe Theismann | Washington Commanders
John Elway | Denver Broncos
Mark Rypien | Washington Commanders
Matt Hasselbeck | Seattle Seahawks
Neil O’Donnell | Pittsburgh Steelers
Nick Foles | Philadelphia Eagles
Patrick Mahomes | Kansas City Chiefs
Rex Grossman | Chicago Bears
Roger Staubach | Dallas Cowboys
Russell Wilson | Seattle Seahawks
Stan Humphries | San Diego Chargers
Terry Bradshaw | Pittsburgh Steelers
Tony Eason | New England Patriots
Troy Aikman | Dallas Cowboys
Vince Ferragamo | Los Angeles Rams

Your list is not good

Bob Griese was in year 5
Boomer Esiason, year 5
Chris Chandler, year 11 and on his 6th team
Drew Bledsoe, year 4
Roger Staubach was drafted in 1964 but wasn't the starter until 1971
Matt Hasselbeck, 2nd team, year 7
Stan Humphries, 2nd team, year 7

...and those are just the ones I bothered to check.

Like I said, I may be off a few. And for you young ones who only read stats, Staubach was drafted in 64 then served in the Navy until 69. See, he was an Annapolis graduate.

Griese lost to the Cowboys in year 4.
Bledsoe lost to the Packers in 97.

This wasn’t about QBs winning the Super Bowl, it was about them getting their team there on their first contract.