I don't think anyone disagrees with this. A bit of a change in statement though.
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Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Bingo. Tough thing to admit. They had a plan to boot him and at decision time now MAY fear that would be a disastrous decision. Maybe they are right. Cant blame em!bud fox wrote: ↑09 Feb 2022 17:58Fear is a normal emotion. If Gute is worried about moving on from Rodgers than he is scared of moving on from Rodgers.
Everything that has been shown is that he and the packers are scared right now from moving on from Rodgers.
This was not the case when he drafted Love. That was being young and dumb in the role.
On the other hand they could be confident and happy to move on and are just publically begging him back in order to win the PR war. In that case, I also can’t blame Em!
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No, fear has nothing to do with any of it...
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Changing of their plan does not signify fear, but an acknowledgement that their plan didn't work out. It's calculating, not emotional.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Unless Rodgers makes serious concessions and makes it very easy...keeping Rodgers is gonna cost a lot. You only take on those cost if you are afraid to take on the future without him.
It’s okay to admit.
It’s okay to admit.
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Again, no, it isn't that black and white... It doesn't have to involve emotion. They may realize that Love doesn't have it, at all, and believe they can construct a capable team while extending Rodgers at market value. That's not fear.
The black and white fear narrative is so $%@# stupid.
The black and white fear narrative is so $%@# stupid.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
we had the regular season MVP. All that mattered for getting into the dance.
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Which is not something to take for granted. I’l woohoo with ya Ringo for that!
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Even if Gutey had already decided to move on from AR this off-season, he'd have to be a blithering idiot for admitting to it at this point. In order to maintain leverage, GB has to act as if we we're totally fine with Rodgers returning if the trade offers aren't big enough. Or in case AR has an epiphany in yoga and suddenly wants an extension on actually discounted terms. Or if Love has an accident before decision time.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑09 Feb 2022 18:52Again, no, it isn't that black and white... It doesn't have to involve emotion. They may realize that Love doesn't have it, at all, and believe they can construct a capable team while extending Rodgers at market value. That's not fear.
The black and white fear narrative is so $%@# stupid.
I think some people fear AR returns and we win a SB with him, and their amateur roster building theories are proven wrong.
It's OK to be afraid you're not correct in your opinions. Totally normal emotion. 
I also think some people are secretly bored of all the winning, and would love some high draft picks out of the fun of having high draft picks. It's been so long. Every offseason other teams' fans get all the mock draft fun, no fair! It's OK, boredom and jealousy are totally normal emotions. And they're excusing this by convincing themselves that trading AR and a tanked year or two (or ten) would be an easy and surefire way to SB hunt, rather than trying to overcome AR's cap hit by drafting well and hitting on cheaper FAs.
Any scenario we win the SB is fine by me.
The only thing that would hurt really bad is seeing AR win it all someplace else.
The only thing that would hurt really bad is seeing AR win it all someplace else.
surely this isnt something you really believe
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I half believe what Salmar is saying......that their amateur roster building theories are proven wrong. The front officers should be quite "on edge" after going 2 and 3 in the playoffs the past 3 seasons with AR under center. Go Pack (Go lose the Pro Bowl in Vegas while you're at it as well).
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They more I've been digging into this, the more I have been thinking the Raiders can make a ton of sense.
I wouldn't have thought if they didn't get Josh McDaniels. I think that possibly changed a lot.
Bisaccia by all accounts was a fun players coach, but he was an unknown and a ST guy. Josh McDaniels certainly has a big reputation as an offensive genius. When McDaniels got to Denver, he did get rid of Cutler right away and got himself a new QB.
Now it is likely the Raiders have to do something at QB regardless. Derek Carr is in the last year of his contract. Zero dead cap to trade or cut him and it is at a very palatable 19-20 million salary. I don't think Carr is going to want to play a lame duck season with a new HC before hitting FA. He'll likely either want a sizable commitment, length and $$, or move early and start somewhere else. A lot of teams need a QB and that is a very team friendly contract to take on and restructure from there.
So no big reason to move on from Carr per se, just simply the Raiders have to do something and if you get a chance to get an Aaron Rodgers, which seems to likely come with Davante Adams, you might want to do it.
Probably the biggest free agent the Raiders have to resign this year is Zay Jones. The following year, Maxx Crosby and their older LB' Kwaitoski and Littleton for the most part. The honestly isn't all that much to resign in two years, all things considered. And then you toss in this:
I mean you are talking about room for Aaron and Davante, resign Jones and Crosby, then you can even add some guys like Lucas Patrick, MVS, Cobb or build up that OL more, get an RB, defense, etc.
The Raiders name has popped up before as somewhere Aaron would play.
