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I would not doubt week 5 being in the single digits.

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I would not doubt week 5 being in the single digits.

Thanks 23!
The other stupid move our coaches made was not activating Jonathan Ford. With this being such a tough travel week, having the 5th DL would have helped especially given the long drives of the Giants against us.

Playing continuous zone coverage against QBs like Jones - not to mention their depleted WR corps - plays right into their hands. Jones doesn't have the accuracy to consistently place the ball into tight windows nor do his 3rd-5th string WRs have the talent to pull off contested catches consistently. Yet there was Joe Barry permitting those WRs to run free and thus allowing Jones to make easy throws into comfortable windows, marching down the field on long drive after long drive.

I mean, the strength of our secondary is their ability to man-up and smother their opponent for 2-3 seconds thus giving the pass rush time to get home. What Barry is doing schematically goes against what all those high draft picks/FA acquisitions do best. What the actual f***??

Barry's comments after the loss to Minny, We are a zone defense

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sport ... 402767002/

don't remember playing such soft zone last year, and Alexander was out almost all of the season, while he says he understands some of the benefits of zone coverage, He prefers man coverage, it's easier because it takes the guess work out of which receiver he'll cover.

what we see i think is players undecided, do I take this receiver, or let him go because he has a trail receiver also that may come here, result two receivers are open.

If you have 3 very capable starting CB's, two very good safety's, and also two ILB's that excel in coverage, why would you ever use a zone scheme, off man allows CB's to also watch the QB, watch in case of run, jump routes, imo in most situations off man is the best coverage, it offers everything zone does minus the head game of the defender wondering which receiver to pick up as they run threw your zone, with a under neath receiver, zone requires to much thinking.

Yoop wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 08:10

Barry's comments after the loss to Minny, We are a zone defense

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sport ... 402767002/

don't remember playing such soft zone last year, and Alexander was out almost all of the season, while he says he understands some of the benefits of zone coverage, He prefers man coverage, it's easier because it takes the guess work out of which receiver he'll cover.

what we see i think is players undecided, do I take this receiver, or let him go because he has a trail receiver also that may come here, result two receivers are open.

If you have 3 very capable starting CB's, two very good safety's, and also two ILB's that excel in coverage, why would you ever use a zone scheme, off man allows CB's to also watch the QB, watch in case of run, jump routes, imo in most situations off man is the best coverage, it offers everything zone does minus the head game of the defender wondering which receiver to pick up as they run threw your zone, with a under neath receiver, zone requires to much thinking.

You might be on to something yooper when you say the zone worked well while we compensated for Jaire being out last year, but that’s doesnt mean it’s best for when Jaire is back. Stokes and Jaire both obviously have the skills and speed to play plenty of man. Trouble could be brewing due not being able to appropriately maximize Jaire. Which is 100% a coaching problem. More talent is always better than less.

I mean we can still be primarily a zone team. We can still be primarily a rush 4 team.

But if you just turn that Man % from 15% - 20% to 35% - 45% we are talking.

And if you occasionally... I don't know SEND A FREAKING BLITZ OR ACTUALLY SEND YOUR ILBs on a Double A Gap blitz rather than bail out every time that the Giants intentionally run a QB draw because they know what you will do....

good lord.

This is probably going to be the most annoyed I have sounded in a while.

I am just so disappointed in the defensive performance after the first two drives. There is way too much talent to get our a$$es handed to us like we did.

I know I'm a homer but holy smokes. I made excuses for them the first 4 weeks but yesterday was just unacceptable. This is teetering on a below 10 unit again with pretty good games and then collapse games.

And this defense is just way too good for that.

go pak go wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 08:28

This is probably going to be the most annoyed I have sounded in a while.

I am just so disappointed in the defensive performance after the first two drives. There is way too much talent to get our a$$es handed to us like we did.

I know I'm a homer but holy smokes. I made excuses for them the first 4 weeks but yesterday was just unacceptable. This is teetering on a below 10 unit again with pretty good games and then collapse games.

And this defense is just way too good for that.

Yeah, just don’t get. With maybe 1 functioning WR, a below average QB who relies on this legs who was hobbled, and a for a majority of time with Saquon Barkley. You go a 4 drive span of giving up 24 points and let them take off about 20 minutes of game clock.

Don’t think ‘just playing man’ is going to fix that, there are bigger issues at foot.

BF004 wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 08:56

go pak go wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 08:28

This is probably going to be the most annoyed I have sounded in a while.

I am just so disappointed in the defensive performance after the first two drives. There is way too much talent to get our a$$es handed to us like we did.

I know I'm a homer but holy smokes. I made excuses for them the first 4 weeks but yesterday was just unacceptable. This is teetering on a below 10 unit again with pretty good games and then collapse games.

And this defense is just way too good for that.

Yeah, just don’t get. With maybe 1 functioning WR, a below average QB who relies on this legs who was hobbled, and a for a majority of time with Saquon Barkley. You go a 4 drive span of giving up 24 points and let them take off about 20 minutes of game clock.

