Re: Training Camp 2022
Posted: 16 Aug 2022 19:26
Doubs looking to have a little MVS in him. Gets open but has drops.
Still value in stretching the field.
Still value in stretching the field.
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Rodgers, without mentioning names, criticized poor route-running by Doubs, Amari Rodgers and tight end Tyler Davis that contributed to interceptions by backup quarterback Jordan Love in Green Bay’s exhibition loss at San Francisco last Friday night. Doubs, a rookie fourth-round pick, has made splash plays throughout camp but also has an issue with dropped passes.
“You keep dropping the ball, you’re not going to be out there,” Rodgers said. “It’s going to be the most reliable guys that are out there. The preparation and the job responsibility is most important. There’s going to be physical mistakes, like we’ve talked about, but if you’re going out there and dropping the ball and somebody else behind you is in the right spot all the time and catching the ball, that guy’s going to play.”
There’s a fine line between being patient with young players and reaching the point where they need to produce, and Rodgers apparently is nearing that intersection.
“It’s coming up,” Rodgers said. “It really is. We’re going to play our best guys when the season starts. And whoever those guys are, those guys are going to get the reps. It’s the guys I trust the most and the guys the coaches trust the most.”
Right now, that group includes Allen Lazard, Randall Cobb and Sammy Watkins. One bright spot Tuesday, according to Rodgers, was that he thought it was the best practice of camp to date for Watkins, a free-agent pickup.
It’s going to be fascinating this season to see how Rodgers distributes the ball as the Packers replace Davante Adams, who was traded to the Las Vegas Raiders after catching 123 passes for 1,553 yards last season.
Rodgers believes running backs Aaron Jones and A.J. Dillon can each get to 50 receptions his season. Could Rodgers envision a scenario where a handful of players finish between 40 and 60 catches — a true committee approach — while the Packers rely heavily on their running game and defense?
“Yeah, maybe, but I expect there will be a couple that kind of break out from that and have really exceptional seasons,” Rodgers said. “The exciting part is you don’t know who that’s going to be. I feel like (Lazard) is going to be one of them and, after that, it will be interesting.”
Expecting big seasons from Cobb and Watkins seems like a lot to ask considering they’re 31 and 29 years old, respectively.
More help is on the way — rookie wide receiver Christian Watson, a second-round pick, and veteran tight end Robert Tonyan came off the PUP list earlier this week — but the former is a project and the latter is coming off a major knee injury.
That makes it even more imperative that young players such as Doubs and Amari Rodgers expedite their growth process.
Instead, it was Amari Rodgers running, in Aaron Rodgers’ words, a “terrible route” in the game against San Francisco. And it was Doubs dropping a deep ball in the practice with the Saints on what was Rodgers’ best throw of the day.
“It’s good we do it in practice,” Rodgers said. “It’s unfortunately some of the same guys. Repeat mistakes are a problem, so we’ve just got to clean those things up a little bit. The young guys, especially young receivers, we’ve got to be way more consistent. A lot of drops, a lot of bad route decisions, running the wrong route. We’ve got to get better in that area.”
The sooner the better, as far as Rodgers is concerned.
Generally I like your post that the O lacks passion for the game. Individuals have it, Jones, Tonyan, Bakh, Jenkins, Runyan, Lazard, Cobb but as a unit I agree that they do not. Maybe Doubs and Watson have the passion also, hard to know with rookies and last year's rookies.PackerNation wrote: ↑17 Aug 2022 01:49I wasn't happy at all with the offensive showing. Frankly, the Saints D owned the Packers O all day. Had sacks been allowed, the Saints would have had about 9. Drops by WRs, and Tyler Davis looked lost on several plays. The Pack needs Bobby out there in the worst way. Tyler Davis and Deguara are not NFL level TEs. The running game left a lot to be desired. I give the OL a F grade, and the overall offense a D. Aaron was far from perfect as well. I expect better from this unit. Hoping to see much better today. Today reminded of why the offense scored only 10 points against San Fran.
Defense looked good, but not great. Always room for improvement. I liked the energy, Joe Barry keeps that unit up.
I wish LaFleur did the same with the offense. It's the same old same old with the offense. There is just no fire in them. I have to feel like some of that is LaFleur's low key personality. The whole unit is a lower level for energy. Steno is low key as well, so he hasn't brought any energy to the dance. Today was the first day I missed Hackett. Aaron isn't exactly a higher energy guy either. The O sleep walks through the process. This shows on Sundays against good teams. The Packers O gets owned by high energy, good defenses. They have been getting owned all camp by their own D.
I was actually embarrassed of the offense today. Sat next to a Saints fan during part of practice, he could tell I was not pleased.
This was a unacceptable performance. I also am not convinced the special teams unit is all that much better with Bisaccia. I need to see more, and I hope I see more from them come week 1. So far in camp, the days I have been there, not impressive.
Overall I give the whole team a C- for day one of joint practices. Really hope I see some things cleaned up today.
Some here may say I'm being negative. This is a Super Bowl roster, that is the expectation. This team is not getting near Arizona in February unless things get substantially better real fast. The energy of the offense concerns me. It's been a low energy group for a while now. I honestly blame LaFleur.
LaFleur often says after a loss: "It starts with me." Ok, Matt, you tell us why the offense still looks dead on arrival too often. When it matters the O hasn't shown up in the playoffs. Today was more of the same from that too often sleep walking group.