Then if you are looking to be competitive, and you let the Broncos get Aaron Rodgers, with Patrick Mahomes in the division, then even toss in Herbert, you just aren't going to have much of a chance. So honestly just extending Derek Carr would feel like an mediocre death sentence for the next 2-3 years. Never good enough to really compete, never bad enough to find a new QB.
Raiders don't have a lot of draft capital compared to someone like the Broncos, but you gotta think some team like the Bucs, Commanders, Steelers, etc. might be more than willing to cough up a 2nd plus for Carr to have the ability to compete next year and potentially for a long time.
I wouldn't have thought if they didn't get Josh McDaniels. I think that possibly changed a lot.
Bisaccia by all accounts was a fun players coach, but he was an unknown and a ST guy. Josh McDaniels certainly has a big reputation as an offensive genius. When McDaniels got to Denver, he did get rid of Cutler right away and got himself a new QB.
Now it is likely the Raiders have to do something at QB regardless. Derek Carr is in the last year of his contract. Zero dead cap to trade or cut him and it is at a very palatable 19-20 million salary. I don't think Carr is going to want to play a lame duck season with a new HC before hitting FA. He'll likely either want a sizable commitment, length and $$, or move early and start somewhere else. A lot of teams need a QB and that is a very team friendly contract to take on and restructure from there.
So no big reason to move on from Carr per se, just simply the Raiders have to do something and if you get a chance to get an Aaron Rodgers, which seems to likely come with Davante Adams, you might want to do it.
Probably the biggest free agent the Raiders have to resign this year is Zay Jones. The following year, Maxx Crosby and their older LB' Kwaitoski and Littleton for the most part. The honestly isn't all that much to resign in two years, all things considered. And then you toss in this:
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I mean you are talking about room for Aaron and Davante, resign Jones and Crosby, then you can even add some guys like Lucas Patrick, MVS, Cobb or build up that OL more, get an RB, defense, etc.
The Raiders name has popped up before as somewhere Aaron would play.
Then if you are looking to be competitive, and you let the Broncos get Aaron Rodgers, with Patrick Mahomes in the division, then even toss in Herbert, you just aren't going to have much of a chance. So honestly just extending Derek Carr would feel like an mediocre death sentence for the next 2-3 years. Never good enough to really compete, never bad enough to find a new QB.
Raiders don't have a lot of draft capital compared to someone like the Broncos, but you gotta think some team like the Bucs, Commanders, Steelers, etc. might be more than willing to cough up a 2nd plus for Carr to have the ability to compete next year and potentially for a long time.
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The Raiders certainly could work on paper. I wouldn't mind having Carr as QB if we had to give up Aaron. There are certain cities where I can envision AR playing and Las Vegas is not one of them haha. But then again, he did have kind of a Kenny Stabler thing going with the long hair this season.BF004 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2022 08:35They more I've been digging into this, the more I have been thinking the Raiders can make a ton of sense.
I wouldn't have thought if they didn't get Josh McDaniels. I think that possibly changed a lot.
Bisaccia by all accounts was a fun players coach, but he was an unknown and a ST guy. Josh McDaniels certainly has a big reputation as an offensive genius. When McDaniels got to Denver, he did get rid of Cutler right away and got himself a new QB.
Now it is likely the Raiders have to do something at QB regardless. Derek Carr is in the last year of his contract. Zero dead cap to trade or cut him and it is at a very palatable 19-20 million salary. I don't think Carr is going to want to play a lame duck season with a new HC before hitting FA. He'll likely either want a sizable commitment, length and $$, or move early and start somewhere else. A lot of teams need a QB and that is a very team friendly contract to take on and restructure from there.
So no big reason to move on from Carr per se, just simply the Raiders have to do something and if you get a chance to get an Aaron Rodgers, which seems to likely come with Davante Adams, you might want to do it.
Probably the biggest free agent the Raiders have to resign this year is Zay Jones. The following year, Maxx Crosby and their older LB' Kwaitoski and Littleton for the most part. The honestly isn't all that much to resign in two years, all things considered. And then you toss in this:
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I mean you are talking about room for Aaron and Davante, resign Jones and Crosby, then you can even add some guys like Lucas Patrick, MVS, Cobb or build up that OL more, get an RB, defense, etc.
The Raiders name has popped up before as somewhere Aaron would play.
Then if you are looking to be competitive, and you let the Broncos get Aaron Rodgers, with Patrick Mahomes in the division, then even toss in Herbert, you just aren't going to have much of a chance. So honestly just extending Derek Carr would feel like an mediocre death sentence for the next 2-3 years. Never good enough to really compete, never bad enough to find a new QB.
Raiders don't have a lot of draft capital compared to someone like the Broncos, but you gotta think some team like the Bucs, Commanders, Steelers, etc. might be more than willing to cough up a 2nd plus for Carr to have the ability to compete next year and potentially for a long time.