Don’t think ‘just playing man’ is going to fix that, there are bigger issues at foot.

we've always had a weakness defending the run, but they did both run and pass, if ya lock down the pass it makes them more one dimensional, and we can defend the run better, so using more man is a good place to start

The offense is as much as a problem for the defense as anything the D is doing. Defense was on the field so much to start the 2nd half, they were so gassed, nothing was going to work well.

The offense needs to put together drives to give the D some rest. 3 and outs are almost guaranteed points for the other side.

paco wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 09:30

The offense is as much as a problem for the defense as anything the D is doing. Defense was on the field so much to start the 2nd half, they were so gassed, nothing was going to work well.

The offense needs to put together drives to give the D some rest. 3 and outs are almost guaranteed points for the other side.

Our best offensive strategy from halftime until the final drive was hoping that Nixon could land on a fumble.

paco wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 09:30

The offense is as much as a problem for the defense as anything the D is doing. Defense was on the field so much to start the 2nd half, they were so gassed, nothing was going to work well.

The offense needs to put together drives to give the D some rest. 3 and outs are almost guaranteed points for the other side.

Kind of, they only went 3 and out the 1 time in the 2nd half, albeit that was awful. The Giants first 2 drives took up 15:10. That's on the defense.

APB wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 07:14

Playing continuous zone coverage against QBs like Jones - not to mention their depleted WR corps - plays right into their hands. Jones doesn't have the accuracy to consistently place the ball into tight windows nor do his 3rd-5th string WRs have the talent to pull off contested catches consistently. Yet there was Joe Barry permitting those WRs to run free and thus allowing Jones to make easy throws into comfortable windows, marching down the field on long drive after long drive.

I mean, the strength of our secondary is their ability to man-up and smother their opponent for 2-3 seconds thus giving the pass rush time to get home. What Barry is doing schematically goes against what all those high draft picks/FA acquisitions do best. What the actual f***??

Man oh man this franchise sure has had to deal with its share of stupid ass coaches and coordinators over the past decade. Doesn't it always seem like we are a step behind the herd in at least one phase of the game?

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 10:04

Amazing considering they keep dropping the ILB into coverage.

wallyuwl wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 11:31

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 10:04

Amazing considering they keep dropping the ILB into coverage.

Playing off too far, not passing off the coverage correctly, Stokes somehow getting outrun by everyone. If I was another team, I wouldn't call anything different until we found a way to stop it.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 10:04

your probably noticing the same stuff I'am, or even better, imo our problems covering inside slants and crossers is do to opponents running two receivers into the same zones and whomever has coverage in that zone thinking versus reacting to either, I think it's why we see so many open receivers

I keep using words like bewildered, perplexed, and confused when trying to come to terms with my thoughts regarding the 2022 defense and yesterday's PFF scores only add to my bewilderment.

The top 5 scores match what I saw with my own eyes:

1. OLB Preston Smith: 84.6
2. LB De’Vondre Campbell: 80.9
3. DL Kenny Clark: 77.9
4. DL Jarran Reed: 72.8
5. OLB Rashan Gary: 71.2

This means that our 2 OLBs, 2 DTs, and an ILB all had pretty good games. When your front and principal inside linebacker all play pretty well how do you possibly give up 27 points to that not very good Giants' offense?

But then we turn to the bottom 5 scores that also seem to match what I observed yesterday:

1. S Darnell Savage: 30.7
2. CB Rasul Douglas: 33.2
3. LB Quay Walker: 35.4
4. CB Eric Stokes: 43.6
5. DL Dean Lowry: 46.8

Savage has not been very good this season and it may turn out that he just is not ever going to live up to his 1st round billing. Douglas admitted he had a terrible game and Stokes looks like he is in a sophomore slump. I like Walker's speed, but man he is getting killed by PFF. Can 4 of our top 6 coverage guys all be having down years and if so why?

As for Lowry, he is what he is and I thought Slaton outplayed him yesterday with his penetration into the backfield. Wonder if Slaton gets some more snaps going forward or even Wyatt if and when he gets healthy.

Yoop wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 13:35

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 10:04

your probably noticing the same stuff I'am, or even better, imo our problems covering inside slants and crossers is do to opponents running two receivers into the same zones and whomever has coverage in that zone thinking versus reacting to either, I think it's why we see so many open receivers

Honestly the only time we give up yards through the air, which honestly is not very often, is when we have a coverage breakdown or playing prevent defense.

go pak go wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 15:48

Yoop wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 13:35

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

10 Oct 2022 10:04

your probably noticing the same stuff I'am, or even better, imo our problems covering inside slants and crossers is do to opponents running two receivers into the same zones and whomever has coverage in that zone thinking versus reacting to either, I think it's why we see so many open receivers

Honestly the only time we give up yards through the air, which honestly is not very often, is when we have a coverage breakdown or playing prevent defense.

it does seem that way, but zone doesn't equate to prevent even though thats what it looks like

that stat says differently though, both our losses, and the two nail bitters where because we couldn't defend the pass, we held Barkley to 65 or so yrds on the ground, the run hasn't beaten us as much as poor coverage has, what happens when we play a good QB with a host of quality receivers? Joe Barry better get this stuff fixed, and quickly, or we wont even make the play offs.

same with offense, we look like we make everything harder then it has to be, course we all said that before too