To start the season I hope the starting OL is:
LT- Yosh
LG- Runyan
C- Myers
RG- Tom
RT- Elgton
Those are the five that have a chance of not getting owned by Minnie in week 1. For those of you thinking Dave will be back...keep dreaming.
Let's wake the F up today and hit the grass with a fire. Enough of this crap. This is TitleTown. Let's show this is a team that can bring home a Lombardi. It's been too long.
Good thing is that they have just under four weeks to get things together. Gute gave LaFleur the talent. He needs to produce some hardware this season or dare I say HOT SEAT? That is reality folks. Some of you may need to wake up too. It's Lombardi or bust this season.
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Drj820 wrote: ↑17 Aug 2022 06:54I do like that Rodgers is setting the tone and standard now and calling out poor performance. I will just say it’s a good thing if he does that, then continues to go back to those players so they can make better plays and build confidence. It will be a bad thing if he writes off the players for their mistakes and they basically ride the pine their Rookie year because they “weren’t ready”. I agree with Lupe that we need to accept failure more in the regular season, if it prepares us more for the war that is the playoffs. I would rather Rodgers not win MVP, would rather not have a one seed, if that means losing a couple more games, still winning the division, and going into the playoffs with a deeper roster that has touched the ball and been involved throughout the year
very harsh creticPackerNation wrote: ↑17 Aug 2022 01:49I wasn't happy at all with the offensive showing. Frankly, the Saints D owned the Packers O all day. Had sacks been allowed, the Saints would have had about 9. Drops by WRs, and Tyler Davis looked lost on several plays. The Pack needs Bobby out there in the worst way. Tyler Davis and Deguara are not NFL level TEs. The running game left a lot to be desired. I give the OL a F grade, and the overall offense a D. Aaron was far from perfect as well. I expect better from this unit. Hoping to see much better today. Today reminded of why the offense scored only 10 points against San Fran.
Defense looked good, but not great. Always room for improvement. I liked the energy, Joe Barry keeps that unit up.
I wish LaFleur did the same with the offense. It's the same old same old with the offense. There is just no fire in them. I have to feel like some of that is LaFleur's low key personality. The whole unit is a lower level for energy. Steno is low key as well, so he hasn't brought any energy to the dance. Today was the first day I missed Hackett. Aaron isn't exactly a higher energy guy either. The O sleep walks through the process. This shows on Sundays against good teams. The Packers O gets owned by high energy, good defenses. They have been getting owned all camp by their own D.
I was actually embarrassed of the offense today. Sat next to a Saints fan during part of practice, he could tell I was not pleased.
This was a unacceptable performance. I also am not convinced the special teams unit is all that much better with Bisaccia. I need to see more, and I hope I see more from them come week 1. So far in camp, the days I have been there, not impressive.
Overall I give the whole team a C- for day one of joint practices. Really hope I see some things cleaned up today.
Some here may say I'm being negative. This is a Super Bowl roster, that is the expectation. This team is not getting near Arizona in February unless things get substantially better real fast. The energy of the offense concerns me. It's been a low energy group for a while now. I honestly blame LaFleur.
LaFleur often says after a loss: "It starts with me." Ok, Matt, you tell us why the offense still looks dead on arrival too often. When it matters the O hasn't shown up in the playoffs. Today was more of the same from that too often sleep walking group.
To start the season I hope the starting OL is:
LT- Yosh
LG- Runyan
C- Myers
RG- Tom
RT- Elgton
Those are the five that have a chance of not getting owned by Minnie in week 1. For those of you thinking Dave will be back...keep dreaming.
Let's wake the F up today and hit the grass with a fire. Enough of this crap. This is TitleTown. Let's show this is a team that can bring home a Lombardi. It's been too long.
Good thing is that they have just under four weeks to get things together. Gute gave LaFleur the talent. He needs to produce some hardware this season or dare I say HOT SEAT? That is reality folks. Some of you may need to wake up too. It's Lombardi or bust this season.
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Ok good, then I think we can safely say the o-line will improve just by his addition.
This is a really interesting point that I hadn't considered when Hackett left; we are not left with many guys on the O side with that kind of enthusiastic energy to fire us up. It leaves a bit of a void. The D has had guys like Gary and Douglas stepping up and being vocal, not to mention D-Coord himself. 'Teams has Biasccia.PackerNation wrote: ↑17 Aug 2022 01:49It's the same old same old with the offense. There is just no fire in them. I have to feel like some of that is LaFleur's low key personality. The whole unit is a lower level for energy. Steno is low key as well, so he hasn't brought any energy to the dance. Today was the first day I missed Hackett. Aaron isn't exactly a higher energy guy either. The O sleep walks through the process. This shows on Sundays against good teams. The Packers O gets owned by high energy, good defenses. They have been getting owned all camp by their own D.
Plural rookies; Rodgers talked to "a couple" of young guys who "are rookies." Watson hasn't been out there. Sounds like Rodgers is talking to Doubs and Toure about mental mistakes.I had a conversation with a couple of the young guys about the standard we’re going to hold them to. They are rookies, but they’re NFL players and what’s been on film hasn’t been good enough as of yet. There’s been some splash plays, but there’s been a lot of mistakes.